A email I got 4 days before he passed

What I'm saying is AEG keep saying that as its the only thing they can use, I wish the doctors who passed him would come forward or Lloyds of London the insurers would say more.
Not likely, apart from doctor-patient confidentiality, it's a pretty safe bet that the doctor's contract with the insurers would prohibit them from talking about examinations they've conducted for the insurers. Similarly, the insurers aren't going to talk about clients' policies.

However, the idea that Lloyds would have underwritten the policy without a proper physical is ludicrous.
 
He could have not felt good for a little while, but avoided going to a hospital or seeing a REAL doctor because of potential reports getting out in the media that the shows were in jeopardy, etc. Besides, A LOT of times when people don't feel well, they assume it'll just pass and don't like to admit that something might be wrong...Michael struck me as the stubborn type.
 
I can confirm all this. The attacks on Faze were brutal, and they happened HERE. The attacks on Trish were brutal, and she really DID have a message to deliver.

Peace-and-love, folks. Peace-and-love. And a little tolerance for those who really DO want to know the truth. . .

I also was questioned here a few times...one time when relating my experience in LA near Michael and then I was told as people are mean, jealous, distrustful, etc...In the end, ...if we had had more time, maybe..
 
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First post (on here) regarding this whole orrdeal thats happened to Michael Jackson....

1. Michael was MURDERED (my belief)
2. Michael reached out to the best of his ability being that he was an addict.
3. Michael wasn't told of all the attempts by his family to help him.
4. Michael's inner circle (recent, which were made up of old) denied the family and LIED to Mike in order to keep them (family members) away.
5. Michael became asaperated with overwhelmingly wanting to please ALL PARTIES (i.e. AEG, Fans, Friends, Family, etc.) .
6. Michael reached out for "some other type of strength" to help him through this whole orrdeal.
7. Michael (as naive as he was) trusted this fruitcake of a Dr. (Murray)
8. Murray was an excape goat for the whole CONSPIRACY PARTIES INVOLVED.
9. Sony, AEG (which was working behind the scene with Sony), Inner circle (which was working behind the scene with Sony as well) came up with a mastermind, inconceivable, horrible, rechetable, satanic demise to Michael Jackson because he was worth more DEAD than ALIVE.

And here we are peeps................



That is MY TAKE on this tragic loss of ALL are hero....

Rest In Peace King, moonwalk the paths of HEAVEN.....

I have similar beliefs. I won't go as far as to say the 'M' word, but there is neglience and culpibility to go all around.

What I agree the most about is that Doctor becoming a scapegoat for all of this. I tend to think that he was very late to this dance...
 
Nevermind.

Basically I was told about a month ago from some fans that were at the rehearsals that Michael repeatedly told them that he was not feeling up to 50 shows, that his back and neck was aching him. That he loved rehearsing but he needed to "bulk up" - he spoke of how he didn't know about 50 shows but that now that it was booked, he had no choice and plus he wanted to give the fans the concert of a lifetime. He was happy, he cracked jokes, and he said often to the fans "I'm doing my very best for you all."

Ok, I heard about those reports... thanks.
 
And as much as I hate to say this now, the media in recent years (and I'm not just talking about reporting on MJ now) seems to have done a flip flop -- so called credible, main stream media is now doing all of the speculative reporting while the hardcore tabs have been getting the scoop and some of which has been on the mark.
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That's the way I see it anyway...
That's one way of looking at it.

The other is that any organization that makes stuff up for a living and reports virtually anything they're told as fact, no matter the source, is bound to get something right sometimes.

If I made something up about MJ every day, some of it would be right. Wouldn't mean I actually knew anything though.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s31ZfhDmDLQ
He does very little dancing and its not as good as the HIStory tour routine.
This is very worrying
Uh....how many years ago was HIStory? What has happened between then and now? A LOT! Add to it that the man was 50 years old! You'd be hard pressed to find some thirtysomethings able to do the little that MJ displayed in rehearsal.

