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When do you think Michael and Lisa last spoke?

When do you think they last spoke to each other?

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CTU said:
May be that's true, and may be in his heart too???
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Yes, At least in my opinion Lisa is always going to be his wife in his heart too. And like I said before, I personally think that Lisa really doesn't know why they broke up and there fore, has never been able to completely let him go.
 
dori727 said:
Yes, At least in my opinion Lisa is always going to be his wife in his heart too. And like I said before, I personally think that Lisa really doesn't know why they broke up and there fore, has never been able to completely let him go.
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Oh, Yes, that is true. I will say more - she doesn`t know how much he loved her.

I remember when Oprah asked her if he loved her she doesnt know what to say, and i think that was true. She said something like that : "Oh, its difficult to answer that question"
She said afer Oprah`s help - "Yes, he loved me as much as he could love anyone"
And the same she wrote on her blog:
"Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much."
 
^It's so sad that she never really knew how much he loved her. I bet anything that if they both would have known how much the other one loved the other they would have gotten back together in a heart beat. How can she doubt? I remember watching a video in where michael is recording the video childhood, and Lisa walks in and his face lights up and he waves at her and smiles like an excited kid. It was genuine. It WAS real.

so sad...so sad..
 
Dori,

which video you're talking about, I saw one and the quality is really bad, hardly see his face when Lisa came it. Could you send me the link please.

The way she answer Oprah, as much as he could love somone.. it might sound like he didn't love her, but again. As much as he could love someone, kind of mean that's the most out of him already? If he could love someone, he loved Lisa, and how much... as much as he could. Sound uncertain, but actually quite confident that he loved her.
 
I think she meant the whole thing about him being a "one man show". she's more than hinted many times that he didn't find it easy to be paired up. and I think he agrees. he said as much on the Shmuley tapes.
 
indranee said:
I think she meant the whole thing about him being a "one man show". she's more than hinted many times that he didn't find it easy to be paired up. and I think he agrees. he said as much on the Shmuley tapes.
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Yes, he said on shmuley tapes:

"Its hard to tie me down. I cant stay in one place one time so I dont know if I can really be completely married all the time. I dont know wheter I am selfdisciplined enough because I am such a rolling stone. (...) I love beeing on the move, love it."
 
lulu said:
Yes, he said on shmuley tapes:

"Its hard to tie me down. I cant stay in one place one time so I dont know if I can really be completely married all the time. I dont know wheter I am selfdisciplined enough because I am such a rolling stone. (...) I love beeing on the move, love it."
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Grace was with him for 12 years !!
 
xthunderx2 said:
yes but him and grace didnt have that kind of relationship....maybe in her mind Grace wanted it but..Michael didn't.
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i wish that MJ met a classy woman like J Lo or Halle Berry or Angelina Jolie ...his ex-wives are more men than women ..yuck ...sigh.
 
Ohood said:
i wish that MJ met a classy woman like J Lo or Halle Berry or Angelina Jolie ...his ex-wives are more men than women ..yuck ...sigh.
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I agree..:lmao:.....kinda manly aren't they.....but..dont hate me for this.....I really do think lisa is a kind person....I think she has to live with her own guilt about what happened between her and Michael........but I agree..Michael needed a real woman...a woman who is all woman not part dude ..not that rough and tough kind...a real girly girl....:)....now Debbie....I see nothing girly about her.....I think she is an ass kicker....not a nice sweet shy girl....I wouldnt want to meet her in a dark ally.....:bugeyed:
 
xthunderx2 said:
I agree..:lmao:.....kinda manly aren't they.....but..dont hate me for this.....I really do think lisa is a kind person....I think she has to live with her own guilt about what happened between her and Michael........but I agree..Michael needed a real woman...a woman who is all woman not part dude ..not that rough and tough kind...a real girly girl....:)....now Debbie....I see nothing girly about her.....I think she is an ass kicker....not a nice sweet shy girl....I wouldnt want to meet her in a dark ally.....:bugeyed:
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I remember reading in the Rabbi book that Michael liked girls who were like tomboys. And I think Lisa is very feminine, I don't see anything manly about her. :) But yeah I agree about Debbie.
 
indranee said:
yeah but LMP cussed a blue streak. not very ladylike ;)
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Yeah, I agree with you on that point. I wonder if Michael ever tried correcting her. I remember Debbie relating how she wanted to use colorful language while giving birth and she was just about to say something and Michael would cut her off and say something like "fudge". :)

Though according to Lisa, Michael used bad language as well.
 
mlg2804 said:
I remember Debbie relating how she wanted to use colorful language while giving birth and she was just about to say something and Michael would cut her off and say something like "fudge". :)
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LOL, yeah. When she'd start to yell "f***", he'd jump in with "fudge"; when she'd start to yell "s***", he'd jump in with "shoot". I think she said something to the effect of: Michael not finding cursing necessary, when other words would suffice.
 
