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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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InvincibleTal said:
How could she agree with that after saying she did the make up to the body? WOAAAA! Contradiction much? I Never belived she really did it though. Sounded like a total BS from day one. She did not do the make up and now I know it for a fact.
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YEP, She don't make sense! She could have said I do know cause I saw him dead. But, she didn't! It's like she is saying well, I wouldn't know if he was alive! HUH?!

This is what I mean she goes back and forth cause she did say before she held his dead body. Now she says she wouldn't know anything about a hoax if it was true.... o_O

http://youtu.be/wmSIwoVyZwE

 
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bluetopez said:
http://youtu.be/wmSIwoVyZwE
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In my opinion, Maura (aka MJFanFOREVERAndADAY) knows nothing. -_- What can she know? What's the privileged information that only Maura could know? LOL Sad that some fans believe (was what I noticed in the comments in this video) she could actually know something. :fear: I always found it a mess. Some theories of Maura makes no sense. > :crazy:

BUT.... thanks for posting the video!
 
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^ I wouldn't downplay what Maura may know of or have heard...she isn't the only one. When u talk about something like this so publicly u are bound to get people telling u things or threatening u! But, whatever her opinion of events are or any hoax believer for that matter, it's what they feel and their opinion. There not gonna always get it right but, I'm glad they share it with us! But, no one has to agree with them, if they don't want to.
 
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bluetopez said:
lol Can u say dumb women!?
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lol ofcourse you can,that we can agree with,regarding these tweets from jermaine,i know it,s changing the subject slightly,I've never been fully convinced of a hoax,but whatever perspective i look at it from jermaine more than anyone has been playing with hoax believers,i've tried hard to look at it from a different way but it doesn,t work,now people will probably argue this fact but what family member who constantly smiles when asked about their brothers murder?.
who does an interview infront of a cyrpt where his brother is supposed to be,i'm talking about the larry king interview,gives a cheesey grin when asked where he thinks his brother is,amongst all the other things,also he cares so much for michaels fans why wait 2 yrs to address the hoax?,
 
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man.in.the.mirror said:
lol ofcourse you can,that we can agree with,regarding these tweets from jermaine,i know it,s changing the subject slightly,I've never been fully convinced of a hoax,but whatever perspective i look at it from jermaine more than anyone has been playing with hoax believers,i've tried hard to look at it from a different way but it doesn,t work,now people will probably argue this fact but what family member who constantly smiles when asked about their brothers murder?.
who does an interview infront of a cyrpt where his brother is supposed to be,i'm talking about the larry king interview,gives a cheesey grin when asked where he thinks his brother is,amongst all the other things,also he cares so much for michaels fans why wait 2 yrs to address the hoax?,
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Yes, I agree Jermaine is something else!.lol And I just loved after his tweeter about the hoax his next tweet is about his MJ book cover! lol I guess it's okay for him to promote and profit cause he is the brother?!
 
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that was very interesting,thanks for posting,
 
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bluetopez said:
Here is an interview Pearl Jr gave on the Carlotta Chatwood show on Saturday talking about what happen on Twitter with Jermaine & Karen + more! Very interesting the things she says about them and about the MJ hoax.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/carlot...eel-about-bin-laden-capture-pearl-jr-drops-in She is on the first Hr.

Listen to internet radio with Carlotta Chatwood on Blog Talk Radio
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Oh MY GOODNESS!... how INTERESTING was THAT!!!!

Thanks for finding and posting that!
 
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can you write some points of the interview of pearl? It's not working for me.

I'd also like to had... It's the Jacksons' behavior [with an exception of MJ3] that makes me really wonder about what's going on. I mean, I can't feel their pain even if they're indeed in pain. There's always something.

Latoya's story on the Ellen show was told very hurry and emotionless, I thought it was odd how she repeats "He's Dead" and stuff like that while the kids are in the crowd.

On Katherine's interview one moment she cried and few minutes later she criticized Michael's nose, calling it "thin as a toothpick"...