Let's please keep this in perspective. Michael tends to be suspended in time for many of us because we have videos of him from years past where he moved like he had no joints in his body. But the reality of it is that Michael Jackson the person was not frozen and the clock kept on ticking. He got older. His body begins to act and feel like that of a 50-year-old. You cannot possibly had expected him to perform to HIStory tour levels. That was 13 some odd years ago! :mellow:
 
Generally speaking, sometimes the people that seem to care the most about you, are the ones who will do you the most harm.
 
I also was questioned here a few times...one time when relating my experience in LA near Michael and then trying to imply the May incident with Michael outside rehearsals was real...and then I was told by other 'followers" to not bother posting as people are mean, jealous, distrustful, etc...In the end, I myself don't know what we could have done to help him...if we had had more time, maybe..

Well what you can do is if you know something, anything that could shed some light on Michael's passing, please contact the LAPD and let them know of your experience. The slightest, smallest thing that you may have noticed could aid in their investigation.
 
I also was questioned here a few times...one time when relating my experience in LA near Michael and then trying to imply the May incident with Michael outside rehearsals was real...and then I was told by other 'followers" to not bother posting as people are mean, jealous, distrustful, etc...In the end, I myself don't know what we could have done to help him...if we had had more time, maybe..

I think at the end Michael would have probably been too stubborn and too much of a perfectionist to have listened to anyone...not even his closest fans.
So there is no reason in blaming ourselves...
BUT if in any way, fans could contribute to a closer investigation of what was going on with the AEG shows, then they should!
 
Kenny Ortega and the dancers have already told us that Michael was in great shape. The Dutch dancer (i forget his name) said in an interview that all the dancers could not believe his moves, that he was in great shape, "it was like he was 18 years old". Was he lying?

Kenny Ortega was coming into this project on the back of his unbelievable success with the High School Musical trilogy, his stock was at an all time high, why risk his reputation for these shows?

Did Michael not pass two stringent medicals with "flying colours". AEG lying?

Seriously, what are people trying to say!?
 
And if so, that meant that he had a pre-existing condition. Now if the insurers still underwrote the policy, then it had to be under the condition that his condition was under control or controlled by medication that would have allowed him to perform.

Although I can't think of a reason why a policy would be underwritten in that case, but I don't know much about this area...

hmmm what if Michael was not even the one examined ?? That would illuminate the whole issue of lupus and any drugs that would have been in his system because of the disease.

the insurance company would have been fooled. and AEG would be guaranteed a payday
 
hmmm what if Michael was not even the one examined ?? That would illuminate the whole issue of lupus and any drugs that would have been in his system because of the disease.

the insurance company would have been fooled. and AEG would be guaranteed a payday

I'm thinking something in that direction as well...
I just don't trust that whole physical thing....
 
hmmm what if Michael was not even the one examined ?? That would illuminate the whole issue of lupus and any drugs that would have been in his system because of the disease.

the insurance company would have been fooled. and AEG would be guaranteed a payday


:eek: I never even thought of that!!! I was thinking more of doctors being paid off.
 
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Closest fans? Tell me more? Who are they? We were mean to them? I must have missed something...I don't remember.
 
hmmm what if Michael was not even the one examined ?? That would illuminate the whole issue of lupus and any drugs that would have been in his system because of the disease.

the insurance company would have been fooled. and AEG would be guaranteed a payday
You mean, what if the doctor appointed by the insurers was so bad he couldn't tell the difference between the most famous man in the world and an imposter while performing a thorough physical examination?

Well... that would mean we're living in a crazy world where up is down.

Even if we were living in bizarro world, if that happened and somehow that came to light - oh, let's say, by conditions being revealed by an autopsy that would have had to have been present at the time of the physical - the policy would be invalid making the whole scheme pointless. Apart from the subsequent charges for fraud.

This is what I mean about being in the realms of the conspiracy theorist here. This is not a plausible theory. To call it 'far-fetched' is to make a massive understatement.
 
Uh....how many years ago was HIStory? What has happened between then and now? A LOT! Add to it that the man was 50 years old! You'd be hard pressed to find some thirtysomethings able to do the little that MJ displayed in rehearsal.

