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Book: Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days / Review @pg8

The authors better make whatever changes necessary before printing or they will see their potential profits shrink.

This female came to the memorial as the bodyguard's (whichever one I do not know) guest; not the family's, not Michael's children. There was a gap between Michael's passing and their termination. Interesting they would continue contact with her (and she with them) and not Michael's children. Have they kept contact with Michael's children that they love?

Ashtanga said:
[and the worst and most tragic... Know about his finances :doh: :wtf2 and bla bla bla..... Why the hell we have to know about it? :busted: :doh: :sigh:
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I agree with your post. I do not understand why some fans have ignored the publicizing of Michael's finances. The bodyguard who stated he saw Michael's financials had absolutely NO authority to view those documents and discuss them publicly as he was NOT handling Michael's finances.

Ashtanga said:
The desire to dissect, dig more and find out what happened and what did not happen in the private life of Michael will continue to be assisted/discussed with much curiosity by people as a spectacle of entertainment. :sigh: Those who are curious will buy these books and spend neurons to dissect, dig, find out if it's a lie, if it is true and bla bla bla... :smilerolleyes: :fear: Who do not give a damn about these kinds of books and these people will ignore and move on with life. :coffee:
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Indeed, all for other's entertainment no matter how violated Michael's privacy is. If this happened to anyone personally, I doubt such a book would be supported. Instead, the betrayal is Michael's (and his children) and it is acceptable. Mind-boggling. It is unfortunate when it is Michael, everything is rationalized if it means one will be selfishly entertained.
 
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"the body guard described her as "This woman was drop-dead gorgeous. She had dark, curly hair that sort of hung in her face a bit. Petite, about five foot four. Nice body. Real slender. "

Grace was around during the time period that the bodyguard's describe and she fits the description, too.

I'm bringing this up again, because after Paris Jackson's deposition, I wonder if the bodyguard's cast former Nanny Grace in a favorable light. Which then makes you wonder if there isn't a relationship, whether financial or otherwise, with the two bodyguard's and the ghost writer. Just things that make you go hmmm.

I mean who was feeding Roger Friedman his information during the time period, that coincides with the bodyguard's. Yet, nothing came out except former Nanny Grace and Michael and her power over him, according to the salacious headlines and story line!
 
I will not be buying this book at all i am so fed up with ppls talking about Michael private life the man is gone let him rest in peace. I have so many beautiful meomries that will last me a life time my goal is to think postive now enough is enough. Michael was a kind and sweet loving person he gave all that he can he love everybody it didn't matter the color of your skin he love you anyway i am proud to be a fan of Michael Jackson he has change my life in so many ways now i am The Man In The Mirror i can make a change and make this world a better place to live in Michael show us that we can do it. I was reading a story of a young lady who met Michael through the Make A Wish Foundation she was very ill and as i was reading her story tears just fell from my eyes she had talk about all of the wonderful things that Michael did for her and her family and ppls around the world it touch my heart in a way i never felt before she said it was like magic and when she huge Michael she was so happy i could see the smile in her face she got the chance to meet Michael Jackson. My goal now is to help in anyway i can to keep Michael's legacy and his dreams alive we as his fans can make that happen.


Sorry if it feel i was vent here but when i saw this thread about another book was coming out on Michael i had to scream please forgive me
 
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I bring up Mark Lester as a classic example of someone who is a personal friend of Michael and choose to exploit that friendship.

Mark Lester was correct in describing Michael as shy. This was a truth.




Mark Lester decided to exploit this fact about Michael hoping to cash in on whatever stuck. Arnold Klein told a similar story about Michael wanting sperm, too.

Again, another personal friend who exploited Michael Jackson. Does it ever end!


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^^If you complain about the bodyguards exploiting and exposing Micahel's private love life, you defeat the whole purpose by posting female photos and giving ideas about who the love interests could be. You can't say it is wrong for the bodyguards to mention the women and then make posts trying to figure out who the individuals are.
 
AliCat, that is one view. I believe you can continue if you like. I have seen many hypocritical posts in other areas of the forum and when alerted, it continued so, no true issue here.
 
