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a lying dog can't lie forever
a lying dog can't lie forever
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Re: Recent news reporting on 1993 allegation
I was trying to keep it narrow so as not to spook the mods
, but it's going really well, so I'd imagine they'd be cool with us talking about most aspects of this turn of events, as long we keep away from a rehash of "I'm so thrilled/he deserved it/my religion says this about it..." comments (correct me if I"m wrong...)
I was trying to keep it narrow so as not to spook the mods
, but it's going really well, so I'd imagine they'd be cool with us talking about most aspects of this turn of events, as long we keep away from a rehash of "I'm so thrilled/he deserved it/my religion says this about it..." comments (correct me if I"m wrong...)earthlyme
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Re: Recent news reporting on 1993 allegation
hmmm...yeah sure...
L.O.V.E.
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No problem... Your penance is to find the next interesting story...
hmmm...yeah sure...
Really? i'm like at the edge of my sit right now...I hope its true!!!!
L.O.V.E.
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I dont. I believe it was because of guilt. Well, I dont know for facts but the way he did it and the timing? MJ left us way too soon with a broken reputation.. and maybe Evans conscious finally hit him? Did he realize what he actually did and now that MJ is gone? I dont know, I can only speculate but this is my guess.
Ive never heard anyone being sick/dying in cancer commiting suicide lonley in a house. He shot himself in the head!! Scary.
If he had overdosed on pills/medics.. then I might had believe he commited suicide because he was dying/sick. There are other ways to commit suicide if you are sick. I dont buy that he commited suicide because he was sick. I think the guilt ate him alive in the end.
I dont. I believe it was because of guilt. Well, I dont know for facts but the way he did it and the timing? MJ left us way too soon with a broken reputation.. and maybe Evans conscious finally hit him? Did he realize what he actually did and now that MJ is gone? I dont know, I can only speculate but this is my guess.
Ive never heard anyone being sick/dying in cancer commiting suicide lonley in a house. He shot himself in the head!! Scary.
If he had overdosed on pills/medics.. then I might had believe he commited suicide because he was dying/sick. There are other ways to commit suicide if you are sick. I dont buy that he commited suicide because he was sick. I think the guilt ate him alive in the end.
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So that's Jordie with Michael on the photo..the little shit was even wearing a typical MJ shirt. Or that last photo...of Jordan and Evan and his new wife..along with the helicopter......sickening.
So that's Jordie with Michael on the photo..the little shit was even wearing a typical MJ shirt. Or that last photo...of Jordan and Evan and his new wife..along with the helicopter......sickening.
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A serious question on the Chandler news
Sorry if this has been discussed but ...
Isnt it suspicious that TMZ wasnt on this story the minute the body was found? And the comment in the Daily Mail (I DID NOT BUY IT BTW) from the police implied that they want to keep this quiet whilst they blabbed to TMZ about everything to do with MJ in June and July.
Also - in the Daily Mail the quote from the detective was awfully biased; it was something like ' the impact of the 1993 case devasted everone in different ways'..it implied that Michael was guilty and Chandler's life was ruined.
I find the whole thing bizzare! Who is paying the news to not make a big deal of this 2 weeks ago and even now? Many things dont add up about LAPD history with MJ in life and after 25.6 and I hope someone researches and trys to add all this up.
I have a very bad feeling about the whole thing.
Sorry if this has been discussed but ...
Isnt it suspicious that TMZ wasnt on this story the minute the body was found? And the comment in the Daily Mail (I DID NOT BUY IT BTW) from the police implied that they want to keep this quiet whilst they blabbed to TMZ about everything to do with MJ in June and July.
Also - in the Daily Mail the quote from the detective was awfully biased; it was something like ' the impact of the 1993 case devasted everone in different ways'..it implied that Michael was guilty and Chandler's life was ruined.
