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NatureCriminal7896 said:
They can make much more money if they give us things HQ.
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Good luck with that if they're depending on profits from releasing music albums. Since the average younger person doesn't buy physical CDs/records/tapes and artists make very little money from streaming. Notice that popular artists today make money from their brand like Rihanna has a popular makeup line called Fenty Beauty. Will Smith said he focused more on acting because he made more money doing that than from putting out records.

Older artists can make money from their music being placed in movies, TV shows, commercials, video games, their likeness in merchandising, or from being sampled. That's a reason acts today are signed to 360 deals where the major labels get a cut of the touring profits and merchandising. It's also why a certain amount of streams are counted as the sale of an album, when nobody bought anything, not even a download. That didn't happen when people were buying physical music. Concerts are kinda out right now because of the virus, which is how most musicians make their money. Having a hit record is like winning the lotto, very few win.
 
elusive moonwalker;4301666 said:
At the end of the day whether we like it or not thats their job. To make money
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You are correct. IT IS THE JOB OF THE ESTATE TO MAKE MONEY, and they have been extremely successful. If they hadn’t made money, not only would the media be talking about it, so would MJ fans. I AGREE WITH FANS WANTING MORE RELEASES; however, I do NOT agree with those fans who bring up what the Prince Estate is doing and then get your knickers in a bunch when MJ Estate mentions how successful his estate has been. Damn, you can’t have it both ways. Stop bringing up the Prince Estate, if you don’t want the MJ Estate to defend what they have done. BTW, I don’t agree with the braggadocio statement from Estate. I think it could have been worded differently and STILL gotten over the point that the MJ Estate is extremely successful.

FTR, there has never been ANY ESTATE that has had to go through the bull$hit, and yes that includes the trash child porn movie LN, that the MJ Estate has had to go through. The MJ Estate is having to focus on MULTIPLE lawsuits, as well as keeping Michael’s legacy alive with all the negative crap thrown at him. Other estates don’t have to do that and are only concentrating on making their artist SUCCESSFUL$$$ and keeping legacy alive. ANYONE who acts as if Prince Estate is not interested in making money is a liar.

Bottomline is MJ Estate is damn if they do and damn if they don’t. Maybe they shouldn’t worry about releases being successful and just releases unfinished demos for FANS ONLY. However, the Estate is trying to expand Michael’s fan base beyond us hard core fans, AND they have been successful in doing that. In case, you don’t know it, that IS the very thing that the Prince Estate is trying to do. I guess some of you are not aware enough to know that. Either it’s because some are too lazy to research or because you ASSUME you know because it is Prince. ALL ESTATES want to be as successful as the MJ Estate. I just don’t like the statement from the Estate about that success, because it gives fans and others an excuse/reason to spread negativity.
 
I really don’t understand what’s so problematic about the demos. No one’s asking for a standalone CD with just demos on it. Make a nice anniversary edition of each album (for the fans and the casuals) and release a deluxe edition (for everyone who’s interested in it) with a bonus CD with the album’s demos on it, as far as available. That’s a tried and tested concept, they don’t have to reinvent the wheel.
 
“So, while we still have plans to celebrate HIStory with appropriate audio and audiovisual elements, we don’t believe in making announcements until we are in a position to share all of the relevant details. It is our hope that the world will open up again soon, and allow our creators to finish their work.”

Guys, a release is coming soon. They just haven’t announced it yet. At least I think it could be a release, what else could “audio and audiovisual elements” mean? Sounds like an album and accompanying DVD/Blu-Ray film/concert/documentary/etc. They have enough on their plate as is, give it time. We have waited this long, haven’t we? :D
 
Snek;4301692 said:
“So, while we still have plans to celebrate HIStory with appropriate audio and audiovisual elements, we don’t believe in making announcements until we are in a position to share all of the relevant details. It is our hope that the world will open up again soon, and allow our creators to finish their work.”