Let's please keep this in perspective. Michael tends to be suspended in time for many of us because we have videos of him from years past where he moved like he had no joints in his body. But the reality of it is that Michael Jackson the person was not frozen and the clock kept on ticking. He got older. His body begins to act and feel like that of a 50-year-old. You cannot possibly had expected him to perform to HIStory tour levels. That was 13 some odd years ago! :mellow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdb0Pc4gVr4

Look at that. That was the excact same routine (They Don't Care About Us/HIStory/In The Closet), performed on stage during the History Tour. It's EXCACTLY the same, even the pace of it. Also keep in mind that his last rehearsal (I hate calling it that) was in fact a rehearsal and not a performance. It proved to me that while he may have had problems, he was very much capable of performing. But who knows how much or for how long. All I know is I was impressed by that short clip and I get sad to think about what could've been.
 
I havent read all the posts here and im not about to sit here and go through 19 pages. From the photos we seen of Michael going and coming from this rehearsal he looked healthy. His guitarist even said he looked fine. After what happened on June 25th the storys that are flying around i wont believe a single word. Im sorry if i offend anyone with this post but you cant trust no one. No story that comes from people can be trusted.

I want to know the truth aswell because i think someone did something wrong and they killed him. Yesterday i heard from HLN that they were treating it as a homicide now. They are seeing what we are seeing. what we have been seeing for a while now. Michael knew it, he knew someone was out to get him.

IMO Michael is Invincable. Hes still here he is still making history and taking over the charts. These storys from people dont paint jack ish to me. They are all wanting attention and i for one wont give it to them.

Again i am sorry if anyone was offended by my post.
 
God...this just seems so cluttered and scary. I agree with the post before about them saying over and over again that "Michael was in perfect health, he passed two rigorous tests" etc.. What if they really DID know that Mike wasn't physically strong...what if they faked it b/c they stand to make huge profits from it...and 50 shows..!?

So, Mike only wanted to do 10 shows....coudl they have bribbed him to do the other 40? We all know how he wanted to please everyone. My God, it makes me ill. Jesus..
 
For once, I saw the reality of his situation. For once, I can't say "he is skinny". I have to say: he may die.

Thats absolutely heartbreaking... This sent shivers down my spine.. Someone should have been more alarmed.. Done something... The warning signs were there, c'mon!!!!!
 
IMO Michael is Invincable. Hes still here he is still making history and taking over the charts.These storys from people dont paint jack ish to me. They are all wanting attention and i for one wont give it to them.

Preach it, sista!! It's hard to know who just wants attention or who genuinly cares sometimes, but I agree with your point!
 
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To start, I did read the entire thread.

First of all, who is Marika? Why do some people keep stating that she is definitely reliable? Reliable in what way? Have you met her? Has she done reporting before? Is she accountable to someone? Is there independent corroboration?

I think the fans versus media mentality that has been exhibited here is unhealthy. Yes the media has disseminated a lot of misinformation where Michael is concerned, but they do come out with good reporting sometimes too. Some stories are better than others and some news organizations are more reliable than others. We shouldn't treat all the media as purveyors of tabloid filth. Personally, I don't see any reason to trust a random letter on the internet. I am not saying what was written was not true, but I have no way to verify the content so I will not take it at face value.

One thing that bothers me is how Marika leaped from "Michael looks frail" to "Michael is anorexic." Assuming she is correct in her observation, there could be many reasons for frailty besides anorexia. If she jumps to conclusions so easily, it makes me feel like I cannot trust her judgment.

Additionally, Michael has always been extremely thin. The recent pictures I've seen of him don't make him look any thinner than he did in the past. I went back and looked at the rehearsal pictures after reading this thread, and I still don't see it. The parts of his body that are visible-- his hands, face, arms, neck-- they look normal. Maybe the rest of his body looked emaciated, but I don't see any reason to disbelieve Lou Ferrigno and the others who say he looked healthy.

