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A email I got 4 days before he passed

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"why cant we speculate ?? we should be able to discuss these things?? isnt this a free world?? you close every thread we open, you should let us discuss. It is a discussion board."
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hypocritical bunch of moaners
 
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I'm becoming concerned about fans who seem not to want to really know what happened to Michael, and I really don't understand it. . . . . . Media reports have always been sketchy/unreliable when it came to Michael. They still are. This is an avenue worth investigating, and I hope some journalist does just that. If there is a chance this is the truth. . .and I think there IS. . .is that not much better than "Michael was a drug-addict?" I mean, seriously?[/QUOTE]

Of course I would like to truth to come out, but I don't believe it ever will. Only one person can tell us the the real truth and he is no longer with us :(
Sorry, I will agree to disagree with you guys. I think posting this email is disrespectful to the original writer and to Michael, it was not supposed to be shared publicly and there were other ways of making worries known, it should have happened while he was still alive, what good can it do him now? People will choose what they want to believe from what the media tells them. We know the true side of many of the stories that have been told about him, but the lies prevail. I don't think this will do any good to his memory at all.
 
It's an eye opening heart wrenching e-mail to read. There was a time when I felt a bad vibe and didn't think MJ was quite up to doing his 02 concert fully. But I kept my mouth shut.
There was also a time when I said after the court was finished, that Michael was like a beautiful Arabian stallion, full of life, energy and spirit. When the court finished, it was if that stallion we once knew, was broken hearted and no longer.

They took his love of children, his home, his dreams, fantasies and all that he held onto as life for himself and destroyed it all for him.

Remember what he said on 60 mintues? If I didn't have children around me I wouldn't want to live? I would never harm a child.
 
I think that at this point some people are not reading the entire thread. Most of your concerns have had responses already. If you don't like the responses, or don't agree, that is your right. Please try very hard, though, not to interfere with those who think this is important, however tardy you may think it is.

Thank you.

Vic
 
Maybe Michael wanted to keep his medical situation out from the public. He needed his fans to see him in another light...the same as we have seem him during these years. That might have given him hope or something...that there were people who believed in the dream with him. We wanted to keep him as perfect as possible...media did not want him to change. That I suppose is normal with icons...they live forever...

Michael Jackson at the end of the day was a product, brand almost. The real Michael got older and had problems like we all do...some fans saw this Michael, some did not....
 
prismsagainst5live said:
i am going to reserve judgement until autopsy is back and then take all this evidence and see if there is any kind of correlation. The way some of you are talking is that it is now totally known that mj had anorexia, im going to wait on that. See what weight autospy says he was.
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I'm afraid the report will say it was propofol end of story. Best case they will make the doctor culpable. But that's not the whole story...I don't want people to be blamed and suffer but knowing more of the truth will open up eyes and minds in the future...it may help in the future not to repeat history...
 
crisa i understand but im gonna need more than this email before i can say mj was deadly thin. I do hope the autopsy will include a summary of his physical condition like his weight. Then i will have some corroborating evidence. I want to get to the truth no matter how painful it is to take. Not everything is available yet so I have to reserve judgement, i accept this as a information to be included in the analysis.
 
MJJChichi said:
bottom line, there are people responsible for Michael's passing. People who pressured him into a corner and they need to be held accountable. Whether their part was action against him or NON action that led to his death. How does a man with all these bags full of prescription medication that were hauled out of his home ... how do those meds not enter into the results of a complete physical ?? How does someone taking numerous prescription medications pass with flying colors ?? If you are on medication, there is an ailment for them to have been administered. AEG had to know there were conditions that limited him. Question is, did they even care if he was able to do the shows ?? Why did they have numerous insurance policies out on him ?? How did they get those policies if he was ailing ?? What actions did they take to secure said policies ?? What were they willing to do, in order to make sure the policies were approved and in place ?? Once the insurance was in order and their ass was covered ten fold ... Michael was worth just as much dead, than if he actually performed the gig.

The truth is out there, does anyone care to delve into it ?? Or is it more important to post every god damn news article ten times over on a forum ??
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I am totally with you on this. I want to know what and or who did this to Michael. I personally believe it was for the damn money, selfish, greed bas***ds!!!
 
none of this helps though does it. it just upsets everyone even more that as normal fans couldnt help him and get to him like with weisner etc. mj looked at the begining of the tour like he does at the end (ie skinny after losing weight) so how he would look after 50 shows well ....
 
What I wonder is, if the situation was so alarming... why was the message only meant for the 'followers'????? Why only for that 'inner circle' of fans who got to see him up close?

Why not ring the alarm bell big time? And yes, threads about his health have been deleted here. But there are more outings. This could have been an opportunity to make use of media. Not by leaking, but to stand up as a group and make a statement and following through.

