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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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I have one more question, please...
I have just read on TMZ that Michael weight 136 lbs.
How much is that in kilograms ?
 
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jemini515 said:
Do you not consider personal reports from well-known fans sufficient evidence to that?

EDIT: I'm not being cheeky, btw.... I appreciate all of your investigations DI. Just wondering if you believe the fans who are there.
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If your talking about Twiggy then no. Also she claims she has some confidentiality agreement as does Jody.
 
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BTW since when is it procedure to weigh a person who has come in for an emergency? It doesnt happen!
 
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They thought MJ was a hospice patient yet he looked healthy? They didnt recognize MJ yet if your to believe that ambulance pic (which I dont) you can clearly tell its MJ!
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
They thought MJ was a hospice patient yet he looked healthy? They didnt recognize MJ yet if your to believe that ambulance pic (which I dont) you can clearly tell its MJ!
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According to Katherine on the Oprah show (if I recall correctly) they had MJ covered in a white sheet going into the ambulance? Because he had already died in the house! How would she know that? Cause she was not in the house, she only saw MJ in the hospital? Maybe that's what they told her?

But, the ambulance pic sure does look like MJ! But, A younger MJ! Photshoped? Most likely, so it seems!? Especially if they say MJ had a cap on his hair and look unrecognizable according testimony! Yet in the pic he doesn't have a cap and looks like MJ

Also according to testimony Murray ask them to over MJ face so paparazzi won't get a shot of him cause they where next to the window of the ambulance, they cover him after that. But, was a pic of MJ snapped before they covered him up? Is it the pic we know of? How if he is suppose to be unrecognizable right?...So confusing!:scratch::no:

BTW since when is it procedure to weigh a person who has come in for an emergency? It doesnt happen!
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I didin't know that? Is that true? o_O hmmm
 
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zpredra5 said:
I would like to know what you, guys, think about one thing that really puzzles me a lot.
Paramedics did not recognize Michael Jackson when they came into the house.
They saw an very sick, frail, hospice patient.
I mean...how is that possible ?!
We saw how Michael was looking 24.6, didn"t we ?
I would like to hear what you think.
:( :(
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I don't know, maybe without a wig and make up and being dead for half an hour he didn't look like himself. I seriously don't know what to think anymore this prelim is killing me :(
 
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"This Is Living" poster is old [Early 2009\2008] Sorry guys.
 
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Angela_MJJ said:
I don't know, maybe without a wig and make up and being dead for half an hour he didn't look like himself. I seriously don't know what to think anymore this prelim is killing me :(
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Yes, I know....but to me it is still so very hard to believe.
They did not know it was him, the caller did not gave the name, it was a high VIP thing. Still...
It is very hard to hear all that, because all the stories about Michael being so thin and frail...( I know he was too thin , even with many layers of clothes ) :(
But to be totaly unrecognizable...:scratch:.
One more thing came to my mind. Since we know that amb pic is totaly fake and a paparazzi who took it is a friend of Michael...maybe he faked it out of respect for him, if you know what I mean.:(
As crazy as it sounds I am still hanging on to a straw.
I can"t let go.:no:
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
If your talking about Twiggy then no. Also she claims she has some confidentiality agreement as does Jody.
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Which other fans are there and have been inside the courtroom on certain days? The Justice4MJ-ers, such as Taaj, Samantha etc? Even though some people may not like these fans I don't see why they have reason to lie about being there.

Thinking about the body-switching scenario, I now feel that the deceased person would have had to have been 1) newly deceased and 2) killed by propofol in the Carolwood house. Does these mean it would have been someone who would agree to be killed for Michael (assisted suicide, long illness etc?). However, in that scenario, Murray would want that person to die, so why would he make such a big show about not letting the UCLA doctors call a time of death and continuing treatment for hours? Wouldn't he want the death to be as simple and quick as possible? And of course, he wouldn't want the doctors to actually revive the person! The only response to that I can come up with is that Michael switched places with the person who was really to be killed and Murray couldn't tell the difference between them.... but that seems really implausible to me.

Anyway, just trying to work some scenarios out in my mind.
 
