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Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

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I seem to keep replaying Free the most. To me, it's vintage Michael: pre 90s Michael. Love the harmonies and the way the music flows. Love to hear Michael laughing at the end. It makes me smile. However, I love them all. Don't Be Messin' is interesting as it sounds very Latin. Price of Fame is interesting not only because it's so autobiographical but it also reminds me of Spirits of the Material World by Police. I think Michael was influenced by that song, one of my favourite Police songs. Love Abortion Papers. I was interested to see how he would handle the subject. I love Al Capone but I think it wouldn't have been as timeless as Smooth Criminal. Al Capone is good but it sounds very 1987. As for I'm So Blue, that reminds me of Much Too Soon. They're all good :)​
 
Re: BAD 25 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion [previews added]

lom kit said:
I think you misinterpret this. with "strong tracks" he means Streetwalker ,Cheater and lyricaly strong. not strong in the level of those that are on the original album.
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Call it how ever you want it but they at least should of put a hardcore unreleased bad session track for the fans, Cheater is not very lyrically strong but streetwalker and fly away is, I heard that tomboy is a great song he redid it on dangerous called she's not a girl, Price of fame sounds like a mixture between thriller & victory, Abortion papers very early bad session, I'm so blue is not my thing it's too this is it, DBMA is ok but I wanna hear the 2nd version he did, Free is really from the dangerous sessions round 1990, Al capone could of been a hit in the mid 80's though it would of fit perfect in the thriller album.
 
Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

Laura.L. said:
Haha, from personal experience I'd say it'll prolly take a few days to recoup to a level where one can put coherent sentences together. Waiting to hear your thoughts once you've returned from cloud 9. :D
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SoCav said:
Enjoy it! You and your sis will be amazed!
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cmstrike said:
You're going to have so much fun! Enjoy!
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Ok, I think I'm ready to give my critique :p

How can someone actually express the feelings evoked from this concert? I watched the concert yesterday and am still in awe...What magic! I always go back to saying that Michael is pure magic when I don't know how else to explain his talent, his music, his dancing, HIM....He was so full of soul, so full of joy and you can see it in this concert. It was everything I wanted it to be and more.

I feel exhilarated after watching it, and I wanted more and more and more! It's so frustrating to me because the feeling is never truly satisfying. I don't know if I'm making sense and maybe I'm being a little dramatic, but that is how he makes me feel.

I cried, I laughed, I sat there with my mouth wide open. His dancing was SO on point, so precise, yet so fluid and smooth and natural. How he does that I'll never know. But he just gave more and more and more. This was him at his pinnacle. His voice was so strong and gorgeous.

Dirty Diana was just.....oh wow....and besides the obvious mic stand sexiness, I loved this performance for so many reasons. I think Dirty Diana is my absolute fave MJ song ever, and I say THINK because I can never truly be sure, it's too hard to pick a favourite :p BUT, this performance has SO much raw emotion and energy, and I got so much out of it. The look on his face, the way he moved, that dark, beautiful way he evokes his soul, I was blown away. His voice was just growling with whatever he was feeling deep down inside while he sang it, you can FEEL that.

I also loved Beat It and Billie Jean. Just wow! So aggressive in both performances, but in different ways, you know? Each song in that concert had a different feel, a different emotion. He brought out every emotion I've ever felt before. He had the ability to do that, and always has.

Human Nature was beautifully done, Heartbreak Hotel, Thriller and APOM were among my favourites as well. His ad libs at the end of I'll Be There were stunning. Man in the Mirror! That song is so symbolic, he blew it out of the water! There will never be anyone like him, ever. Everything pales in comparison to him.
 
Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

Arklove said:
Ok, I think I'm ready to give my critique :p

How can someone actually express the feelings evoked from this concert? I watched the concert yesterday and am still in awe...What magic! I always go back to saying that Michael is pure magic when I don't know how else to explain his talent, his music, his dancing, HIM....He was so full of soul, so full of joy and you can see it in this concert. It was everything I wanted it to be and more.