It is very easy to look back in retrospect and say that this is eerily true, but it could just as well be a coincidence. Yes, Michael died, but that does not prove that he was indeed frail or unhealthy. His death could be completely unrelated to anything that was stated in the letter. Basically, I don't think the fact that he died somehow makes the letter more trustworthy. It is also easy to look back on the pictures, knowing what you know now, and say Michael looked unhealthy. When you're looking for reasons and trying to understand the cause of his death, of course you're going to see that. It's selective perception. In searching for an explanation, people may be taking more notice of and placing more emphasis on things that seem to relate to Michael's death when in fact those things may be very ordinary.

....Kenny Ortega was going on and on about the shows on his Twitter page. It was always : "this is my greatest project" , "my dream is coming true".....never once did he mention Michael, or anyone else. It was me, me, me...

So what the person in this email says, is true. The people involved in the project only cared about 1 thing: THEIR dream. THEIR this is it. THEIR career. Working with Michael was not great for Michael, it was great for THEM.
Do you expect them to blog, tweet, think, and live solely for Michael? You cannot expect everyone who entered Michael's life to be wholly devoted to serving Michael. Of course they are going to post from their point of view as it pertains to their lives. They couldn't devote their whole lives to him. It's not realistic. It does not mean they are bad people or they didn't care about Michael. That's just human nature.
 
I havent read all the posts here and im not about to sit here and go through 19 pages. From the photos we seen of Michael going and coming from this rehearsal he looked healthy. His guitarist even said he looked fine. After what happened on June 25th the storys that are flying around i wont believe a single word. Im sorry if i offend anyone with this post but you cant trust no one. No story that comes from people can be trusted.

I want to know the truth aswell because i think someone did something wrong and they killed him. Yesterday i heard from HLN that they were treating it as a homicide now. They are seeing what we are seeing. what we have been seeing for a while now. Michael knew it, he knew someone was out to get him.

IMO Michael is Invincable. Hes still here he is still making history and taking over the charts. These storys from people dont paint jack ish to me. They are all wanting attention and i for one wont give it to them.

Again i am sorry if anyone was offended by my post.


How does a fan that is clearly concerned and writes and email about it to fellow fans wanting attention?!! Even mentioning that it shouldn't be posted on forums.

I totally believe every word of that email and I don't know the person who wrote it. But I do know that a lot of fans were quite close to Michael. He always trusted his fans and spoke to them very openly...
 
So, Mike only wanted to do 10 shows....coudl they have bribbed him to do the other 40? We all know how he wanted to please everyone. My God, it makes me ill. Jesus..

I've been asking about this a billion times already. Before Michael died, like two or three weeks or so, I read a news article about him telling fans that he only wanted to do 10 shows and that he would have preferred to go on a world tour after those shows, but I haven't been able to find that article since. Was it real? And if so, can someone find it for me? Please? I don't know why this doesn't get more attention if it was real. Because that is saying a lot about the enormous pressure that was put on him.
 
I think this email is one i will clasiify alongside that of Debbie Rowe's friend. A fabrication

Why would the person ask for the email to be sent to fans but not posted on forums?
What network exists where there are certain fans who can receive info and not others?

I think this whole email is fabricated to push an agenda.

Michael was examined and deemed fit for concerts. He underwent several physicals. If he was too thin to perform, the insurance would not have cleared it.

This business of Michael not eating came from that article about Grace pumping his stomach, which she refuted.
Michael was eating. Though skinny, you can see in the rehearsal video that he's not a skeleton.

Louis would have picked up if Michael was too skinny to exercise.

I don't see Michael looking like a skeleton on stage, so what the supposed email says is a bit off. In fact every commentator said that Michael looked healthy and fit, albeit a bit thin, when AEG released that footage.

This supposed email looks like something drafted after Michael passed away, othwerwise why not post the header of the email minus the sender's/recipeint's details?
 
How does a fan that is clearly concerned and writes and email about it to fellow fans wanting attention?!! Even mentioning that it shouldn't be posted on forums.