This is not meant as an accusation, just one of the zillion questions running through my head all the time...
 
athina_livadi said:
This is bullshit, shame on you for posting this...
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Pls people...I used to be like this...I was a fan from afar, dismissing everything and trying to convince myself Michael was fine, a superhuman....He was at some point until people destroyed him..then I became a fan who started to learn and see certain things...and was in LA...I learnt that you should not dismiss what fans say (90% of what they say it's true), while only 10% of what media and so called MJ friends on TV say it's true...
Please open your eyes, don't shut down fans, be patient and think straight how we can help his legacy and the TRUTH, however painful...
 
I KNOW now that people aren't reading the whole thread. I'll say it again, and others have said it. The autopsy report and tox-report will likely NOT tell the whole story. The drugs and propofol are clearly what the "powers that be" want the public to believe. If that is the result, the report will not be able to determine when they were administered. Why do you believe what you hear/see on media? I really don't know why you do. . .if anything, the trial-coverage should have indicated that media are out to sell stories and are not to be trusted.

This is what the report will NOT tell us.

When the drugs, if any, were administered.
What the doctor was doing as he delayed calling 911. (cleaning something up?)
Why the reports of fans (and not just those of the email above) and the reports of those connected to the concerts were different, concerning Michael's physical condition.

I have a few questions. Do you or do you not want to know what really happened to Michael? If you do not, why not? Or maybe you think only "authorities" have the truth? Such as.. who? LAPD? Nancy Grace? Larry King? AEG CEO's? What about the FANS, who had no financial agenda. . . . . . .
 
So how did Michael pass a physical, if he was in this condition? Good question. . . .
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maybe the physical was done around december. it wouldnt have been recent

What I wonder is, if the situation was so alarming... why was the message only meant for the 'followers'????? Why only for that 'inner circle' of fans who got to see him up close?

Why not ring the alarm bell big time? And yes, threads about his health have been deleted here. But there are more outings. This could have been an opportunity to make use of media. Not by leaking, but to stand up as a group and make a statement and following through.
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because they were fans that could physically get to mj and say something to him what use is someone sat in Oz on the computer gonna be.
 
Hardcastle said:
A skeleton doesn't pass physicals.
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Unless they simply wanted to pass him just to ensure the concerts would carry on. Again, I don't want to think like that but...this really frightens me. If he was taking vitamins and supplements...oh God, I'd hate to think Michael would do this to himself..my heart is still in knots about the whole situation. This will haunt me for the rest of my life.
 
Victoria83 said:
I KNOW now that people aren't reading the whole thread. I'll say it again, and others have said it. The autopsy report and tox-report will likely NOT tell the whole story. The drugs and propofol are clearly what the "powers that be" want the public to believe. If that is the result, the report will not be able to determine when they were administered. Why do you believe what you hear/see on media? I really don't know why you do. . .if anything, the trial-coverage should have indicated that media are out to sell stories and are not to be trusted.

This is what the report will NOT tell us.

When the drugs, if any, were administered.
What the doctor was doing as he delayed calling 911. (cleaning something up?)
Why the reports of fans (and not just those of the email above) and the reports of those connected to the concerts were different, concerning Michael's physical condition.

I have a few questions. Do you or do you not want to know what really happened to Michael? If you do not, why not? Or maybe you think only "authorities" have the truth? Such as.. who? LAPD? Nancy Grace? Larry King? AEG CEO's? What about the FANS, who had no financial agenda. . . . . . .
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I really hope now the LAPD is examining thoroughly all these concerns...
I hope fans will at least contact them to voice their concerns and are also willing to become witnesses...?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
maybe the physical was done around december. it wouldnt have been recent


because they were fans that could physically get to mj and say something to him what use is someone sat in Oz on the computer gonna be.
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What could they even say? Eat more? He wouldnt listen
 
elusive moonwalker said:
none of this helps though does it. it just upsets everyone even more that as normal fans couldnt help him and get to him like with weisner etc. mj looked at the begining of the tour like he does at the end (ie skinny after losing weight) so how he would look after 50 shows well ....
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It has the potential of helping his CHILDREN know what happened to their father. They deserve to know, and I hope the investigation is VERY, VERY thorough. And not just the autopsy report, because that will not tell us the whole picture.
 
Hoofmark said:
What I wonder is, if the situation was so alarming... why was the message only meant for the 'followers'????? Why only for that 'inner circle' of fans who got to see him up close?

Why not ring the alarm bell big time? And yes, threads about his health have been deleted here. But there are more outings. This could have been an opportunity to make use of media. Not by leaking, but to stand up as a group and make a statement and following through.