I feel exhilarated after watching it, and I wanted more and more and more! It's so frustrating to me because the feeling is never truly satisfying. I don't know if I'm making sense and maybe I'm being a little dramatic, but that is how he makes me feel.

I cried, I laughed, I sat there with my mouth wide open. His dancing was SO on point, so precise, yet so fluid and smooth and natural. How he does that I'll never know. But he just gave more and more and more. This was him at his pinnacle. His voice was so strong and gorgeous.

Dirty Diana was just.....oh wow....and besides the obvious mic stand sexiness, I loved this performance for so many reasons. I think Dirty Diana is my absolute fave MJ song ever, and I say THINK because I can never truly be sure, it's too hard to pick a favourite :p BUT, this performance has SO much raw emotion and energy, and I got so much out of it. The look on his face, the way he moved, that dark, beautiful way he evokes his soul, I was blown away. His voice was just growling with whatever he was feeling deep down inside while he sang it, you can FEEL that.

I also loved Beat It and Billie Jean. Just wow! So aggressive in both performances, but in different ways, you know? Each song in that concert had a different feel, a different emotion. He brought out every emotion I've ever felt before. He had the ability to do that, and always has.

Human Nature was beautifully done, Heartbreak Hotel, Thriller and APOM were among my favourites as well. His ad libs at the end of I'll Be There were stunning. There will never be anyone like him, ever. Everything pales in comparison to him.
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Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

I have a quote that I used to use in my signature on this forum, and I think it explains exactly who Michael was as a performer. It can help me explain how his performance made me feel. Usually I'm quite good at expressing myself, but when it comes to Michael, I fall short.

"He is far more, was far more, than the sum of his 'eccentricities'. He was art, art that provocatively and evocatively took us to the very edge of being human. Awash in his music, we sense our corporeality, and more so, a flash of the spirit."

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Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

I'm loving all 6 right now. Michael is amazing!
 
Re: BAD 25 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion [previews added]

BADangerous said:
Call it how ever you want it but they at least should of put a hardcore unreleased bad session track for the fans, Cheater is not very lyrically strong but streetwalker and fly away is, I heard that tomboy is a great song he redid it on dangerous called she's not a girl, Price of fame sounds like a mixture between thriller & victory, Abortion papers very early bad session, I'm so blue is not my thing it's too this is it, DBMA is ok but I wanna hear the 2nd version he did, Free is really from the dangerous sessions round 1990, Al capone could of been a hit in the mid 80's though it would of fit perfect in the thriller album.
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Each to their own -- you say the tracks they released aren't "strong" or "hardcore" enough for various vague reasons, most of which boil right down to personal taste, and I say they are a great showcase of his creative process and provide insight into the wide variety of subjects and experiences that inspired him and how good he was at selecting songs with compatible (lyrical as well as musical) themes and atmospheres when compiling the final tracklists for his albums.
 
Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

Just to inject something here... Cheater isn't "lyrically strong" because the lyrics are unfinished as it's simply a demo. Michael was "freestyling" dummy lyrics and a lot of times not even saying real words. A lot of his demo's are like this.
 
Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

I like all of the songs.
But Im so blue is not really getting to me.. Free isnt as well the best one. I like the other ones much more. Especially Al Capone and Price of fame.
Dont be messing round is also a very good song and in my opinion still better than Im so blue or free.
 
Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

Im so blue is the one! The melodies are hot and sick! To quote Michael , its all about the melody! and this shines like the brightest star in the sky for that reason!


Love Abortion Papers for the infectious beat and amazing melody again. What a subject lol! plus getting more and more to like Al Capone, and the others, like Free but it can be a little bit cheesy at the end. Thank you estate for putting out a true stellar of a package! Michael lives on forever with your continued support of carrying on his Legacy.