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I put this excerpt here, FYI:


Bill: That’s how I started to feel in the months after it happened, but it took me a while to get there. Right after he died, there was about a week before the memorial at the Staples Center. I was in touch with a woman from AEG, because they were handling the arrangements. I told her that I needed tickets for me and Javon. Then, maybe two days before the ceremony, we were getting ready to head out and I got a call. I answered, and there was this woman crying on the other end of the phone. She said, “Bill, it’s Joanna.”


Joanna? I didn’t know any Joanna. I said, “Who?”


She said, “Bill, it’s me. Joanna. It’s Friend.”


Oh. Friend. From Virginia. I said, “Hey, how you doing?”


She just kept crying. She said, “Bill, I must see Michael. I must say good-bye to him. Can you please help me, Bill?”


She started begging me to help get her into the memorial. She didn’t call it that, though. She had that thick Eastern European accent, and her English was just okay. She didn’t know the word for memorial. She kept calling it a “show.” She said, “Bill, I must go to show.” But there was no way for her to get in. Mr. Jackson had kept her a secret from everyone. There was no one else for her to contact. Nobody knew who she was. She just kept saying, “Bill, please ! You must get me in!” I didn’t know what I could do. I told her I’d call her back. Then I called Javon and told him what was up.



Javon: I didn’t want to go. By that point, I was so frustrated. I’d been seeing all of these articles in the newspapers and all the shows on TV. Everything was Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson. It was to the point where Dancing with the Stars would be on and they’d ask the contestants, “How do you feel about Michael Jackson passing?”


I was fine with the people who just said, “Well, he was a great
entertainer and we’ll never forget his music.” That didn’t bother
me. But I couldn’t stand all the celebrities coming out of the woodwork,
trying to act like they were his best friends, like they were
talking to him on a daily basis. People would say stuff like, “Yeah,
I was chilling with Michael about a year ago . . . ” And I’d just stare
at the TV like, No, you weren’t. I was with him the whole time,
and you weren’t there.”


I knew this funeral was going to be fake. I didn’t want to be
around the fakeness. I knew I wouldn’t be able to keep my composure.
I told Bill, “If I go, I’ll hurt somebody. For real.” I wanted to
pay my respects and have my one-on-one time with Mr. Jackson,
but I knew it wasn’t going to be like that. I was already apprehensive
about it when Bill called about Friend. So I said, “Bill, you go
and represent us and give my ticket to her. She should be there.”
Bill said, “Are you sure?”


I said, “Yeah, I’m sure.”
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mkgenie;3990694 said:
I put this excerpt here, FYI:
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The bodyguards invited themselves to Michael’s memorial through AEG and not the family. I will assume that was protocol for former employees.

This person, assigned to Michael by the bodyguards through this book, invites herself to Michael’s memorial through the same bodyguard that had access to Michael’s financial records. Shall I assume Michael gave this particular bodyguard’s contact information to this person for use in case of emergency? The only link to Michael is the bodyguards.
 
If you mean by mentioning former Nanny Grace being a part of those who have exploited Michael. There is no double standard.

No calling the kettle black, that to me sounds like a cop out!
 
Tygger said:
AliCat, that is one view. I believe you can continue if you like. I have seen many hypocritical posts in other areas of the forum and when alerted, it continued so, no true issue here.
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There seems to be some kind of an agenda going on and it surrounds the selling of a book. How dare I point out the glaring hypocrisy of those who exploited Michael Jackson for a buck. Let the Circus keep spinning then!

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Bodyguards are doing just like everybody else writing a book about Michael Jackson and hope the ppls will read just to hear more private things about his life so sad.

Setting the record staight can't believe that.
 
AliCat said:
I bring up Mark Lester as a classic example of someone who is a personal friend of Michael and choose to exploit that friendship.

Mark Lester was correct in describing Michael as shy. This was a truth


Mark Lester decided to exploit this fact about Michael hoping to cash in on whatever stuck. Arnold Klein told a similar story about Michael wanting sperm, too.

Again, another personal friend who exploited Michael Jackson. Does it ever end!