This is not meant as an accusation, just one of the zillion questions running through my head all the time...
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Did you see the thread Faze posted here about a month ago stating that MJ told the fans that he needed to gain weight, etc? Before it was removed by mods (and they removed it because Faze was being attacked) Faze was being brandished a liar, said the thread was BS, couldn't be believed. The fans here questioned why Michael would talk to them and not AEG, etc. The thread got SO out of control that it had to be archived so no one else would bash Faze.

I remember in 2007 when Michael called me and told me to leave a message to the fans. If you recall, I was bashed on other forums and accused of tricking Michael into calling me and/or the call never took place. This is when Michael called me and Paul from MJNO.

So I can clearly understand why some fans who KNEW Michael were/are hesitant to post anything. No one likes to be called a "liar" and have their integrity questioned. So you just keep it to yourself...

Unfortunately, fans that were around Michael from the beginning of rehearsals have repeatedly said something was wrong and they tried warning online fans. Many took heed. Many did not.
 
Louisa said:
What could they even say? Eat more? He wouldnt listen
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Yes, I think the common thing we deducted over the years (by fans and close friends and even family) is that he wouldn't listen. I don't think we would be much help even if we held huge posters outside his house with "Michael, please eat" signs.
 
Trish said:
Some of you... *sigh* nevermind. "a skeleton don't pass physicals"

You're right about that.

That is why something has gone terribly wrong. I keep going back to why is Michael dead if he were SO healthy as so many yelled to the rooftops.
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Exaclty, something just doesn't seem right. If everyone around the man agreed that he was too thin, why wouldn't they aknowledge this fact in the 'physicals'? *sighs*
 
Trish said:
Did you see the thread Faze posted here about a month ago stating that MJ told the fans that he needed to gain weight, etc? Before it was removed by mods (and they removed it because Faze was being attacked) Faze was being brandished a liar, said the thread was BS, couldn't be believed. The fans here questioned why Michael would talk to them and not AEG, etc. The thread got SO out of control that it had to be archived so no one else would bash Faze.

I remember in 2007 when Michael called me and told me to leave a message to the fans. If you recall, I was bashed on other forums and accused of tricking Michael into calling me and/or the call never took place. This is when Michael called me and Paul from MJNO.

So I can clearly understand why some fans who KNEW Michael were/are hesitant to post anything. No one likes to be called a "liar" and have their integrity questioned. So you just keep it to yourself...

Unfortunately, fans that were around Michael from the beginning of rehearsals have repeatedly said something was wrong and they tried warning online fans. Many took heed. Many did not.
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I can confirm all this. The attacks on Faze were brutal, and they happened HERE. The attacks on Trish were brutal, and she really DID have a message to deliver.

Peace-and-love, folks. Peace-and-love. And a little tolerance for those who really DO want to know the truth. . .
 
How could a doctor give any form of drugs to a patient that wasnt eating and clearly malnurished? There are so many more questions raised after reading this

MJ had a doctor around him whose job it was to make sure he was OK! If he was dangerously thin, then why didnt the doctor say or do something?

:( It seems such a sad end for someone who lead such a great life :(
 
Victoria83 said:
It has the potential of helping his CHILDREN know what happened to their father. They deserve to know, and I hope the investigation is VERY, VERY thorough. And not just the autopsy report, because that will not tell us the whole picture.
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Why exactly would the Los Angeles Coroner's Office not report that MJ was emaciated to the point of being skeletal, if that was indeed the case? It would be a bizarre and glaring omission.

And why would the second independent autopsy performed on the request of the family not contradict that?
 
stacey said:
ok then, who is lying?

His guitar player? Lou Ferrigno? Mark Lester? Who? His dancers? They all said he looked fine.

Picture of Mike in April

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62827

wanted to add. So LF saw a "scarily skinny" Michael and an anorexic Michael, but still continued to train him?
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He was covered from head to toe!...you can't judge through that picture he looks healthy. One would need to see them in person, how they move, walk or he had assistance being held up to walk.
Now that I know what I know, I think if he was truly feeling 100% he would be walking freely as we've seen him in previous pictures. Wearing that black just makes me feel uneasy and sad.
 
A whole helluva lot of questions needs to be answered, and I believe Michael's Family and fans deserve to know what the hell was/is going on. There are two conflicting stories behind Michael's health, and all we know for fact is that the worst has happened, Michael is dead. Though it may be too late for that email in saving Michael's life (If that could have been possible), I believe it is right on time and may be able to spark some flames in leading us to have some sort of idea of what the hell was going on around our Mike. My feelings are mixed between sadness and anger when reading this email (Not anger for it being posted).

:angel: :timer:
 
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