Terry
 
Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

Who else is getting "dirty" thoughts in "Free" at 2.38-2.44? The way he does "aah, aah" in low voice makes me a little nervious lol
 
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APOM said:
I think it's interesting to see how MJ's songs on these subjects -- fame, the media, tabloids, distrust, paranoia, etc. -- sort of developed over the years as he became older, more famous, and the nature of his fame changed. This was his reality and I think a lot of fans feel a strong connection to these songs because they deal with his (very personal) perception of the world around him. Price of Fame is my favorite Bad 25 track right now, but it also gives me the chills. Or maybe it is because it gives me the chills... The way he sings lines like "my father never lies" and "so don't be feelin' no pain boy!" as well as the verse near the end: "I feel their envious looks at me / Their mistaken jealousy / Then stand here in my shoes / And get a taste of my blues!" are absolutely amazing, fascinating, but at the same time sad and almost disturbing.

I think this stuff affected him throughout his entire career, from a very young age, and this was a form of therapy for him. And although we got hints of it in Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', Leave Me Alone and Why You Wanna Trip on Me, it seems he chose not to share too much of these types of songs until HIStory, after things turned really dark for him. There's probably a lot more of them locked away in the vault that he decided against releasing in favor of "lighter" material that would be easier to relate to for the average listener.
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"The Innocent Man"
 
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Hess said:
I'm So Blue, Abortion Papers and Price of Fame are my favorites!!

Price of Fame is geniues! - I really love that song!
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Im So Blue is probably my favourite among all the songs on Bad25. Its just the intrinisic in the song itself. Its not a song like, Stranger In Moscow, Earth Song or Heal The World, where it is almost as Michael has the world on his shoulders, its just a simple and beautiful song about love and being free. The simplicity in the song makes it so beautiful and, even if i am speaking a bit early, this can be one of my favourite ballads.

Arklove said:
Price of Fame is really something else....It sounds way beyond its time, IMO....There is so much drama and darkness to it...I absolutely love the beginning growl and the first few notes...SO cool....And the bridge is very cool and different sounding....There is something so captivating about it....I'm lost...
I would have to say I'm So Blue and Price of Fame are my favourites...then Al Capone, Abortion Papers, Free, and Don't Be Messin'....Such treasures from Michael....just wow...
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Thats Exactly what i was thinking while listening to it earlier today. Nowhere does it sound like this was made in the 80's. I mean, most of the music that were made in the 80's all share that special yet similar sonic sound, but when you listen to songs like price of fame you don't get that feeling at all. That is truly a remarkable gift, to be able to make music that lasts lifetimes.
 
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Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

The concert was amazing, very different from Dangerous Tour and History Tour. More a concert then a show. Michael had very much energy and off course the vocals were top notch. As for the dancing, all though amazing as it is I think we do him unjustice to say it's better here then his later tours. Dancers with his skills don't become worse with age they become better. Off course when he passed 40 years old he would be slower and less fluid but in matters of technique, much better. So in my opinion and from a dance skill technical point of view, his dancing on the Dangerous Tour and History era/tour is far superior then Bad. His steps are more developed, more complex. His popping is not good on the Bad Tour lets' make that clear. He was doing it for the first time and was not fully developed until Dangerous era. Bad Tour was a time to try new things.

I loved the Wembley concert and found it interesting to see how Michael did certain songs, certain steps compared to later tours, to see how he developed things.

I guess by now everyone understand I'm a dancer and it's my job so I look for these things, lol.

My favorite part has to be Bad. That song and performance represents the Bad era in full. The attitude, the rythm, the funkiness all of it, and that introduction of the band with MJ taunting Greg Philliganes was priseless.
 
Re: BAD 25: The BAD Album Tracks CD 1 [Discussion]

I've this one and it's not 1st pressing :(

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Re: BAD 25: The BAD Album Tracks CD 1 [Discussion]

I remember the cassette version (and that was the first album that I bought), damn I did loose it... No "Leave Me Alone" And I remember IJCSLY intro, Smooth Criminal :(


Re-issues of Bad feature a number of changes when compared to the original 1987 release:
"Bad" has a modified horn arrangement.
"The Way You Make Me Feel" has richer vocalizations and background vocals.
"I Just Can't Stop Loving You" omits Michael Jackson's spoken intro.
"Dirty Diana" is replaced with the 7-inch edit of the song.
"Smooth Criminal" omits the dramatic breathing within the intro.
 