NO it will never end.
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MKgenie That piece you quoted above is very touching. I could actually feel the emotions involved there. I agree about the friends coming out of the woodwork claiming to be with Michael since we witnessed all that. The problem is when you keep someone a secret, if you die the person is usually left out of the burial ceremonies because no one knows about the person. I guess under these circumstances it is hard to get closure. A lot of fans went through the same thing, where by their fan activities they were heavily involved in Michaeling; and when he died, none of them got tickets to view the body and say good bye, so in a way I could understand this woman's anguish. By the way if James Brown's body was viewed, why didn't they allow the viewing of Michael's body?
 
Michael recorded the song, "Hold My Hand" at the Palms Hotel. There is a state of the art recording studio located within the hotel.

According to the owner of the Palms Hotel in Las Vegas, Michael stayed at the Palms Hotel for 4 months. That would be November of 2007 to March of 2008.

George Maloof the owner of the Palms said that Michael had been living on Monte Cristo Way. Which by the way was 2785 South Monte Cristo Way Las Vegas and the bodyguard's say Michael hated living there. The home at 2785 South Monte Cristo Way was leased for 6 month's, which would be correct, as Michael had moved out of another rental, which was the one he leased, starting December 23, 2006.

It sounds like Michael moved out before his lease was up at the home on Monte Cristo Way.

I posted that Michael rented a beautiful home in Virginia for nine day's, back in 2004.

Also, Michael spent some time in New York City, in the fall of 2007, to shoot photo's for Italian Vogue and Ebony. Which is where thick Eastern European accented, Rushka Bergman, was Michael's stylist.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ka...l-jacksons-artistic-differences-while-record/
 
Majestik too said something similar to what these men say. That he got a call from a woman who begged him to take her friend to the funeral and that she really needed that. He fixed for her to get there. He also took Tatiana to the funeral.

The woman I have on my Facebook has dark curly hair hanging down her face at some photos. But she doesn't claim anything. But she knew Michael because I've seen photos of them together. She is pretty young too, in 30s I think. Well, maybe that isn't young for some ;)

But I think that no woman can change anyone's mind about Michael being gay, it doesn't matter if several women came forward. Those who think he's gay will always think that. Same with the other claim, I can't even write it.
 
2007 Michael lived in Las Vegas, in 3 different homes, as has been established.

Michael left in July of 2007, for the Washington D.C. area, it's where his former manager/publicist Raymone Bain had a home.

Michael was involved in a lawsuit with former manager, Dieter Weisner. Michael went to the law offices of Venable LLP, "to give a deposition in the $30 million lawsuit brought by his former manager, Dieter Wiesner. He was accompanied by two burly bodyguards and an attorney, William Mundell, of California. Wiesner and his partner Ronald Konitzer, you may recall, were referred to as "the Germans" in Jackson's child molestation case by Janet Arvizo."

According to another article - "He's back!!! Or is it possible Michael Jackson has been quietly lurking in our region ever since his early-a.m. Smithsonian tour last week?"

It sounds like Michael went to the Washington D.C. area about the third week in July and stayed till the end of July. Michael took his 3 children to the Smithsonian Institute and it sounds like Michael went there to do the deposition.

A columnist in Las Vegas, a Norm Clarke, wrote this on July 4, 2007 -
"At the time, when I asked Jackson's Washington, D.C.-based spokeswoman, Raymone Bain, about rumors that he (Michael Jackson) was planning to leave Las Vegas, she said she wasn't aware of "any plans to leave."
As in moving from Las Vegas to the Washington D.C. area, whether Maryland or Virginia.

Another interesting tidbit was this -
"As for why the depositions had to take place in Washington, Mundell (Michael's attorney) wrote in an early motion to the court: "Mr. Jackson is not just relaxing in the Washington, DC area. He is busy working on several important projects." The lawyer may have said this to protect Michael with the Court, because some articles were saying Michael didn't go to Los Angeles to deal with this particular lawsuit, the week before or mid July of 2007.

So Michael was in the Washington D.C. area for a week, possibly a week and a half.