I find the whole thing bizzare! Who is paying the news to not make a big deal of this 2 weeks ago and even now? Many things dont add up about LAPD history with MJ in life and after 25.6 and I hope someone researches and trys to add all this up.
I have a very bad feeling about the whole thing.
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Heads up... the biggest networks are beginning to report on this. Be ready to not only comment, but email complaints to the editor. Pardon my preachiness, but the mantra is cool, precise... less as a fan than a neutral observer setting the record straight... give specifics they can correct and tell them how to fix it. It's much better if you can frame it not as a complaint about their bias but as if you're reporting a factual error.
They're lazy -- they're more likely to fix something if you hand it them on a silver platter, by providing the source.
I don't want to bum anyone out, but a major outlet has gotten in a yucky dig at fans. At the very end of the story, just tagged on out of the blue, it says that Chandler and his brother were concerned MJ fans might murder him. When we see this, we should firmly request it be removed from the story as baseless, casting a harmful shadow on a group that have not been mentioned by the police, and unnecessary sensationalism. The police report says suicide, period. This is irresponsible journalism.
Heads up... the biggest networks are beginning to report on this. Be ready to not only comment, but email complaints to the editor. Pardon my preachiness
, but the mantra is cool, precise... less as a fan than a neutral observer setting the record straight... give specifics they can correct and tell them how to fix it. It's much better if you can frame it not as a complaint about their bias but as if you're reporting a factual error.They're lazy -- they're more likely to fix something if you hand it them on a silver platter, by providing the source.
I don't want to bum anyone out, but a major outlet has gotten in a yucky dig at fans. At the very end of the story, just tagged on out of the blue, it says that Chandler and his brother were concerned MJ fans might murder him. When we see this, we should firmly request it be removed from the story as baseless, casting a harmful shadow on a group that have not been mentioned by the police, and unnecessary sensationalism. The police report says suicide, period. This is irresponsible journalism.
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i just wanted to say one thing, Evan Chandler did not let any suicide note, he could have wrote down that he was killing himself cause of that illness he had, but he DINDT, now tell me why, he could have said in his last statements, a little note "Michael Jackson molested my kid, i did not lie, im killing myself cause of my illness, not cause of MJ death", but he DIDNT!, tell me why, just tell me about it... that man was ill, plus he felt guilty cause we all know Michaels problem with the prescription drugs started heavyly cause of that FALSE ACCUSATION, he died cause of this addiction, i mean how long could Evan take it, cause we all know he was bad, but i imagine Michaels dead took him as a surprise, a bad surprise...i mean if that is not a guilty feel, idn what it is, but enough, i cant take all this, is aweful( cause this is like the resurrection of that stupid woman called diane diamond, i hate all those greedy people), one day the truth will come out, end of discussion for me.
i just wanted to say one thing, Evan Chandler did not let any suicide note, he could have wrote down that he was killing himself cause of that illness he had, but he DINDT, now tell me why, he could have said in his last statements, a little note "Michael Jackson molested my kid, i did not lie, im killing myself cause of my illness, not cause of MJ death", but he DIDNT!, tell me why, just tell me about it... that man was ill, plus he felt guilty cause we all know Michaels problem with the prescription drugs started heavyly cause of that FALSE ACCUSATION, he died cause of this addiction, i mean how long could Evan take it, cause we all know he was bad, but i imagine Michaels dead took him as a surprise, a bad surprise...i mean if that is not a guilty feel, idn what it is, but enough, i cant take all this, is aweful( cause this is like the resurrection of that stupid woman called diane diamond, i hate all those greedy people), one day the truth will come out, end of discussion for me.
Re: A serious question on the Chandler news
Don't we need to first establish that payments are being made before we try to guess who's making them? Seems too big a logical leap.
Don't we need to first establish that payments are being made before we try to guess who's making them? Seems too big a logical leap.