And there's Joe, who's never showing any emotions and I'm not excepting for anything cause I know he's not dealing with emotions and we can't really judge him for that, I really truly believe he got a problem with it. BUT on the ONLY interview he showed emotions and choking a little bit, he's also saying he thinks Jermaine is a better singer and more things alike.

There are so many examples like these that show how Jacksons are trying to show the world they're in pain but then screw it all with some dumb, careless comment about Michael's way of living - his face, his voice, the children's CURRENT "normal life" and his alleged drugs issues. Maybe, just maybe, if we could see the real thing going instead of those fake acts motivated by money, people would start believing this family is in a REAL grief. I don't hate the Jacksons though, I just don't like how things are going lately.
 
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bluetopez said:
^ I wouldn't downplay what Maura may know of or have heard...she isn't the only one. When u talk about something like this so publicly u are bound to get people telling u things or threatening u! But, whatever her opinion of events are or any hoax believer for that matter, it's what they feel and their opinion. There not gonna always get it right but, I'm glad they share it with us! But, no one has to agree with them, if they don't want to.
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You're absolutely right. ;)

Well, I do not have much sympathy for Maura. LOL :fear: I watched some videos of her and reading some comments from people and the responses of Maura, she sometimes seemed to be very arrogant as if she were the mistress of the truth and that no one could confront her about anything she says. :fear:

Well, actually, everything is pure speculation and nobody really knows anything. In my opinion, I feel that everyone (believers) will be waiting, waiting, waiting ....... for some definitive answer about what really happened .... and in the end nothing will happen and the answer will never appear. But theories and speculation have continued and will never end
and the mystery will continue .... I really feel that we will not have no answer about anything in this story... about the truth behind the death of Michael. :fear:





InvincibleTal said:
can you write some points of the interview of pearl? It's not working for me.
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Same here. I can not hear.
 
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^In the death investigation of Michael Jackson their is much speculation and people wanting to know the truth and whether Maury is ultimately put in jail in the end, will we really know what truly happen to Michael? I don't think so.

So in that sense the hoax and the death investigation look to be in the same boat and aiming for the same thing, the truth. So I say let's keep on speculating, cause it seems like that's all we have....& u never know!? :D

I pay attention to both sides, that's works for me. But, if others feel one side it no good anymore then maybe they should move on!? =/
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InvincibleTal I agree with u about how the Jacksons act sometimes it's very strange to say the least!:rofl:

I really don't know why some can't hear the interview with Pearl Jr?! It was really good!:ph34r:

Well, she said a lot. But, the interesting parts for me were how she said Jermaine knew about her eBook on the hoax. Yet, he still invited her to his tribute show he did singing MJ songs. He had his people calling and calling her making sure she would be there to attend the show and report on it!

But, I found it interesting that he never ask her why she has a book out about Michael!? Same for the DVD cause he also knew about that too. Yet, he waits til May to say something when the DVD came out in March? She was promoting it way before that too!

But, the bomb for me was her saying that a Jackson insider of 25yrs visited her home and she gave them her eBook. Pearl asked this insider if the Jacksons ever said they were mad at her for doing this and the insider said "No" none of them are mad at her! Only that Randy was a little upset but, he never said anything mean to her about Pearl.

She also said that her and this insider spent 98% of the time talking about the hoax that day she visited Pearl! Then she says this Insider has now friend requested her on FB including the person she was on 3 way on the phone with that included Joe as well who were both telling her about the Jermaine shows (I think?) or something that they wanted her to attend because the Jacksons are always phoning her for their things she said.

So, I got to thinking hard about who these two people she was talking about are? This Jackson Insider and the other person with Joe on the phone that also friend requested her on FB recently. And I figured it out lol:cheeky: At least one I know is for sure! :wild:

See, when Pearl was battling it out on tweeter the other day she told Jermaine then how come Angel was in my house and I gave her my eBook?! lol I then put two and two together and quickly figured out that the insider is Angel Howansky! Who has served many times as the Jackson Family spokesperson. :swoon: She has even made it on Television defending MJ during the 05 trial right in front of the court house, speaking on behalf of the Jacksons.