I just don't see much in the way for a romance to bloom. If a woman calls up the bodyguard's and she mentions "Virginia" to be remembered by, it sounds preposterous that a blooming romance was budding!
http://www.reviewjournal.com/norm-clarke/michael-jackson-waving-goodbye

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/27/AR2007072700674.html


 
Yes, the timeline is confusing...

I thought I remember reading somewhere... at some point... that it was during the fall of 2007 that he stayed in Virginia? Is that not so? And not for such a short stay either.

Is it possible he met his special friend earlier on, and it was later arranged for her to visit while he was staying in Virginia because that was a convenient place and time to get together?

From the way it is worded in the quote from the book, I didn't read it as she identified herself as the girl in Virginia, but Bill, once she said "I'm friend," either said or thought to himself basically, oh yeah, the one that we met while staying in "Virginia." That was the "connection" for him.

So it is possible that MJ and she may have been already close before the Virginia getaway.

Who knows? *shrugs*

(Where's Ash, she's gonna be all mad at me for gettin all into MJ's private biz. :eek: :lol: )
 
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Lisha said:
(Where's Ash, she's gonna be all mad at me for gettin all into MJ's private biz. :eek: :lol: )
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What I had to say in this thread I said. ;D Maybe I'm not a normal fan because I'm not obsessed with the private life of Michael. :busted: I prefer to leave aside these questions because it is not my business to discuss/dig about what happened and did not happen in the private life of Michael and bla bla bla..... -_- :nono:
For that to be honest it makes no sense a fan to know the timeline of the private life of Michael. :bugeyed:wtf2 Why do we have to know? :unsure: :scratch:But OK :fear: .... people are free to discuss about whatever you want.

But I'll be watching this thread :horror and just watching how far will the curiosity of fans....:ph34r:
 
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^ Yeah, true..*sigh back* I guess I'm too shallow. :(

There is some quote out there which speaks about levels of intelligence and those who discuss "people" is down at the bottom. What was a higher level? Discussing "ideas", was it?

I suppose it's obvious where I fall...



P.S. At least I have the satisfaction of MJ having been described more than once as being a big gossip, haha. Although, he may have grown out of that over the years. :)
 
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Petrarose said:
MKgenie That piece you quoted above is very touching. I could actually feel the emotions involved there. I agree about the friends coming out of the woodwork claiming to be with Michael since we witnessed all that. The problem is when you keep someone a secret, if you die the person is usually left out of the burial ceremonies because no one knows about the person. I guess under these circumstances it is hard to get closure. A lot of fans went through the same thing, where by their fan activities they were heavily involved in Michaeling; and when he died, none of them got tickets to view the body and say good bye, so in a way I could understand this woman's anguish. By the way if James Brown's body was viewed, why didn't they allow the viewing of Michael's body?
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James did not have small children. It would not have been good for them to be constantly bombarded with pics of there Dad in his casket.
 
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It would not have been good for them to be constantly bombarded with pics of there Dad in his casket.
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Especially since Prince and Paris were bombarded with links to a TMZ article that had a picture of their father on the autopsy table. That was bad enough.
 
PurdyYungThang84 said:
I think many fans are turning a "1+1=2" sort of situation into rocket science lol. Michael was a single father, is it THAT unimaginable that he was lonely for companionship and started dating around a little? Is he not allowed to? Maybe he met with them in a hotel room for privacy for some adult time away from his kids. Maybe he didn't want his children interrupting them while they were getting to know each other. Maybe they were making out or even (gaaaasp) HAVING SEX and he didn't want to risk his kids having a nightmare, walking in looking for their father to comfort them only to walk in on their dad sharing an intimate moment with a woman he's dating. All of these things happen and are considered when dating, especially in the case of single parents.