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Re: Recent news reporting on 1993 allegation
Exactly what I've been doing. Just the facts. Also, aside from the fact that I'm taking the time to give them corrections, I'm careful to never give any indication that I am a fan, This removes my bias and sadly, gives me more credibility. :smilerolleyes:
Also, I want to kiss ABC for that picture in their article. It's probably the most popular photo used when mentioning 1993 - BUT it drives me absolutely up the wall that every time it's posted anywhere, they've cut Lily out!! That's because him holding a little girl hurts their story. Word, If you can't prove your case without doing sensational things like that, then you've probably got a case too weak to be trying to prove anyway... Thanks ABC....even though I'm flabbergasted you could state your "sources" with a straight face...
Exactly what I've been doing. Just the facts. Also, aside from the fact that I'm taking the time to give them corrections, I'm careful to never give any indication that I am a fan, This removes my bias and sadly, gives me more credibility. :smilerolleyes:
Also, I want to kiss ABC for that picture in their article. It's probably the most popular photo used when mentioning 1993 - BUT it drives me absolutely up the wall that every time it's posted anywhere, they've cut Lily out!! That's because him holding a little girl hurts their story. Word, If you can't prove your case without doing sensational things like that, then you've probably got a case too weak to be trying to prove anyway... Thanks ABC....even though I'm flabbergasted you could state your "sources" with a straight face...
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I know what you mean about "sadly." I don't like withholding part of who I am.
I know what you mean about "sadly." I don't like withholding part of who I am.
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I know what you mean. You can post the most informative post in the world about MJ but as soon as someone sees that your an MJ fan you get called all the names under the sun and your post suddenly doesn't matter. Its a sad turn of events and its been prevalent on Digital Spy in the Evan Chandler thread. Unsuprisingly its just turned into a war between MJ fans and MJ haters. MJ haters love winding the fans up and as hard as we may we always rise to the bait as we are loyal, when it comes to MJ our emotions take over and we will defend him forever.
I know what you mean. You can post the most informative post in the world about MJ but as soon as someone sees that your an MJ fan you get called all the names under the sun and your post suddenly doesn't matter. Its a sad turn of events and its been prevalent on Digital Spy in the Evan Chandler thread. Unsuprisingly its just turned into a war between MJ fans and MJ haters. MJ haters love winding the fans up and as hard as we may we always rise to the bait as we are loyal, when it comes to MJ our emotions take over and we will defend him forever.
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Re: Recent news reporting on 1993 allegation
With ya, Bo.
With ya, Bo.
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http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html
From E! (!?!) :clapping:
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b154318_father_of_michael_jackson_molestation.html
From E! (!?!) :clapping:
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Re: A serious question on the Chandler news
Well, for one thing, this body was found in NEW JERSEY. Not LAPD jurisdiction. Maybe here on the East Coast the police are not 'in' with the gossips and just did their job like they were supposed to.
Well, for one thing, this body was found in NEW JERSEY. Not LAPD jurisdiction. Maybe here on the East Coast the police are not 'in' with the gossips and just did their job like they were supposed to.
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Yup, i read that one:agree: :clapping:
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"Cops swooped on Neverland seizing videos, photos, diaries, and rolls of film. They also found an album of nude boys."
What now? That I have never heard?
"Cops swooped on Neverland seizing videos, photos, diaries, and rolls of film. They also found an album of nude boys."
What now? That I have never heard?
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No matter what, trust the police and media to put a spin on things.
No one needs to get frantic about this. Could have been merely pictures of children and babies (both boys and girls) that fans sent him. Or classic nude art Or it could have been nothing at all.
No matter what, trust the police and media to put a spin on things.
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Re: I have some questions about the 1993 case.
no they don't. They have MJ's signature on it. MJ even agreed not to talk publicly about the case in the settlement, in exchange for them doing the same.
Your telling me that the insurance company can take away Mj's right to free speech without his consent?
I wish people would stop lying. Seriously, it's retarded. If you want to defend MJ, do it truthfully instead of acting like a tabloid.
no they don't. They have MJ's signature on it. MJ even agreed not to talk publicly about the case in the settlement, in exchange for them doing the same.