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This women is a believer and she got into the prelim! She mentions some interesting things like Kenny Ortega testifying to saying parts of "This it it" was recorded for future theatrical release like the interviews except for the actual rehearsals parts which were really for personal use to see what would work on the tour! Also that a new illusion was gonna be introduce to MJ on the 25th! As well as MJ assistant Michael Amir Williams being ask during testimony did he ever stopped by a 7 11 to get a diet coke!...o_O




 
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bluetopez said:
This women is a believer and she got into the prelim! She mentions some interesting things like Kenny Ortega testifying to saying parts of "This it it" was recorded for future theatrical release like the interviews except for the actual rehearsals parts which were really for personal use to see what would work on the tour! Also that a new illusion was gonna be introduce to MJ on the 25th! As well as MJ assistant Michael Amir Williams being ask during testimony did he ever stopped by a 7 11 to get a diet coke!...o_O
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This isn't making sense anymore :doh:
 
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I'm thinking she means that Ortega was saying that there would be a future release of the actual tour like Bucharest, and that is what the interviews were for.

It took way too long to get to the point (I guess not for people who haven't been reading all the prelim stuff) but her personal opinion is that his death was the big illusion that Michael and Kenny planned for the 25th.
 
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zpredra5 said:
Yes, I know....but to me it is still so very hard to believe.
They did not know it was him, the caller did not gave the name, it was a high VIP thing. Still...
It is very hard to hear all that, because all the stories about Michael being so thin and frail...( I know he was too thin , even with many layers of clothes ) :(
But to be totaly unrecognizable...:scratch:.
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I recognize Michael from miles away! As they did not recognize the man? :blink: Unbelievable... :doh: And honestly, it's all a big mess :bugeyed and I give up trying to understand what happened. I still have a hope that the truth will appear.


I was just thinking :fear: .... If Murray had any reaction to those statements in court. He should be very concerned (or not)... The man's situation is not good. I'm very curious to see what purpose it will be. Why is before all things that were said in court, why wait? Why did not the judge gives his decision? :doh:


:fear:
 
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Cheater said:
I thought they weighed him at the autopsy
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They did but Dr Coopers testimony said they weighed him in emergency.
 
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bluetopez said:
I didin't know that? Is that true? o_O hmmm
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According to those in the field....no.

jemini515 said:
Taaj, Samantha
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I wouldnt trust those 2 as far as I could spit.
bluetopez said:
This women is a believer and she got into the prelim!
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Isnt she the one who said B.Howard was in on the hoax, which turned out to not b true, although he does believe.
 
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Interesting. Thanks for the video synopsis

Let me see if I've got this ..

...BODYguard walks in on his boss (who's body he guards) laying comotose. . . mouth gaping open, eyes blankly open
and in fact in process of
receiving CPR (which any body guard worth his salary is of course trained in administering himself and undoubtedly knows correct procedure) and does not instinctively call 911, especially upon seeing how awcwardly its being done by the panicking doctor

mmmmmmmmK

This is starting to feel like one of those Sunday funny paper sketchings with so many hidden pictures within pictures that it makes it hard to distinguish one from another.

Ok, so instead of the BODY guard calling 911 the BODY guard politely complies with the panicking doctor's insistence that the BODY guard help the doctor "hide stuff" and then after doing so, the boss's BODY guard politely continues to wait for permission to call 911,

and only THEN does it occur to the BODY guard to call 911 to get help for his boss's BODY

and that, on the orders of a man that is not only NOT his boss but who has his boss's BODY underneath the palm of his hand, while his boss lay lifeless

and when help finally arrives the BODY guard's boss is


wait for it :


dead


wow, shocker

And so now the scene switches to the e.r. of one of the most esteemed hospitals in the world where a (famous) father of (famed) young children arrives D.O.A. (dead on arrival) along with various family simultaneously trickling in and there's no hospital Chaplain, no hospital Social Worker, no team of doctors all cooperatively waiting for and gathering this huge (famous) family together to gently talk to them, tell them what happened, especially the children ...breaking the news (like they do for Tom, Dick and Harry's family) no, just some random one of a billion business partners of Michaels' .......

and him telling, of all family members, the children ....

that their dad is permanently, shockingly, completely and forever - dead

this all just sounds so plausible, so very really um ...

real

really does

doesn't it

If this turns out to be some horrible murder conspiracy it will become clear in court

*meanwhile, heads over to the, Would You Be Ready to Choke Michael Jackson, thread*

just in case
 
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Ashtanga said:
I recognize Michael from miles away! As they did not recognize the man? :blink: Unbelievable... :doh: And honestly, it's all a big mess :bugeyed and I give up trying to understand what happened. I still have a hope that the truth will appear.


