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BAD25 - The Announcement We Have All Been Waiting For [General Discussion]

If the estate wants to promote a song and have it be a huge success, and launch it to the top of the charts (like the Elivis song), they can do so with some of MJ's more recent stuff (Blue Gangsta, Slave, etc). I'm almost willing to bet any one of those two songs could storm up the dance charts.

The fact that a 25 year old song, with a demo attached to it, hit number 1...again...is amazing. It shows just how much of a force MJ still can have on the music charts. We should be celebrating this accomplishment right now. I for one, hope all the original Bad singles are re-released...and I would LOVE to see the fans get them all to number one...and hell...let's break the original Bad album record for 5 number 1 singles...and go for 6.
 
I don't know where all this worry about the charts is coming from. Who cares? We should be happy with quality releases that sell well. I want to listen to good music. Michael's music. How he left it. I couldn't care less if he has a #1 single ever again. He isn't here anymore. Let's just enjoy what he left us. People will always find Michael. He made sure of that. He doesn't need the latest producers hacking up his songs in a desperate attempt to stay current and appeal to todays audiences. Most chart hits today are disposable rubbish pushed down our throats by record companies.
 
Memefan said:
I understand you point. And believe it or not, my own opinion is a lot closer to yours than others here.

@Serendipity, let's be honest...the Thriller 25 remixes were not very good. MJ has better remixes on BOTDF than anything on the Thriller 25 album. Had MJ really put himself into that project, I think the result would have had a far bigger chart/sale impact.
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And Afrojack remix of Bad is good? Or better than Thriller 25 remixes?
 
Even when Michael was around he couldn't get most of his songs to #1. In his has last 2 decades he had only 2 #1 hits and 4 other top 10 hits. What does that mean? Getting a #1 single is very difficult and great songs don't necessarily make it to the top. What really matters is the overall sales, popularity and the longevity of the songs. Charts are nothing more than statistics. If you go by the Billboard Hot 100, Michael's greatest song was 'Say Say Say' :)
 
Memefan said:
And you have to keep in mind, Elvis didn't create his music, others did it for him. So it is much easier for his fans & public to accept someone else playing / tweaking the work he left behind...whereas MJ had control over everything.
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That's what I wanted to say. With Elvis it's a bit different because he was just a performer. He did not write his songs, he did not produce them, he just performed them. But Michael always had his own vision about how a song should sound and I don't like it when that gets tempered with. I couldn't care less for remixes, to be honest. That's someone else's vision of a Michael song, not Michael's and they are usually much worse than the original.

And I disagree that remixes are the only way to keep up someone's legacy. And Elvis' legacy isn't kept up because of that remix either. He would still be Elvis if that remix had never been done. That would not change much about his status.

Also, it's not like Elvis' Estate released successful remix after successful remix in each year since his death. They just found a hit 25 years after his death. Someone eventually will make a successful MJ remix in the next 25 years, but that doesn't mean from now on the Estate should try to release all MJ songs remixed according to the current trends.
 
Karthik said:
Even when Michael was around he couldn't get most of his songs to #1. In his has last 2 decades he had only 2 #1 hits and 4 other top 10 hits. What does that mean? Getting a #1 single is very difficult and great songs don't necessarily make it to the top. What really matters is the overall sales, popularity and the longevity of the songs. Charts are nothing more than statistics. If you go by the Billboard Hot 100, Michael's greatest song was 'Say Say Say' :)
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Yeah, Michael was always rather an albums artist than a singles artist.
 
Even when Michael was around he couldn't get most of his songs to #1. In his has last 2 decades he had only 2 #1 hits and 4 other top 10 hits. What does that mean? Getting a #1 single is very difficult and great songs don't necessarily make it to the top. What really matters is the overall sales, popularity and the longevity of the songs. Charts are nothing more than statistics. If you go by the Billboard Hot 100, Michael's greatest song was 'Say Say Say' :)
 
The reason the WBSS '08 and TGIM '08 singles didn't do very well is because they weren't very good. It's as simple as that.
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That's true! And if the estate can make a good remix, I'll be more than happy! Fans are just like the general public: if the remix is good, they'll listen to it. But the thing is, the remixes they've released so far are not that good. If they haven't come up yet with the golden remix that can dominate the charts, then why bother releasing the crappy remixes in the meantime? The general public will not be more interested in these than the fans. Both are only interested in remixes if they're at least as good as the original song. I'd rather have only one amazing remix on the album and 9 demos than 5 very average remixes and 5 demos.

