yeah in the basic sense yes but the problem is when u have international laws that stop that from happening.its not the 17,18th century when u had lands changing hands every 2 minutes in italy for example b4 those countries even excisted as we know them today.thats what you seem to be talking about so its kinda irrelvent in the 21st century. once countries came into being and were internationally acknowleded then boarders were set and laws were created .otherwise germany/japan etc wouldnt excist as countries.
as i said i think both sides did wrong. so yeah i agree with some of your points. they should have gone to dock like the other boats did. but of course it makes more of a point to carry on and try to get into gaza. they obviously wanted to highlight the block aide so in that sense it worked. yeah im sure there were some on there with agendas who were more extream in their views and given the chance to attack the IDF went for it and thats why ppl died.they shouldnt have done that. but its also been shown that there were many who werent. many white europeans who were part of peace/aid groups wo went out there.as can be seen from all the different nationalities that took part.like i said at the end of the day. this shouldnt have happened cause there should be no block aid in the first palce and hopefully if any good can come from it its make obama and co get off their asses and have the block aid ended.that would be the best tribute to those trying to help and the innocent that died
not sure what it was then. after all they had aid on board and many of these ships have made alot of trips doing this.it wasnt something new
I actually agree with some of the things you said, elusive moonwalker.
About the land: Well, the way I see it is, the Israelis won the war, so the land is theirs! That's what happens in a war. It's not nice and it's not fair. But that's war. Just look how often European borders have changed throughout the centuries. And that was mostly because of war.
But yeah, I don't want to go too deep into that.
I don't want to offend anyone with my opinion, so I hope no one takes this personally. :flowers:
This whole "activists" story just seems like a politically motivated move to strengthen Islamic movements against Israel. This wasn't an attempt to break through the blockade and bring aid to the Palestinians. They knew how the Israelis would respond. I mean, who believes that those "activists" were "good Samaritans" who merely wanted to help? If they were just peaceful activists, they wouldn't have attacked first. The clip shows the Israeli soldiers being attacked with knives and iron bars as soon as they landed on the ship. What were the soldiers supposed to to? Just take the beating?
I am simply shocked about this whole media hype and bias. I just wonder what happened to the media neutrality.
I know what you mean, and you are right. But only because this is the 21st century, doesn't mean wars are all nice and fair. We don't have to go as far back as the 17th century. Since the war in the Middle East happened last century and you mentioned Germany, let's take them as an example. German borders have changed several times in the 20th century, and that was also because of wars and broken international treaties. What happened? Well, they simply lost the wars and Germany has had a lot of land taken away. It became smaller than it was before the Nazis took over. Now they could also claim that parts of Czech Republic, France and Poland belongs rightfully to them, but they lost the war and can't do anything about it (I am not saying that they would want to do that, it's just hypothetical *lol*)
Well, I certainly do not hate you!
:flowers: Don't be afraid of saying your opinion.Well, I certainly do not hate you!
easy target for what? nothing ever happens to them.they have resolutions agaisnt them like other countries but america makes sure that nothing more happens due to vettoing (sp) at the UN. u talk as if they have sanctions and embargos against them. the same as russia. with chechnia. bottom line if the israelis followed international law then there would be nothing to say about them. why wont they follow international law? why are they above it? without justice you will never get peace. and still then u prob wont get it.
where u were born. never said any different. the problem is with this discussion is you cant have a proper discussion cause you get all defensive i want to talk about why israel doesnt follow international law and why it thinks its above the law? u never answer that.all i want is for them to follow the law and for countries to stop pandering to them cause of the jewish lobbiest.
never said it didnt have that right.
yes thats a good point. there is really no such things as booundaries like you say cuase things have changed so much. its not like the world was created and there was france and spain etc lol but as i said TODAY there are rules and laws based on agreements.anything that happened b4 is irrelvent interms of an argument becasue we can only go by what is the law now. yes ww2 was caused by the agreement in the train carriage and how germany was split up etc . but international law doesnt allow ppl to retain land through wars now and we can only go by what is the law now. and under the law now israel is illegally occuping land building settlements etc. why they cant follow the law as agreed i dont know. it all these crazy relgious zealots who prob have N.Y accents causing crap.and who need locking in a room with all the hamas idiots so everyone else can live in peace
yeah god forbid anyone goes against the expected. being a jew and holding the religious beliefs of one and and suporter of israels actions are 2 diferrrent things. guess he will get called a antisemite next *yawn*
well said.
Indeed.
i think thats pretty obvious lol shalom or maybe new york lol joking