Your telling me that the insurance company can take away Mj's right to free speech without his consent?
I wish people would stop lying. Seriously, it's retarded. If you want to defend MJ, do it truthfully instead of acting like a tabloid.
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Yeah, I also read about how there was one private room they weren't allowed to go in. They went in there anyway and found boxes with pictures of young boys, around 14 years old. The pictures were only from the waist up, but they were shirtless and posing for the camera, MJ was even in some of them, "holding them".
Wanna know why they weren't allowed in that room? It was his office. Wanna know what the top of that box said? 3T....idiots.
That's what happens when ignorant "journalists" get a hold of case files and all of the details are left out. :doh:
Yeah, I also read about how there was one private room they weren't allowed to go in. They went in there anyway and found boxes with pictures of young boys, around 14 years old. The pictures were only from the waist up, but they were shirtless and posing for the camera, MJ was even in some of them, "holding them".
Wanna know why they weren't allowed in that room? It was his office. Wanna know what the top of that box said? 3T....idiots.
That's what happens when ignorant "journalists" get a hold of case files and all of the details are left out. :doh:
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What is this from? The Exaggeration Tonight article? Regarding the album its another bulls**t lie from Sneddon. As far as I remember the book was of work from an artist who wanted to photograph Michael and had pics of Liz Taylor and the Jackson 5 in it. I think there were other books that Sneddon claimed had sinster stuff in them too but remember what CarinaT said.
In Sneddon's mind:
books with classical nude art=proof mj was a pedo
books with smiling girl & boy babies=proof mj was a pedo.
What is this from? The Exaggeration Tonight article? Regarding the album its another bulls**t lie from Sneddon. As far as I remember the book was of work from an artist who wanted to photograph Michael and had pics of Liz Taylor and the Jackson 5 in it. I think there were other books that Sneddon claimed had sinster stuff in them too but remember what CarinaT said.
In Sneddon's mind:
books with classical nude art=proof mj was a pedo
books with smiling girl & boy babies=proof mj was a pedo.
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Re: I have some questions about the 1993 case.
But the docs say MJ insurance came in wether he wanted them to or not even though he signed it, it was the insurance that paid the claim! That's what the Doc says, and it was LEGAL! So...what's the problem?
But the docs say MJ insurance came in wether he wanted them to or not even though he signed it, it was the insurance that paid the claim! That's what the Doc says, and it was LEGAL! So...what's the problem?
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Oh right. I wasn't getting worked up. I was just wondering wth they were on about. Yeah they are probably refering to the 'boys will be boys' book or something by substituting it for 'album of nude boys.' I'm sure they had that book since the 93 allegations and brought it as 'proof' to the 2005 trial. What's next? I'm a beastophile because I like Mickey mouse who is essentially a mouse wearing lipstick red underwear?
The quote was from the first news result i got after typing even chandler in google. www.mirror.co.uk
Oh right. I wasn't getting worked up. I was just wondering wth they were on about. Yeah they are probably refering to the 'boys will be boys' book or something by substituting it for 'album of nude boys.' I'm sure they had that book since the 93 allegations and brought it as 'proof' to the 2005 trial. What's next? I'm a beastophile because I like Mickey mouse who is essentially a mouse wearing lipstick red underwear?
The quote was from the first news result i got after typing even chandler in google. www.mirror.co.uk
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They did have that book from 93 and did use it in 2005 trial and the jury said they looked through all the "Evidence" and said they thought nothing of it because it was a LEGAL book! LOL And knowing that, they barley looked at the it afterwords...lol I thought that was funny, that they said that because Sneedon made it out to be child porn and the jury CLEARLY knew that it was NOT!
They said that the "Evidence" was not enough! They kept going back to the stuff that was suppose to be evidence other then the book that was as given to them and ended up in the same spot....NOTHING, saying they wish for more and thought that they would get more from the prosecution in terms of PROOF and did not!