Guys, a release is coming soon. They just haven’t announced it yet. At least I think it could be a release, what else could “audio and audiovisual elements” mean? Sounds like an album and accompanying DVD/Blu-Ray film/concert/documentary/etc. They have enough on their plate as is, give it time. We have waited this long, haven’t we? :D
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I still wouldn't get my hopes up though. The audio could simply be uploads of all the songs of the album on the Michael Jackson official YouTube channel, which they may have done before with other albums, or on some other form of media. As far as "audiovisual" goes, I am not sure what that could hint at. But like I said, I still would not get my hopes up.
 
^ Yeah as far as I'm concerned, the whole album could be (re)uploaded on YouTube or there could be more remixes or something coming out of this. I doubt an album of unreleased music, a concert, or a documentary would be the Estate's course of action for HIStory 25. But then again, maybe they will just have to announce to confirm
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Your last sentence is where the estate and the fanbase differ. They don't care about releases unless they feel they can be very successful.
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I think this is the major downside of having a lawyer (Branca) as the Estate's executor. Obviously a lawyer's primary focus is going to be how much money he can pull from a project. And that makes some sense, because any company is going to want to see a decent financial return, especially if the budget is big. But it's pretty obvious that Branca is the guiding force of the Estate and that McClain is more of a backseat/silent collaborator (which explains why he evidently was vocally against the Cascio tracks but didn't have much leeway).

I'd bet anything that if the roles were reversed -- Branca stuck to the legal side and McClain took over creatively -- the Estate would do a full 180 and start pumping out nothing but quality. I can't imagine that though, given his post-stroke low profile.
 
Serious Effect;4301697 said:
I still wouldn't get my hopes up though. The audio could simply be uploads of all the songs of the album on the Michael Jackson official YouTube channel, which they may have done before with other albums, or on some other form of media. As far as "audiovisual" goes, I am not sure what that could hint at. But like I said, I still would not get my hopes up.
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That’s the reason that I don’t get my hopes up before sometning is announced or released.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I think this is the major downside of having a lawyer (Branca) as the Estate's executor. Obviously a lawyer's primary focus is going to be how much money he can pull from a project. And that makes some sense, because any company is going to want to see a decent financial return, especially if the budget is big. But it's pretty obvious that Branca is the guiding force of the Estate and that McClain is more of a backseat/silent collaborator (which explains why he evidently was vocally against the Cascio tracks but didn't have much leeway).

I'd bet anything that if the roles were reversed -- Branca stuck to the legal side and McClain took over creatively -- the Estate would do a full 180 and start pumping out nothing but quality. I can't imagine that though, given his post-stroke low profile.
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This pushes me to hypothesize that if John Branca was not involved in the legal courts, our opinion on the Estate would be quite disparate from our opinion now. Of course that may be a bit of a stretch, but it's just a thought.
 
somewhereinthedark;4301703 said:
That’s the reason that I don’t get my hopes up before sometning is announced or released.
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I'm the same way. I do not like being disappointed, so I don't expect much out of things. But I hope the Michael Jackson Estate's plans will be satisfactory.
 
Serious Effect said:
I still wouldn't get my hopes up though. The audio could simply be uploads of all the songs of the album on the Michael Jackson official YouTube channel, which they may have done before with other albums, or on some other form of media. As far as "audiovisual" goes, I am not sure what that could hint at. But like I said, I still would not get my hopes up.
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They will probably release the Munich 1997 concert.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Well yeah I know that, that's every other Estate's job as well, and they're doing it whilst also pleasing fans.
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I couldnt comment on other estates. How much money are/have they made in comparision i dunno?

Always makes a good point re branca. Who runs other estates?.More music based ppl rather than lawyers. Although its not like branaca isnt from the music side.
 
LOL, Hector Barjot is our hero. :laughing:

Guns ’n Roses are just one example. Check out the upcoming Motörhead anniversary release:

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There are 4 different versions to choose from:

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Honestly, when I realized last year that I had started to become a Michael Jackson fan, my first thought was I need to set aside some money to buy all the cool stuff! Never had it crossed my mind that the merch situation would be so dire.

The recent shirts are nice and all, but I&#8217;d really prefer some fancy special editions of the actual albums. :D

The Bad 25 box was good, I like it very much. But it&#8217;s also pretty standard compared to what I&#8217;m used to, coming from the rock & metal world.
 