Also not to long ago Angel spoke for Joe on camera (while Joe was standing right next to her) about how he loved the fans and misses them...o_O Which was confusing as hell cause it sounded like she was speaking for MJ and not Joe! lol Many hoaxers pointed that out at that time.

The other person I'm guessing that befriended Pearl on her FB has to be Majestic?! That weird friend Joe is always around who has talked against the hoax not to long ago. Yet, followers a FB page named Bam's day that's all about the MJ hoax! LMFAO

She mentioned Latoya and how interesting it was that Latoya makes the only Comeback on the apprentice! The comeback had to be a Jackson, right!? lol Then look at how Latoya leaves the show for the second time she get's fired...with a fedora hat & sunglasses on and the sidewalk lighting up under her feet like the MJ B.J video! o_O How weird is that?! lol

She talked about Karen Faye and how she needs to be quiet and leave her alone because she did some evil things and that Karen is one of the worst people that was in MJ life! And she knows why she was fired by MJ because of something racist Karen was saying. I really couldn't make out what she was saying though?! It was something about Karen blaming MJ parents about her firing and how Karen was teasing MJ about being racist against his race! She also says it's weird that Karen claims 9hrs of work on MJ face was done for the funeral by her and Pearl feels this is B.S. Especially since the casket was closed and no one saw it open during the service!


So, yea that's what caught my attention! I hope y'all get to here it for yourself though?! It's a must! And so the confusion continues! lol
 
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Jermaine has the type of facial "smile" that is permanent. I don't believe he was "smiling" during the interviews...and I do believe Jermaine to be completely honest and forthright in asking that fans not continue the "hoax" theory. We need to come to grips with reality here...and that reality is that Michael Jackson is no longer with us...will not "pop up" when the time comes for it...will not "reappear" when he feels it's time. Michael Jackson is gone. There is no other simpler way to put it. And to continue this "hoax" theory is very disrespectful to Michael and his family.
 
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Sometimes I miss last month.
 
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Well, like I said I follow the hoax for other reasons now, some have gotten really deep in things that they say are going on in the world and in MJs on their videos, which is undeniable!

Something that others do not touch on at all here and it's obvious that some here don't want to go there or do not understand how deep this thing can be! The hoax does not just leads u to believe he could be alive but, like I said many times it can show why he was killed or why his life was so screwed over at the end!

So, I rather stop posting in this thread at all. I am a open mined person and many are not, they are to fast in letting others tell them what is the truth without investigation it for themselves and I don't have time for that!

Peace and L.O.V.E! ;)
 
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bluetopez said:
So, I rather stop posting in this thread at all. I am a open mined person and many are not, they are to fast in letting others tell them what is the truth without investigation it for themselves and I don't have time for that!

Peace and L.O.V.E! ;)
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Hey > :hug:
 
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Hey Im open minded too Blue and we here are not creating these videos or even posting all of them as some are just rubbish, so I dont think we are fanatics here or meaning to be disrespectful, it is just that some of the information the hoaxers find is just too interesting to leave alone or deny.

I do agree with the above poster though, that we need to respect the family. We cant really always expect to get answers to the questions from them and we KNOW just how much the press messes reports up and how easy it is to mistake a response we see. So we need to be sensible which I think we mostly are here.

I mean to watch Pearl's last report was a real mind blower and Im no fan of Pearl particuarly.

Maybe my trouble is I believe what people say when they seem sincere?
 
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bluetopez said:
So, I rather stop posting in this thread at all. I am a open mined person and many are not, they are to fast in letting others tell them what is the truth without investigation it for themselves and I don't have time for that!
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Aww, bluetopez, don't let others chase ya away. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to. If people don't like the posts in here that slant towards the hoax, they don't have to read them. Why they come in here and comment against it and show their annoyance is confusing to me. Even the Jackson family members , the ones that have addressed it, like Tito in the past, Jermaine now, I think even Joe did once...they all say the same thing, that they have compassion for those that believe and they understand why some fans are looking for something to hold on to that Michael might still be alive, etc. They never act angry or mad at the beLIEvers, and so I do not understand why fellow fans can't be the same about it. They should ignore those who post in here that are beLIEvers, if it bothers them, and beLIEvers should ignore posts by those that come in here with the intention to shame or put them down.