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But guys, if you have Visionary, Smooth Criminal released as first version. I didn't check BAD, TWYMMF. Dirty Diana is the same.

Can you exactly say where is (minutes) difference for BAD and TWYMM I want to check. Because there is another CD that I've. It's not official but may tracks different. Because Smooth Criminal is different on this CD.

Called Dance Collection

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Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

I didn't know Michael started the crotch grabbing in WBSS during Bad tour itself. He didn't do that in Yokohoma. Even in This is it he skipped it.
 
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Guys, quick question. The US DVD is Region 1 only or is it Region Free? Thanks!
 
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Karthik said:
I didn't know Michael started the crotch grabbing in WBSS during Bad tour itself. He didn't do that in Yokohoma. Even in This is it he skipped it.
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Yes he did (in Yokohama).
 
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He does in This Is It too, but I guess only once. Is on the part where is not HD, the one he wears a suit and the red shirt.
 
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Karthik said:
I didn't know Michael started the crotch grabbing in WBSS during Bad tour itself. He didn't do that in Yokohoma. Even in This is it he skipped it.
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I thought the first time he did it was in the "BAD" video
 
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cmstrike said:
Kinda like when he says "Now the way that it stands...she's outta my caaaan!"
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Bwhahahaahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :toofunny:
 
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Hunterr said:
Said that, i did not.
Probably. There just appeared to be a lot of security there to make sure a fight doesn't break out, and then it cuts back to the show.
Someone probably got it.
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Wouldve been cool if someone got it
 
Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

That would mean they had at LEAST 123 fedoras with them on tour
 
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So over the past few days I've watched a few performances here and there while I've had time, but I watched the entire thing again yesterday and I'm still blown away by it all! It's interesting because the more you watch a performance, the more you pick up on the details that make his performances truly incredible.

One little thing I just love is the white tent that is on stage. It is so subtle, yet fantastic. Just take yourself back to that time. Sure today some may have already known what its use for because you can find shows and performances all over. But then, it was something different and new. I loved how at the end of Smooth Criminal he "smoothly" walks over to it, only to come out looking like a complete boss for Dirty Diana, and the musical cues were amazing. He then topped himself by having the werewolf for Thriller look as though he was consuming Michael and attempting to break himself free, before finally escaping. That is storytelling. Michael later placed story-telling and theater in his tours, but I kind of prefer how subtle yet effective this little tent was.

Also, I love the trick he did with Working Day And Night. I thought it was great for the Dangerous Tour...but to me it seemed even better, perhaps because it appeared to happen SO quickly, even faster than the Dangerous tour. I understand how he changed outfits and such, but when they show his face for the first time for Beat It...he doesn't even look like he broke a sweat or was out of breath!!

And to think...I'm THIS amazed just watching a DVD over and over again...I can't imagine what it must have been like seeing this in person, especially for the first time. Wow...just wow.
 
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ok so i'm probably the last person on earth to get my bad25 but it FINALLY arrived today. i previously already had a copy of the japan bad concert so to be honest, wembley wasnt too big a deal for me ....but O M G
all i can say is WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW
absolutely BLOWN AWAY!!!!
WHAT AN AMAZING CREATURE!!! Never never underestimate michael jackson. WOW
 
Re: Wembley DVD content - Discuss Michael, his Wembley concert and performances

No, you're not last. Mine will arrive tomorrow.
 
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Re: BAD 25 CD 2 Demo's unreleased, unheard Studio songs Discussion

olved said:
Who else is getting "dirty" thoughts in "Free" at 2.38-2.44? The way he does "aah, aah" in low voice makes me a little nervious lol
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Yes! his low register voice is very hot!!:wub:
 
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