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It's just sad that the Estate has made so few quality releases over the last 11 years and still think they're the best. The best release should be Bad 25, which has the only concert release in 15 years, but the video quality is worse than VHS. I find it so disappointing knowing that they can do so many things better, and they have all the resources in the vault for great release, but they just choose not release anything.

Honestly, I hate to grow old before seeing a quality Bad Tour release. Life's too short for waiting and waiting. There should be capable people running the Estate.
 
ScreenOrigami;4301584 said:
But isn&#8217;t it obvious that someone who doesn&#8217;t even like the Beatles also wouldn&#8217;t be interested in hearing their demos? You&#8217;re obviously not part of the market for Beatles demos.
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Correct, but I'm not especially interested in MJ demos, either....depending on how "finished" they are. Demos aren't always what people want, is my point. It shouldn't be assumed as a given and I think, quite often, it is assumed by some fans that everyone must want demos. The point the Estate has made is that there are demos that aren't worth releasing and that Michael himself didn't want to proceed with, or that just don't have enough in them, to be worthy. People don't seem to be able to accept this and are always fantasising about how much is available in the vaults; as a by-product of that, they end up being angry at the Estate for "lying", or for not releasing what they clearly do not have access to, or don't consider to be cost effective.
 
ScreenOrigami;4301594 said:
Claiming that The Beatles are overrated doesn’t make you look cool. It makes you look uneducated. There, I said it. :laughing:
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You're acting like you did something special. Expecting everyone to just fall in line with a "universally" accepted MYTH, presumably so they won't be ostracised from the herd isn't education, it's indoctrination and socially constructed peer pressure. I may be many things, but uneducated I am not.

Let's move on shall we?
 
Wait wait wait....back in 2012 Estate told us they found Bad 88 film reels "just before" the official DVD release and now they are saying: "not everything that was created by Michael actually made it into Michael&#8217;s storage facilities (including, for example, the high def footage of the full Bad Tour concert at Wembley)" (!!!).:eek:

p.s. why they did not mention MICHAEL album (2010) on the list of what they have done after 2009? C'mon... :shutup:
 
Mikky Dee;4301827 said:
You're acting like you did something special. Expecting everyone to just fall in line with a "universally" accepted MYTH, presumably so they won't be ostracised from the herd isn't education, it's indoctrination and socially constructed peer pressure.
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So all of this is considered okay to say, without giving any kind of reason as to why you believe this? That&#8217;s a bit harsh, isn&#8217;t it? Feel free to head over to the Beatles thread to talk about this, but please give at least a reason why you believe all of this to be the case. I can make my case for the Beatles any time, with actual facts about their artistic and cultural importance. If you want to challenge that, you&#8217;d have to come up with something more than an opinion and &#8211; what I perceive as &#8211; hurt feelings. :)

I mean, what did you expect to happen, when you bash the Beatles like that:
https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/144612-The-MJ-Estate-Has-Updated-the-FAQ-Page-on-the-Official-Website/page2?p=4301417&viewfull=1#post4301417
That their fans will sit still and say nothing in their defense?
 
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Mikky Dee said:
Expecting everyone to just fall in line with a "universally" accepted MYTH, presumably so they won't be ostracised from the herd isn't education, it's indoctrination and socially constructed peer pressure.
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it's also bullying. I've experienced this constantly on this site due to my differing opinions on Michael. to the point where I've taken almost year long breaks from here :( despite only joining in 2017..

i'm glad you've called this behaviour out, but I honestly could have used this support much earlier on.

by the way, I also dislike the music of; the beatles, queen, prince, elvis, Madonna, guns n roses.. basically any of these acts that Michael is compared to for some odd reason..
 
MJJExpert;4301830 said:
Wait wait wait....back in 2012 Estate told us they found Bad 88 film reels "just before" the official DVD release and now they are saying: "not everything that was created by Michael actually made it into Michael’s storage facilities (including, for example, the high def footage of the full Bad Tour concert at Wembley)" (!!!).:eek:

p.s. why they did not mention MICHAEL album (2010) on the list of what they have done after 2009? C'mon... :shutup:
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They never said that they found the film reels. It was just some rumor or speculation.
 
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