With Elvis it's a bit different because he was just a performer. He did not write his songs, he did not produce them, he just performed them. But Michael always had his own vision about how a song should sound and I don't like it when that gets tempered with. I couldn't care less for remixes, to be honest. That's someone else's vision of a Michael song, not Michael's and they are usually much worse than the original.
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And this is the reason why most remixes suck. For a remix to be as good as the original song, it has to be made by someone who is as talented as Michael was. So how many people are up to the task?
 
Karthik said:
Even when Michael was around he couldn't get most of his songs to #1. In his has last 2 decades he had only 2 #1 hits and 4 other top 10 hits.:)
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But the US is not everything. He has othter number hit`s in big countries of Europe. Earth song, TDCAU, BODF for example.
 
WBSS2008 had Akon on it, that automaticly makes it a bad track!
 
djvernon said:
WBSS2008 was an Akon track (too much Akon), I don't like it.
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I love it. In my opinion it is great. The best from Thriller 25. It is also special because it is one of 3 last Michael Jackson tracks (released, of course). Other 2 being Hold My Hand & Best Of Joy. Those are the only songs that we have from that era!
 
WBSS2008 and Hold my Hand are amazing track. New Era MJ for what we thought was yet to come....the plan never finished.
 
OnirMJ said:
Elvis died in 1977. A Little Less Conversation (JXL remix) was released in 2002. That was 25th anniversary of his death. That remix was really great and that is very rare. Also promotion for that single was huge, great video + it was used for a 2002 World Cup advertising campaign, Nike commercial with some of the greatest footballers in the world. Lots of things coincided for that song to become #1 hit in UK and most of Europe, although it was only #50 hit in US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkCyWOR5LTU

If MJ Estate can do something like this, that would be great, but I doubt they will. We all know that they are very cheap when it comes to promotion.
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agree. the elvis song was a hit because it was used in a t.v advert and was everywhere.if it had just been released with none of the above then who knows if it would have done anything. unless u get a new mj remix that is usef to promote the second biggest sporting event in the world.included in a massive advertising campaign you cant really compair
 
I said all tracks ft Akon are bad, so yes, I also consider hold my hand a bad track.
If running bad vocals through an autotune machine makes you a good artist nowadays, then I really don't know what is going to happen next in music.

I never understood Michael working together with "artists" like Akon or the black eyed peas, knowing he always had such high standards for working with anyone.
 
OnirMJ said:
A lot better. WBSS 2008 & Billie Jean (Remix) are great in my opinion. The Girl Is Mine 2008 is also very good.
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I really like The Girl is Mine and WBSS. I think they both sound great, and I really don't understand why they get so hated on.
 
Just to clear up a misconception - Elvis was in fact very involved in his recordings. Most of the time he was in fact the arranger and producer on his sessions.
 
Does anyone know what will be available to purchase in the digital form ? I tend to buy downloads nowadays rather than discs, I'm sure the album will be available as a download but not sure about the Wembley DVD.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
agree. the elvis song was a hit because it was used in a t.v advert and was everywhere.if it had just been released with none of the above then who knows if it would have done anything. unless u get a new mj remix that is usef to promote the second biggest sporting event in the world.included in a massive advertising campaign you cant really compair
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Exactly. And if you look at the charts; the song was #1 hit in UK, and top 10 hit in most of European countries, but in US it peaked only at #50. That's because football is not so popular in US and in Europe it is most popular sport. I remember people were going crazy for that commercial, everybody was talking about it, we even started playing football in cages. When you have all that stars in 1 commercial and just before World Cup, it has to become a huge hit. Without that things would be very different.

One more thing, it was 25th anniversary of his death and the FIRST authorized remix by the Elvis Presley Estate. First remix in 25 years!
 
WildStyle said:
I don't know where all this worry about the charts is coming from. Who cares? We should be happy with quality releases that sell well. I want to listen to good music. Michael's music. How he left it. I couldn't care less if he has a #1 single ever again. He isn't here anymore. Let's just enjoy what he left us. People will always find Michael. He made sure of that. He doesn't need the latest producers hacking up his songs in a desperate attempt to stay current and appeal to todays audiences. Most chart hits today are disposable rubbish pushed down our throats by record companies.
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Well-said. Oh, another thing, "He doesn't need the latest producers hacking up his songs" when some of them are just in it for their own benefits, for the MJ effect to get their names out there.
As for some fans hoping to see as many #1s as possible again, I understand where they're coming from, tho, to a certain extent.
 
ivy said:
no one knows the exact date for it. but it was told that it will come in a week. So it could be today, tomorrow, monday.
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Regarding what exactly? Sorry I just didn't keep up. Spike Lee doc?
 
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