I was just thinking :fear: .... If Murray had any reaction to those statements in court. He should be very concerned (or not)... The man's situation is not good. I'm very curious to see what purpose it will be. Why is before all things that were said in court, why wait? Why did not the judge gives his decision? :doh:


:fear:
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I think I am giving up too. My head hurts.:*****:
What is the truth ???
Michael was fine and full of energy...suddenly he was not fine and Kenny was woried about him...and Michael becomes an old, frail hospice patient.....
Someone is lying big time. Big time.
 
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i,ve lost every ounce of hope i had left,the testimonies in court have been killing me,This is too much in my opinion now to be a hoax,i just hope there will be something that will bring that spark back,i don,t know what to think anymore,
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Isnt she the one who said B.Howard was in on the hoax, which turned out to not b true, although he does believe.
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She said that? lol I wouldn't know? I just recently subscribe to her channel cause she was in the prelim and I wanted to know what she heard After watching that vid on the update only section on this forum about the prelims!

Although I have seen one or two vids of her before and she did mention B. Howard but, I don't recall her saying he was in on it but, okay? I am not impressed with B. Howard he don't sound like mike!:smilerolleyes: But, she does think so...*shrugs* lol
 
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The thing I keep coming back to is: IF Michael wanted to fake his death for whatever reason, why wouldn't he choose something "cleaner" that would not require a dead body, an autopsy, or a criminal trial? Like an airplane accident, lost at sea, etc? It just seems a million times easier, not that Michael ever went for "easy", but still!

Dangerous Incorporated said:
They did but Dr Coopers testimony said they weighed him in emergency.
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That seemed strange to me too. Why would they stop and weigh someone when they are trying to save them? Seems like a waste of time. And with what kind of scale, for someone who is lifeless and strapped down?
 
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Found this new vid in my mailbox this morning haven't seen it yet I'll watch it when I get home

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The thing I keep coming back to is: IF Michael wanted to fake his death for whatever reason, why wouldn't he choose something "cleaner" that would not require a dead body, an autopsy, or a criminal trial? Like an airplane accident, lost at sea, etc? It just seems a million times easier, not that Michael ever went for "easy", but still!
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I feel so lost. So there is proof there was a dead body? If not, could that be the very reason? All this talk about 'the body' when maybe there isn't one? Could it be to prove that people respond, react and create based on what they/we hear, and then assume based on what we heard?

I know the 'tone' of my writing may be kind of weird . . . I'm just trying to understand and I'm too embarrassed to state what my real #1 question is so let me ask this ...

Has it been established (discussed and answered) why the testimony that is saying he looked old frail and unrecognizable, why those testimonies contradict the 'ambulance photo' that is clearly the image of MJ? If not, why are people like m.i.t.m. losing hope? I just don't understand.

Will somebody help me please? PM, post ...please ... something ...I just :doh:
 
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:doh:That last line in the video sounds 'hoaxish' rediculous, preposterous and totally unnecessary

:bugeyeduhh brutherrr i've had a full blown relapse !

:angel: help me stay away from this hoax stuff help me stay away from this hoax stuff help me stay away from this hoax stuff ...
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
:doh:That last line in the video sounds 'hoaxish' rediculous, preposterous and totally unnecessary

:bugeyeduhh brutherrr i've had a full blown relapse !

:angel: help me stay away from this hoax stuff help me stay away from this hoax stuff help me stay away from this hoax stuff ...
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Who cares about the last thing she said!? lol It was stupid! Unnecessary Yes!

But, my focus is what was actually said in the court room!:yes: That's only reason why I posted it! So focus on that! Comparing some of the things she is saying that she took notes of match others I've heard also on youtube and read in blogs!:yes:
 
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bluetopez said:
Who cares about the last thing she said!? lol It was stupid! Unnecessary Yes!

But, my focus is what was actually said in the court room!:yes: That's only reason why I posted it! So focus on that! Comparing some of the things she is saying that she took notes of match others I've heard also on youtube and read in blogs!:yes:
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:cheeky:yehh I know

:brow: seems like its all designed to drive people completely nuts trying to figure it out like one of those brilliantly written who-dunnits

:scratch:then there's the fact that truth is sometimes stranger than fiction
 
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New video by alwaysbelievemj2, below the video, the uploader wrote:

"HONESTLY I DON'T THINK IT IS REAL BUT I DECIDED TO SHARE IT. IT COULD BE ANOTHER LIE, BE CAREFULL. THANKS."

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I don't believe it's real either the whole world would be publishing it by now..
 
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