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A email I got 4 days before he passed

Hoofmark said:
Yes, you are right ChiChi. I'm sure there are many facts we have to take into consideration. That's why this discussion is right to be here. But I think at this point it's more wise to collect facts, and the results of the autopsy do play a significant part in deciding what to do with them.

Also, I agree that Michael was waaaay tooooo skinny. At the same time, so was Madonna last year, when she was about to kick off her latest tour:
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I'm not going to sleep now!Holy Cow That Thing Scared The ... Out Of Me!
 
I just wish the truth will emerge. All fans suspected he was too thin since March and went on about that. I wish we hadn't pressured him indirectly into that)....maybe there were other darker reasons too
the eating alone is not a direct cause for him dying...no no...
 
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Conspiracy said:
If this is true. Michael WHY oh WHY. He did it ONLY for his fans, he died for his fans, he couldn't handle it. I wish he never agreed to TII, and just grew up with his kids with no new music, nothing. Just his presence would be enough.

And I agree when you look at smooth criminal picture from rehearsal he is skinny. I hope he didn't have any problem we didn't knew.
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I truely feel this way as well hun as he always wanted to impress us(the fans)but there was no need to do that he was always n1 forever xxx
 
This thing made me Speechless.I'm trying not to cry.It hurts to know his condition and I guess it hurts the others to know his condition as well.When Did Karen get back on board ? Did they patch things up ?I read she wasn't working for him for some time for some reason. Well just by looking at the last footage it scared me. WOW.I would have given him a great meal to strenghten him.Too late now.sigh...
 
Good grief, have the aliens landed?

For the short time I've been reading on this board I have seen so many different variations on the 'the thread is closed', 'we don't speak about such things', 'don't speculate until we have evidence' blah blah blah...

Now we have an unsubstantiated random email from someone that says it should not be posted publicly (so the poster is going against the writers wishes) and you are all over it like a rash, just like your most hated tabloid media.

I am actually disgusted and think you are behaving unbelievably irresponsibly.

If this is true, and Michael was suffereing from a disorder, would Michael have wanted this published, would he not have cried for help himself or do you believe him to be a completely powerless puppet? He had many problems in his life but give him some goddamm credit for being a MAN.

I am furious!
 
sunnyday81 said:
That's what I was thinking. I can understand the producers lying, but how about the dancers or his close friends? Some of them they were big fans too.
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Yeah, I agree. Also, didn't he see some of his family at a meal only a few weeks before? Surely they would have noticed?
 
If this email is legit we can clearly see that there have been lies told, ignorance and serious neglect - at the least. It could be taken as 'murder.' This should be passed on to someone in authority i.e the police!
 
Gaz said:
This thread stays,

Its plainly evident things were not right before the concerts which needs to publically noted.
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Oh? Was it plain to Lou Ferrigno who stated that "He was strong" and "He looked just as good as he did 15 years ago"when he was asked whether he thought Michael was fail. The OP contradicts the words of Michael's physical trainer.
 
Hoofmark said:
Yes, you are right ChiChi. I'm sure there are many facts we have to take into consideration. That's why this discussion is right to be here. But I think at this point it's more wise to collect facts, and the results of the autopsy do play a significant part in deciding what to do with them.

Also, I agree that Michael was waaaay tooooo skinny. At the same time, so was Madonna last year, when she was about to kick off her latest tour:
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That's the creepiest thing I've seen. Disguisting. It looks like the daughter is taking care of her. :shock:
She should be ashamed of herself.
 
No this could be IT! If this forum have allowed us to speak about he weight he might have been alived??! We need to disuss everything now, it a bit too late now, but we still need to know what caused his death. I now think, he was too skinny + drugs = fail
 
There are people on this board that were closer to MJ and people around him then most other fans. Not saying they know everything, only that some sources are - in my opinion - encoutered as 'reliable'.

True that the MJJC staff normally doesnt want such things to come up because it might be pure speculation.
But I honestly think this is NO speculation at all. MJJC staff apparently shares my thought on this one, and I am happy that they do.

People have different ways of making conclusions of things that they see.
As far as the TII rehearsals go, we've only seen a few seconds on VIDEO and as far as I know only 5 pictures. This is not enough to draw conclusions on how he was doing. You can see him, but don't forget e.g. makeup can do a lot of things. And the first thing that came to my mind while seeing the first pics of the rehearsals was, oh god he looks so skinny.

You might not want to agree this is a right thing to keep on this board, if you do not, it's your dicision. But keep in mind that the things you might've seen from MJ, wasn't the actual thing going on. Looks can be deceiving. And I know there will be reactions 'but "looks can be deceiving" also counts for that email posted here', you are very true, but that was - again in MY personal opinion - an inside look that only a few have seen.
 
I Haven't been able to get thru the whole thread which is about 10-12 pages now but I just read these 2 posts and wanted to comment right away.

mello1 said:
Interesting. I don't know if I can take this as legitmate or not, but let me assume that this is a true account. Then I can understand what may have happened here.

If one is not receiving proper nutrition, then one can become chemically unbalanced. Add to it stress and the pressure of pressing business demands and one may not be able to sleep.

Pile on top of that, having someone artificially inducing sleep and then you begin to the see the picture of one's heart precipitously slowing where no amount of electrical stimulus would be able to shock it back.

All are responsible if they knew this and did or said nothing.