If Gaz wishes to close this thread, I'm sure he will, and that is cool, but in the meantime, keep posting anything that would be on topic for this thread.

Keep having fun in here and post the interesting things you come across and share. Some may enjoy it, not all, but ya can't please everybody... we all know that.

Of course now I'll have a little fun and post something that probably has nothing to do with this thread and is off-topic-ish, hahaha.

I went on TMZ yesterday and ventured over to TMZ Live ... and saying that alone should get a few tomatoes thrown at me. lol. I know how some people feel about those who click on TMZ. I don't care.

Continuing... yesterday the TMZ Live video title for the day mentioned Herpes...and since I'm a little conservative, and knowing the possible subject matter involved, I declined to watch it. Well, I went back tonight and the next TMZ Live vid was again going to be about the story involving Herpes and I sighed. BUT, then, I took a moment to read the brief subnopsis for each of those two videos... yesterday's video says:

"Here's 20 mil cash and a big ol' case of the herps...you interested?" (the individual accusing an A-List level celebrity of givng them herpes is asking for 20 million in a court case)

And today's video says:

"The very real possibility the A-Lister accused of spreading herpes will pay -- regardless of guilty -- just to make it go away."

Anything sounding familiar about some of this?

Katherine Jackson was just recently asked by an interviewer, after she said the biggest lie ever told was that Michael was a child molester, why then did MJ pay the money if he was innocent, for it made him look guilty? She said, and MJ had said this in the past as well, "To make it go away."

Roughly the same amount that MJ's settlement was (usually rounded to 20 mil) is being talked about here, "20 mil." The A-Lister is not named, and supposedly the accuser is threatening to name them if they don't pay up. Hmmm. Maybe they will never need to be named, for they will pay up. Interesting.

The point being, if everyone can understand based on this scenario why the A-Lister might just pay the 20 mil to make it go away..."regardless of guilty" or meaning they could very well be actually innocent and this person has fabricated the whole story to get the dough...then why can't the public finally understand that Michael opting to pay the money when he was advised to do so in that situation in '93, is not an automatic support that he was guilty and a child molester.

This TMZ story is possibly a way to get the public to open their eyes on this past MJ situation and why he might have chosen to do what he did back in '93, even though he was not guilty.
 
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scorpion said:
watch this

[youtube]lMTbODVE5R8[/youtube] if you have not.

I wonder what your explanation is.
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Well, the second video, I do not know how to explain it. If it were me, I certainly could not go shopping four days after the death of my son. But that's just me... As they say, people react and behave differently. *Scratching head* :fear:
 
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She is a religious person. In my experience they often arent affected by grief like the average person is due to their faith .....and we all know she is very strong in faith.

This concept is not hard for me to understand as I have witnessed it wih religious people and I understand and accept it. It can even come across as cold hearted in a sad scenerio but she was likely genuinely more concerned about getting things she needed for the kids. The kids and their needs would be her priority over staying home and having too much of a pity party (so to speak)

Hope this helps, if you dont fully understand I can understand that, but this might help clear the confussion a litttle bit anyway for those that have a hard time grasping it.
 
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Miche said:
she was likely genuinely more concerned about getting things she needed for the kids. The kids and their needs would be her priority over staying home and having too much of a pity party (so to speak)
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Well, the house in Encino is big and I believe it is a house very comfortable to receive people (it certainly has many rooms and bla bla bla) and PPB has its own things....

Someone could go in her place to shop.... or not? Perhaps only she could go? Sorry, but I really can not understand certain things. :doh: :fear:
 
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Trust me no one is chasing me away! lol I just feel that some deserve to be in the dark when it comes to certain info. I'm not talking about the ones that genuinely want to discuss things that seem strange to them. Which is are damn right. I'm talking about the ones that come complaining and saying be respectful and understand how they feel. Yet, the fail to do the same with us.