Why is the idea of Michael dating such a horror for so many fans lol??? Why is the idea of Michael dating such a threat to him being a gentleman or a decent person? Honestly, what is so unbelievable about any of it? Unless you happen to view Michael as either a eunuch or a child, I just can't wrap my head around the uproar. It sort of gets under my skin how some fans totally forbid Michael from the possibility of engaging in romantic, possibly sexually active relationships with women. Dating a few women makes him a "manslut" and shatters the ideal of him being a good man? That simply does not compute. He was human, he was a straight man that always lamented on his loneliness. But he apparently does what is typically acceptable for a single man that's dating to do (I imagine respectfully so), and this just won't fly with some fans. He wasn't spotted acting crazy in a strip club or picking up ladies of the night lol. THAT kind of stuff is understandably subject to a side-eye. But just dating??? Other than it simply being a juicy fun fact about his private hours, I just can't grasp why some fans are getting so bent out of shape about it. Seems like his fans, the very ones that love him so intensely, still refuse to let Michael live a life of his own... :unsure:
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Thank you

Amaya said:
Lester is yet another opportunist. To me, him saying that Michael was too shy comes across as a means of making his claim of being Paris' father sound more legit. Because if Michael was too shy there's NO WAY he could've made a baby with a woman! :smilerolleyes: I say ignore him.



Whoa, whoa, whoa... where did this thing about Michael smoking come from? :blink: And what was he smoking? Cigarettes? Weed?

As for Michael having women in his life, I think he reached a point where he just said "**** it" and started dating around, possibly even sleeping around. As much as I despise pig-headed behavior like that in a man, I think he earned it. With all the shit he had to put up with in his life I wouldn't blame him at all if he had let himself go.
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Completely agree with what you said. Michael went through so much in his life that he totally deserved it.
The reason Michael kept his women a secret is due to the general public and some 'fans' who refused to let him live his own life.
It was his life, he was a grown man in his late 40's even 50, so what if he went out and sought companionship with women? He was a divorced single father of three, he was allowed to date women. He seemed lonely, there is only this much on can take. I see nothing wrong in Michael spending nights at a Hampton Inn with a woman of his choice, who may or may not have been special to him. He was allowed to drink, cuss, smoke, have sexual desires and urges and yes- even have premarital sex.
I hope whoever he was with made him happy, and brought him happiness at the point. I will never hold Michael using his penis against him, just because it doesn't fit into whatever perception I may or may not have of him.

As for the casket thing, I am glad it wasn't open - I am glad for selfish reasons and he had young children, like someone said they were being tweeted autopsy pictures of him while they were barely 12/13 - there is reason his daughter couldn't handle the pressure.


Anyways, what I really wanted to say is that though I absolutely love reading little tidbits of Mike's everyday life I still have some reservations when it comes to this book. Granted it seems positive and definitely seems to be one of the 'better' books regarding Mike, but the thing is Mike was stripped every ounce of dignity and privacy throughout his life especially during the 2005 trial and later on after his death especially during the two after trials. His own mother robbed him the last ounce of privacy he had when she brought up the AEG lawsuit, and Mike always fought hard to keep some amount of it. It just seems unfair toward him in some way, but that is my opinion I am not going to force it down anyone's throat.

While I will not be buying this book, I will be reading the tidbits posted on forums though it does contradict what I said above.
 
Ashtanga, there are lots of websites that give timelines of Michael's life through the year's.

We even did one on this very website, day by day.

Because I question the validity of the bodyguard's is why I did the timeline. Besides, I left out quite a bit of info during the time period surrounding his trip to Washington D.C. to do the deposition involving his lawsuit with Deiter Weisner. Some of those articles get into some weird crap about how Michael was moving to Maryland or Virginia just to get away from his family. There was all this talk about Michael being on drug's. Jermaine even got in on that one. At least I gave a fair and honest account about what probably really happened, without all the salacious gossip.

Roger Friedman was having a field day with his crazy stories. I'm really surprised he didn't have any stories about secret girlfriends. I think he just had some thing going on with Frank Cascio and a new album, which Eddie was more involved with.
 
Can somebody tell me what was the time frame these two were Michael's bodyguards?
 
thank you for all your opinion and reviews and honestly I'm not sure if I will buy the book, but it is nice to see that there were women that could date Michael and be discreet about it and also it is beautiful to see Michael as a father:)
 
I have purchased a lot of books about MJ, and in each one, there are things that are backed up by facts and things that seem to be simply opinion. I probably will wait and read some reviews before deciding to purchase the book.
 
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