I'm sry to say.
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I completely agree with you, mello1.

earthlyme said:
EXACTLY!!! :agree: So we now know that most of them(except) Karen, were there to get their $$ or to fill out their resume for their next Job. Its just tooo too sad to know this.:no:
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I think this statement is a bit unfair. For one, we don't know who all else DID try to do something about this privately. The only reason we know Karen did is becuz of her email response. If not for that, a lot of fans would be lumping her into the same "uncaring" category. People shouldn't jump to conclusions about who is to blame here becuz no one knew exactly what was going on. I do know that Randy Phillips acknowledged there was an issue of MJ's weight and he said he specifically hired someone whose sole job was to remind Michael to eat. So, imo, it seems like there was some concern and discussion about it. Perhaps the objective of getting MJ to eat properly just wasn't met for whatever reason. I think it was Lily who mentioned that if he was taking meds where the side effect was appetite suppression, then I feel all the reminding in the world wasn't going to help. I'm not sure what the alternatives to this would have been.

It's all rathering confusing and probably more complicated than what we will ever know looking from the outside in. And with Michael gone now, his side to this story will unfortunately never be told. All we have to go on is other ppl's observations...which can sometimes be sketchy cuz different ppl can see things differently. How skinny Michael was even varied on this board whenever we had new pics. There were those fans who said he looked too thin and those who thought he looked as skinny as he'd always been. Perception varies. Anyway, that's all I wanted to add for now. If anything I just posted was already said, then I agree with whoever said it. I'll read further and catch up on this thread when I get home.
 
Dude, the man was stick thin! That's why he was wearing all those jacksets on top of long-sleeved shirts in this hot weather! Lou Ferigno even said he worked out in a jacket!
 
I still don't get it.

So if this fan is right, is it possible that Michael lost all of that weight in between the time of the physical and then a day before he passed away? Do we know how long that was?

Either they're all cronies or this fan (no disrespect) is exaggerating.
 
Dutchie said:
....Kenny Ortega was going on and on about the shows on his Twitter page. It was always : "this is my greatest project" , "my dream is coming true".....never once did he mention Michael, or anyone else. It was me, me, me. I replied to his tweets, sent him private messages asking him "it's nice that you're so excited, but did you or anyone in the crew ever bother to ask Michael how he's doing? Make small talk with him to see how he feels?". Needless to say, he never replied and the 'me' tweets went on.

So what the person in this email says, is true. The people involved in the project only cared about 1 thing: THEIR dream. THEIR this is it. THEIR career. Working with Michael was not great for Michael, it was great for THEM.

Not ONE person in the room noticed Michael was frail....not one.

I feel sick.
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That's a lot of assumptions, to say the least.

Second, if Michael Jackson beats into your head not to believe the media, and the media has been saying he's sick and frail, and you see him, do you say "Hey, you look sick and frail"?

Imagine you are granted an interview with Michael, or a chance to visit with him for an afternoon. Would you truthfully say "Hey, I'm concerned?" and risk having your meeting cut short because you're asking him about his personal business? I mean, it's easy to say that's what you'd do from the comfort of posting at home, but if you were really granted that chance, could you honestly say you'd react differently than any of those people?

I mean, judging a person from freaking TWITTER is a bit too much here.
 
swirly said:
I still don't get it.

So if this fan is right, is it possible that Michael lost all of that weight in between the time of the physical and then a day before he passed away? Do we know how long that was?

Either they're all cronies or this fan (no disrespect) is exaggerating.
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If you want, you can lose up to 5kgs (11lbs) (or even more) in less then a week. This is totally unhealthy. Has to be said.

I believe the physical examination was 3 (maybe a bit longer) months before he died.

A lot can happen in 3 months.....
 
The only thing I will say on this matter is that the email was not intended for public view and I think that should have been respected.
 
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Why wasnt he eating? Why wouldnt someone using as much energy as him not eat?

Was he in self destruct mode?
 
TheChosenOne said:
The only thing I will say on this matter is that the email was not intended for public view and I think that should have respected.
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Absolutely. What good exactly is it going to serve on forum anyway? Send it to the right people to get it investigated but not here for everyone to speculate on.
 
The_Dance said:
I'd also like to point out that Michael's Rehearsal for TDCAU made me feel a bit uneasy. For me it was thrilling to see him performing again but at the same time he was a shadow of his former self. I know people put this down to him not giving it his 'all' due to it only being a rehearsal and the fact he was a 50 yr old man. But if you watch the video again his movements seem to be quite slow.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdb0Pc4gVr4

I watched this yesterday. Watch it. It's from the HIStory tour, and the movements are EXCACTLY the same! I don't know if he was ready for these shows or not though, we just have that one rehearsal to go by. All the conflicting reports about his health are worth nothing.
 
TomV87 said:
Why wasnt he eating? Why wouldnt someone using as much energy as him not eat?

Was he in self destruct mode?
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There could be many reasons:

* He was nervous
* He trained to hard, loss weight..
* He believed he had to loose some wight to do his moves..

and more im not a doctor, but there can be many reasons.
 
If Michael was really as thin as described in the e mail, it would surely be noted during the autopsy. I am just wondering if this could have been exaggerated?
 
Yes, I think this was a bad choice. I know sometimes it's okay to speculate, we KNOW he was thin, but he had almost always been that way. I'm going to keep out of this thread now because it's not helping anyway and we didn't see him so we can't judge him from what one person said, that's unfair.
 
Any meds being taken could've worked as appetite suppressants. Its possible. But the body needs fuel, especially when you're burning off so much energy.

This thread is full of "what ifs" and "if onlys". Its too late to change now sadly.
 
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