One jury said they just pretty much looked at each other and knew, when talking about the verdict, which of course was NOT GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES!
SORRY SNEDDON U FAIL! LMAO
I taped the whole Jury interview live when it aired right after MJ won so I remember what was said orginally by ALL THE JURORS BEFORE some of them did a flip flop to sell a book!! FOOLS!
They did have that book from 93 and did use it in 2005 trial and the jury said they looked through all the "Evidence" and said they thought nothing of it because it was a LEGAL book! LOL And knowing that, they barley looked at the it afterwords...lol I thought that was funny, that they said that because Sneedon made it out to be child porn and the jury CLEARLY knew that it was NOT!
They said that the "Evidence" was not enough! They kept going back to the stuff that was suppose to be evidence other then the book that was as given to them and ended up in the same spot....NOTHING, saying they wish for more and thought that they would get more from the prosecution in terms of PROOF and did not!
One jury said they just pretty much looked at each other and knew, when talking about the verdict, which of course was NOT GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES!
SORRY SNEDDON U FAIL! LMAO
I taped the whole Jury interview live when it aired right after MJ won so I remember what was said orginally by ALL THE JURORS BEFORE some of them did a flip flop to sell a book!! FOOLS!
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Re: I have some questions about the 1993 case.
I have a question about the 93 case as well... About the taped phone conversation in which Evan apparently says the following:
"There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me…I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s smart and he’s hungry for publicity. Everything’s going to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I’ve given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…Michael’s career will be over.
Was the part in bold font actually said or has this been tweaked? I don't recall it being said in 'Redemption' at the end where Geraldine Hughes includes a transcript of the phone conversation, but maybe she just left that line out. If he did say it why do you think he was calling MJ evil? And what's this 'proof' was he referring to exactly?
I have a question about the 93 case as well... About the taped phone conversation in which Evan apparently says the following:
"There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me…I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He’s nasty, he’s mean, he’s smart and he’s hungry for publicity. Everything’s going to a certain plan that isn’t just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I’ve given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…Michael’s career will be over.
Was the part in bold font actually said or has this been tweaked? I don't recall it being said in 'Redemption' at the end where Geraldine Hughes includes a transcript of the phone conversation, but maybe she just left that line out. If he did say it why do you think he was calling MJ evil? And what's this 'proof' was he referring to exactly?
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Diane Dimon is such an evil bitch.
Meanwhile, Jordie is "a master of staying underground," remaining outside the media's glare. With no worry about money, he travels constantly, skiing and piloting his own plane.
"He's big and tall, handsome and athletic," Diamond said. "He lives simply. He's not a flashy kid at all. I think ultimately he's doing all right. He may be the most balanced of that whole family."
Um, yes the BLOOD money which she forgets to mention. Its so awful to hear stories about him traveling and having his own plane? ..And him being this good-looking guy. She is just trying too hard.
Diane Dimon is such an evil bitch.
Meanwhile, Jordie is "a master of staying underground," remaining outside the media's glare. With no worry about money, he travels constantly, skiing and piloting his own plane.
"He's big and tall, handsome and athletic," Diamond said. "He lives simply. He's not a flashy kid at all. I think ultimately he's doing all right. He may be the most balanced of that whole family."
Um, yes the BLOOD money which she forgets to mention. Its so awful to hear stories about him traveling and having his own plane? ..And him being this good-looking guy. She is just trying too hard.
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Re: Recent news reporting on 1993 allegation
guys I noticed something the defense did not pay attention to during the trial , the detective who recovered the two books said the one who helped them found the nooks was Blanca Francia , but Blanka stopped working for mike in 1991 .
guys I noticed something the defense did not pay attention to during the trial , the detective who recovered the two books said the one who helped them found the nooks was Blanca Francia , but Blanka stopped working for mike in 1991 .