The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Just out of curiosity, if you have to email the copyright offices ahead of time, they must have to tell you if a tape you requested is in their possession or not right?

So if there are songs that we're not sure exist, the copyright offices could give an indication.

If it's registered in their database, they have it. Once you request the tapes, it can take months for them to get back to you because they have to search their archives for the items....and they'll also charge you for searching for them
 
The song you’re thinking of, “Remember This Night,” actually isn’t a fourth McCartney duet; it’s a separate song that samples “Say Say Say.” I can’t for the life of me remember it, but I did some digging some time ago.
kinda late here haha but i tried looking it up, 'Remember This Night' is a club song from 2019 by this person named 'Boom!', it samples 'The Man', hence the MJ and McCartney credits
 
I've always wondered why "GYWOOM" does not show up in the copyright office's database. I know some people were able to hear it there so they must have it, but why it's not listed in their public database?
 
I've always wondered why "GYWOOM" does not show up in the copyright office's database. I know some people were able to hear it there so they must have it, but why it's not listed in their public database?
Korgnex Manipulated it
 
I've always wondered why "GYWOOM" does not show up in the copyright office's database. I know some people were able to hear it there so they must have it, but why it's not listed in their public database?
How were people able to listen to it there if the song is not registered? Are you sure if what they said is true?
 
Michael's 1985 copyright confirms he rewrote the chorus and updated the production

Basis of Claim:New Matter: "words and music in the choruses have been completely rewritten."
Yes. That’s why it would be interesting to hear the original.

By the way, I’m fairly convinced the rewrite includes the pre-chorus, too.
 
No. That was me, I said I was considering taking a vacation to DC and spending a day at the Library of Congress. Just haven’t gotten around to planning it yet. Side note- if anyone knows how to request certain materials (ie the unreleased material), please let me know.
You considered trying the crowdfunding way for a project like this?
Interested fans donate a little amount and you go and listen to tons of unreleased songs, and as a mission, give detailed notes of every single one of them for example and do a big writing for us. I'd probably "donate" for this. I want more details on songs, especially the later eras
 
You considered trying the crowdfunding way for a project like this?
Interested fans donate a little amount and you go and listen to tons of unreleased songs, and as a mission, give detailed notes of every single one of them for example and do a big writing for us. I'd probably "donate" for this. I want more details on songs, especially the later eras
I'd do it for free.

It's something that I plan on doing. Just need more info how it works. I'm not driving 6 hours to D.C. for nothing.
 
Ngl I'm really jealous of fans who live in the U.S for being able to do stuff like this more easily, if I were to do it the whole trip would be around the thousands and I don't know if I'd be willing to do that and travel miles away just to hear some songs that I'll only hear once in my life. Same goes for the MJ Musical and MJOne. Lucky bastards got everything around their corner lol.
 
Just out of curiosity, if you have to email the copyright offices ahead of time, they must have to tell you if a tape you requested is in their possession or not right?

So if there are songs that we're not sure exist, the copyright offices could give an indication.
You can only request iten that are listed in their catalogue(s).
 
taunting people with info if you aren’t going to do anything with it?
Over the years he's been one of the most significant sources of info (if not the most) for these unreleased titles in the MJ community, he literally shares his info and that isn't taunting.
People ask questions, and he literally goes and digs up the actual notes he had written down for the songs and shares what he knows with the MJ community for free. Keep in mind he put tons of time, effort, and money into conducting the research that he did.
 
Over the years he's been one of the most significant sources of info (if not the most) for these unreleased titles in the MJ community, he literally shares his info and that isn't taunting.
People ask questions, and he literally goes and digs up the actual notes he had written down for the songs and shares what he knows with the MJ community for free. Keep in mind he put tons of time, effort, and money into conducting the research that he did.
Don't get us wrong, we are really thankful. All we say is that it would be better if he shared the information via an article in his website. Collect them all together with details and stuff (Dates, how complete they are etc.)
 
I’m wondering how many people have actually done that, not many fans share info so there can’t be many who’ve put up the effort.
 
Yeah we are grateful for all the info he's been giving, it's just that a lot of the times he gives very scarce info or straight up ignores questions and it becomes irritating. It's best if he put everything he has on his website so no one has to keep flooding him with tweets. His articles on I Am A Loser and Days In Gloucestershire are very detailed and I would love to read more articles like those, especially for songs that are unknown to us.
 