I totally believe every word of that email and I don't know the person who wrote it. But I do know that a lot of fans were quite close to Michael. He always trusted his fans and spoke to them very openly...

look at the purple in my sig. I know he had a huge heart. But i wont trust any story written by anyone. The photos WE saw of Michael looked great he didnt look sickly skinny to me he looked like he always looked. Im sick of seeing this shit, im sick of reading how many people wanted to break michael, Im SICK of it! If you cant tell there are still fans who havent gotten over Michael being gone and i AM one of them.

We dont know for a FACT anything was going on or this person actually met michael. We go by an Email. I dont believe it and thats my choice. You do as you wish.
 
Dang! How did I miss this thread! How upsetting to read that email...

IMHO, when we see him at the London This is It Announcement, to ME he did not look anorexic.... I regret to say and admit this, but I should know as I was anorexic for almost 4 years. I almost died and this just shortly after Karen Carpenter died.. (she died due to heart failure just as she was getting better with her years of Anorexia) Talk about a wake up call...

Any way, if you view his face it does not look gaunt and sunken in as with most that have anorexia:

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But then again, I did not see what he looked like underneath all the clothes- it's even hard to tell in the THIS IS IT rehearsal video...

As a recovered anorexic aswell, I have to say I disagree with you. Even at a very abnormally low weight, some anorexics (males and females) get a puffy face from all the purging, some people dont even lose that much weight in their face, the weight falls off in different places for each individual. Some have bony arms, some only have sunken bony faces. Ive been inpatient at several hospitals and seen ''them all''... Ive even seen those who are clinically underweight but look completely healthy, even in the face.. Who do not have baggy eyes or bony fingers... This disease is tricky... He could have still been really sick but it didnt show... Its his organs that shut down in the end.. Sometimes starvation is unnoticable. Especially in the beginning. Those hardcore anorexics who are at the brink of death have often been starving themselves continuously for 7-20 years... Those anorexics you see (males and females) who have really sunken cheeks and cheekbones poking out, have usually been starving themselves for decades. I knew a girl who had a perfectly healthy looking face and cheeks, I mean she looked HEALTHY in her face, she was glowing... But she was clinically underweight and she had heartproblems. You can never judge a book by its cover, a person can still be really sick even if it dosnt always show.
 
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look at the purple in my sig. I know he had a huge heart. But i wont trust any story written by anyone. The photos WE saw of Michael looked great he didnt look sickly skinny to me he looked like he always looked. Im sick of seeing this shit, im sick of reading how many people wanted to break michael, Im SICK of it! If you cant tell there are still fans who havent gotten over Michael being gone and i AM one of them.

We dont know for a FACT anything was going on or this person actually met michael. We go by an Email. I dont believe it and thats my choice. You do as you wish.

Yep, that's your choice.
And I believe it which is my choice...

So we agree to disagree ;)
 
I've been asking about this a billion times already. Before Michael died, like two or three weeks or so, I read a news article about him telling fans that he only wanted to do 10 shows and that he would have preferred to go on a world tour after those shows, but I haven't been able to find that article since. Was it real? And if so, can someone find it for me? Please? I don't know why this doesn't get more attention if it was real. Because that is saying a lot about the enormous pressure that was put on him.
it was in the sun newspaper but thefans who posted what mj said,said that mj never mentioned taking the show on tour only not wanting to do more than 10 and not eating properly
 
As a recovered anorexic aswell, I have to say I disagree with you. Even at a very abnormally low weight, some anorexics (males and females) get a puffy face from all the purging, some people dont even lose that much weight in their face, the weight falls off in different places for each individual. Some have bony arms, some only have sunken bony faces. Ive been inpatient at several hospitals and seen ''them all''... Ive even seen those who are clinically underweight but look completely healthy, even in the face.. Who do not have baggy eyes or bony fingers... This disease is tricky... He could have still been really sick but it didnt show... Its his organs that shut down in the end.. Sometimes starvation is unnoticable. Especially in the beginning. Those hardcore anorexics who are at the brink of death have often been starving themselves continuously for 7-20 years...

I don't think we should be talking as if he was diagnosed with anorexia... Nobody knows...
 
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