CTU said:
Dori,

which video you're talking about, I saw one and the quality is really bad, hardly see his face when Lisa came it. Could you send me the link please.

The way she answer Oprah, as much as he could love somone.. it might sound like he didn't love her, but again. As much as he could love someone, kind of mean that's the most out of him already? If he could love someone, he loved Lisa, and how much... as much as he could. Sound uncertain, but actually quite confident that he loved her.
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Heres the video. He waves at 0:29 but we don't know if he's really waving at Lisa or someone else. But still, he looks adorable waving ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4SY829uTKc
 
Mandy,

Thank you for the link. They actually really go everywhere together if possible, like it's said that it's after mid-night and Lisa went to see him there. Actually, that was one year after they got married, Lisa said things only were good for 6-7 months. Obviously, they're not that bad at 1 year.


xthunderx2 said:
yes but him and grace didnt have that kind of relationship....maybe in her mind Grace wanted it but..Michael didn't.
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I always wonder, but decided that I don't think MJ was into her? Do you remember one of his bodyguard said he's someone who share his up and down with. I totally thought of Grace, she's the only one been around and with him all these years. But again, we will never know if he also have another girl around all the time too.

If you read one of my post that a reporter spot that Lisa was in London and Ireland the same time as Michael. And the bodyguard is the UK based one, not the one in US with MJ. So I put it together, may be the girl the bodyguard refer to is Lisa?
 
If he was with grace maybe he was just settling. Doesn't meant he loved her.
 
Did you all see this?

Benjamin Keough wearing an MJ shirt. . . interesting, eh? Good to know that Lisa's kids really seemed to have loved their step-father.

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aww. how cute. but it's this current MJ craze, I bet. it's now really, really cool to be an MJ fan. it took his death to achieve that :(

PS. I like his guyliner. wonder if he's taking some cues from MJ? ;)
 
indranee said:
aww. how cute. but it's this current MJ craze, I bet. it's now really, really cool to be an MJ fan. it took his death to achieve that :(

PS. I like his guyliner. wonder if he's taking some cues from MJ? ;)
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I think it would be really sad if Ben was only wearing the MJ shirt just because it's cool to now. MJ was a good part of Ben's childhood and I am sure he has memories of him if MJ and Lisa were still visiting each other in 1999. I mean, I can understand some random teenager, but Ben has history with Michael.

However, just because he is wearing it now publicly didn't necessarily mean he didn't like MJ before. We've never really heard his thoughts about Michael, unlike Riley. I'd like to think he's just showing his support for his former stepfather. :)
 
yeah, and that he has good memories of him that have been perhaps jogged by this tragedy?

btw, I like the look on his face. he seems somehow a bit emotional/down. could be just me and my 'reading faces' propensity! anyway, he looks quite a bit like his mom AND Elvis.
 
Fontaine said:
How recent is this picture?
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lulu said:
I dont know for sure, but i think it isnt new..
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I am not sure because I got it off of another MJ forum. But I think it is fairly recent, as in the last five months.

The first time I've seen Ben as a young adult is in the pics where Lisa had to leave that London nightclub because they played Thriller and it upset her. It was him, LM, Priscilla and Lockwood. Ben looked in those pics like he does in this one. That's all I am gaging my guess on.
 
i heard from somewhere that grace got a sister ..and did anyone noticed that there is a nanny( i think) who looks like grace but its not her. maybe he was involved with her.cause i heard that grace was it who brought them together... i m not sure..
 
Here is the picture that Mike kept next to his bed in 1997. Remember I talked about it in the Architectural Digest cover issue of MJ?

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elmari said:
Here is the picture that Mike kept next to his bed in 1997. Remember I talked about it in the Architectural Digest cover issue of MJ?

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Oh thank you, thank you, thank you:clapping::clapping::clapping:
I knew about that picture but I have never see that..:eek:
 
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