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Ngl I'm really jealous of fans who live in the U.S for being able to do stuff like this more easily, if I were to do it the whole trip would be around the thousands and I don't know if I'd be willing to do that and travel miles away just to hear some songs that I'll only hear once in my life. Same goes for the MJ Musical and MJOne. Lucky bastards got everything around their corner lol.
I would've done this already if I lived there, if not at least 2 times. I always found it odd how "almost" no one has done it and shared their information on them. There are many well of MJ fans over there as well.
 
I would've done this already if I lived there, if not at least 2 times. I always found it odd how "almost" no one has done it and shared their information on them. There are many well of MJ fans over there as well.
Yeah, let me just hop in my car (hypothetical) and drive to Washington DC, over, 7 hours away. Or get a plane ticket for an admittedly reasonable 84 dollars (economical). It's only 3 days worth of meals. Michaels half finished demoes he probably didn't want me to hear are worth it.

Because America is just that easy.
 
Yeah, let me just hop in my car (hypothetical) and drive to Washington DC, over, 7 hours away. Or get a plane ticket for an admittedly reasonable 84 dollars (economical).

Because America is just that easy.
7 hours suppose to be super far or something? That's nothing, haha.

It's all about priorities and how much you really want it. 84 dollars plane ticket for a distance worthy of 7 hours drive? Pretty cheap
 
7 hours suppose to be super far or something? That's nothing, haha.

It's all about priorities and how much you really want it. 84 dollars plane ticket for a distance worthy of 7 hours drive? Pretty cheap
I don't really want it. Lol

I mean, I do, and I would. I'm just busy and I got more important places to go to first.
 
You can only request iten that are listed in their catalogue(s).
That's interesting, so is their catalogue viewable or do you have to get in touch with them and they show you the catalogue?

I only ask because it's fascinating but a bit daunting to think there is a vault of tracks available, where do you begin without a guide of some form?
 
Yeah, let me just hop in my car (hypothetical) and drive to Washington DC, over, 7 hours away. Or get a plane ticket for an admittedly reasonable 84 dollars (economical). It's only 3 days worth of meals. Michaels half finished demoes he probably didn't want me to hear are worth it.

Because America is just that easy.
Seems easy compared to taking a passport, a travel visa, paying hundreds for a plane ticket, flying for almost an entire day, go to a country you've never been in, just to listen to a few songs.
 
He's a journalist. It's his job to inform people. I agree that technically he doesn't have to tell people anything but if he's already at it, why not go all the way?
He's not a full-time journalist. And "going all the way" requires time and effort.
 
Yeah, it’s kinda crazy to me that he could single handedly right countless wrongs that have been circulating for years, but just… doesn’t. That’s a more valuable contribution than continuing on with the Cascio tracks. Obviously nobody is required to do anything, but why spend thousands visiting the US Copyright Office and taunting people with info if you aren’t going to do anything with it?
You’ll get the usual Shields nut riders reply to this but the fact of the matter is, if he does this, no one has any use for him anymore or his articles.

This is a guy who will promote LN as long as it negatively mentions the Cascio tracks. No one cares anymore, they aren’t on the album.

If he gives all info on the unreleased songs, no one would bother to keep updated with his books etc.
 
He's not a full-time journalist. And "going all the way" requires time and effort.
If he already has the notes in hand, all he has to do is say all that's written on it. It also shouldn't be that time-consuming to write an article, it wouldn't be like writing an entire book. In fact that's what he was planning to do with all the info, until he decided to focus on a podcast about the Cascio tracks for the last 4-5 years instead.
 
It's WAAAY easier. If all you have to spare is a few hundreds of dollars and a road trip I say it's well worth doing it.
I mean, it's cheaper than Brad Sundberg'e stuff, and yet I am willing to go for that. It's about the external factors. It would be nice to not have to pay 84 dollars to hear Michael Jackson songs, and yet. Idk. One day with the right amount of factors.

You did forget to factor in the costs of these archive searches. Pretty pricey.
 
You did forget to factor in the costs of these archive searches. Pretty pricey.
I am counting those, assuming you don't request for old tapes it probably won't be as expensive. I'd totally spend 400-500$ on the whole trip, but if it goes for more than that... Yikes lol.
 
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