I don't see this as a game. Some think because the hoax been around for almost to 2yrs it's a game. Well, it's not! 2 yrs mean that people are talking it seriously, and it's obvious!

I find it funny that some are kissing Jermaine's ass now because he spoke against the hoax. Yet, they don't ask the important questions of why now? Do they not realize that Jermaine knew already about Pearl Jr eBook about the hoax! Yet, he still invited her to his tribute show where he sang MJ songs? He wanted her to attend his shows made sure his people kept calling her to make sure she would attend. He never confronted her once when they met up at the show and took a pic together.

When she was on the phone with Joe he didn't say anything to her about the hoax either. How Come? How about Angel? Who is a family friend who met MJ and has made statements on behalf the The Jackson family on many occasions who recently went to Pearls house and took a copy of Pearls eBook and spent all day talking to her bout the hoax. Is that not bothersome to them? Angel even told Pearl that the family was not mad at her, so what gives? Keep in mind that the family also knew about Pearl's MJ hoax DVD at this time as well!

In my opinion I think Jermaine little outburst was to get in the good graces of some fans so that they will purchase his book about MJ. Soon after his fight with Pearl on Twitter he then starts talking about his MJ book again. Like hello!! Don't bitch about Pearl trying to make money off michael and there's Jermaine ready to do the same. But, most importantly let's not pretend the family is taken by surprise by the hoax and hurt by it all of a sudden, because that's B.S!
 
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perhaps Jermain has certain mission...........to say there is no hoax?
 
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bluetopez said:
Trust me no one is chasing me away! lol I just feel that some deserve to be in the dark when it comes to certain info. I'm not talking about the ones that genuinely want to discuss things that seem strange to them. Which is are damn right. I'm talking about the ones that come complaining and saying be respectful and understand how they feel. Yet, the fail to do the same with us.

I don't see this as a game. Some think because the hoax been around for almost to 2yrs it's a game. Well, it's not! 2 yrs mean that people are talking it seriously, and it's obvious!

I find it funny that some are kissing Jermaine's ass now because he spoke against the hoax. Yet, they don't ask the important questions of why now? Do they not realize that Jermaine knew already about Pearl Jr eBook about the hoax! Yet, he still invited her to his tribute show where he sang MJ songs? He wanted her to attend his shows made sure his people kept calling her to make sure she would attend. He never confronted her once when they met up at the show and took a pic together.

When she was on the phone with Joe he didn't say anything to her about the hoax either. How Come? How about Angel? Who is a family friend who met MJ and has made statements on behalf the The Jackson family on many occasions who recently went to Pearls house and took a copy of Pearls eBook and spent all day talking to her bout the hoax. Is that not bothersome to them? Angel even told Pearl that the family was not mad at her, so what gives? Keep in mind that the family also knew about Pearl's MJ hoax DVD at this time as well!

In my opinion I think Jermaine little outburst was to get in the good graces of some fans so that they will purchase his book about MJ. Soon after his fight with Pearl on Twitter he then starts talking about his MJ book again. Like hello!! Don't bitch about Pearl trying to make money off michael and there's Jermaine ready to do the same. But, most importantly let's not pretend the family is taken by surprise by the hoax and hurt by it all of a sudden, because that's B.S!
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http://youtu.be/gXn1OtaQO7w



^ Video info: Pearl Jr. reminds us that she announced the name of the EmovieBook, "Pseudocide Did Michael Jackson Fake His Death To Save His Life?" on Raymone's radio show one year prior to Jermaine Jackson's twitter battle.

Many death hoax beLIEvers didn't go for the alleged diversionary tactic that Raymone lawsuit against Michael Jackson was going anywhere. Well, Raymone didn't win and now is Katherine Jackson's PR agent. hmmmmm!


 
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Your lucky to see it, it has been wiped now.

Can you remember what was on it Blue?
 
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So did she change anything on it that you can see? :scratch:
 
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Ok so this is a new video but has some valid old points to see for the benefit of the newcomers here...


 
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