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Arklove said:
I think it's safe to say that most of us, believers and doubters alike, ignored the Jackson's claims that the songs were fake...I know I did...I doubt the songs because of what I hear. Simple as.
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earthlyme said:
I really wonder what some would've said if this song was leaked Before the whole "its not Michael" "story" started on Twitter. I'm *guessing* that The same ppl. that are sayin' it aint Mike, would've said "omg, what a beautiful song..." Personally I'm not even gonna get into the argument of "its not Michael/It is Michael" cuz I, as most of you, have had enough of it in the other threads...

This is just me thinking...:)


L.o.v.e.
Romi
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IvoDT said:
Beautiful song.
Even though I won't debate anything here since no one can convince each other in any way without proper evidence, I would like to show an example of what is happening because of this whole "Not Michael" thing they started.

First of all, lots of people don't even believe songs like Hollywood Tonight or even Hold My hand.
But the most interesting was that I saw many people saying they don't believe 2000 watts and other songs.

I don't know who started this whole thing (I forgot), but I think it was The Estate.
I'm seriously pissed at them for ruining a great experience of many people because if they never said anything like that, people could enjoy the tracks/material Michael was working on before he died.

Like Romi said and I'm 100% convinced with that,
If they never said some of the tracks were supposedly fake no one would've started doubting anything.
I know there are impersonators but it's absolutely crazy that every track is considered not 'Michael' now.

Just my opinion, do with it what you want.
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Arklove said:
I think it's safe to say that most of us, believers and doubters alike, ignored the Jackson's claims that the songs were fake...I know I did...I doubt the songs because of what I hear. Simple as.
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Yes, I totally agree with Arklove.

As far as many of us are concerned we even didn't know what Taryll said on Twitter. Many of us have heard some songs even before it was claimed to be Cascios.

I know that some of us, who however have heard Taryll saying things on Twitter doubted Taryll and called him a liar even before hearing the song. Yet, when the same people heard the song they admitted that Taryll was actually right.

So how can you be brainwashed by someone who initially was called a liar?
 
^^ To me, when people accuse that we wouldn't doubt these songs had the family not said anything about them being 'fake', it makes me realize that us 'doubters' are being severely misunderstood.
 
Arklove said:
^^ To me, when people accuse that we wouldn't doubt these songs had the family not said anything about them being 'fake', it makes me realize that us 'doubters' are being severely misunderstood.
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That's why I opened a new thread, because I suspect that all this fuss is influenced by the frequencies we hear or don't hear.

Indeed, we cannot neglect the number of people who doubt the tracks, but let's admit it, we neither cannot neglect the number of people who claim to hear Michael.

That's why I am inviting everyone to the new thread to say what's their mother tongue and if they hear Michael on the cascio songs. I am sure some kind of parallels can be drawn between the frequencies we hear and the questionable songs.
 
Arklove said:
^^ To me, when people accuse that we wouldn't doubt these songs had the family not said anything about them being 'fake', it makes me realize that us 'doubters' are being severely misunderstood.
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You guys should form a first-wives club and talk about your feelings. :)

Regardless of whether you trusted Taryll, the seed of doubt was planted. Then after the songs were heard you followed eachother and the hysteria amassed.

We understand you more than you know.

Edit: You = The collective.
...Nothing personal.
 
jmoses said:
You guys should form a first-wives club and talk about your feelings. :)

Regardless of whether you trusted Taryll, the seed of doubt was planted. Then after the songs were heard you followed eachother and the hysteria amassed.

We understand you more than you know.
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Based on what you just posted, no you don't....

I'll say it again: I doubt the songs because of what I hear. Simple as.
 
What seed are we talking about when we heard the songs before we knew what Taryll said about the songs???
 
hmm... so he sings "te quiero" in the middle.

Can someone compare MJ's Todo Mi Amor Eres Tu and JM's Mamacita, over the accent of this singer?

Jason is Italian but from Mamacita we know he can sing in Spanish; he might know some Italian as well...
 
Arklove said:
I think it's safe to say that most of us, believers and doubters alike, ignored the Jackson's claims that the songs were fake...I know I did...I doubt the songs because of what I hear. Simple as.
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i agree and i wish people would stop saying that its all because of what the jacksons claimed. maybe people are doubting it because they have ears that work.
 
Frankyboy5 said:
hmm... so he sings "te quiero" in the middle.

Can someone compare MJ's Todo Mi Amor Eres Tu and JM's Mamacita, over the accent of this singer?

Jason is Italian but from Mamacita we know he can sing in Spanish; he might know some Italian as well...
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I think it'd be more of a challenge to compare the spanish. Why not do the english first? :)

What about the phrase "don't walk away" or the word "goodbye"? I find they are quite distinctive.

thoughts?
 
This Is Mike............That Is All I Need To Say

I LOVE This Song:wub::wub::wub:
 
I have to say that monster and breaking throw me sometimes...dunno if its not him or effect of recording conditions, vocal effects and demo not polished final vocals....but this sounds like him to me..it doesn't have malachi's pitch. There is an effect on his voice though but to me its Michael.
 
I'm guessing the "Seed" that was planted as some are sayin' is when it was tweeted

I am shocked that things have gotten this far. This is ridiculous. I was at the studio when these questionable files were delivered. I heard these "so-called" Michael Jackson songs raw and without the distraction of the well produced music by Teddy Riley. How they constructed these songs is very sneaky and sly. many people who have worked on this project either have strong doubts and questions while others KNOW the truth yet decided to turn and look the other way with their hands out for $$$. I will NEVER look the other way. Right is Right, Truth is Truth, Facts are Facts and it will all come out!!! I tried so hard to prevent this craziness, but they wouldn't listen. I KNOW my Uncle's voice and something's seriously wrong when you have immediate FAMILY saying it's not him. Don't you have to wonder why? I have strong, undeniable points. They can't give me answers, yet continue to move forward with lies and deception. Sounding like Michael Jackson and BEING Michael Jackson are two different things.
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This tweet was posted by Taryll J. on November 7th 2010.


to all the mj fans… regarding the song "breaking news" i am so sorry you have to deal with this. my uncle loved you so much and would not want it this way. However there are songs that ARE my uncle singing on the upcoming album and I will support those 100% But I will not support "Breaking News" and a few others because it simply is not him. They tried to fool me and they tried to fool you. I told them it would never happen.
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And this Tweet on Nov. 8th.

Both a WEEK Before we heard Breaking News. Before we even had a clue of what we were gonna listen to, we had Some information installed in us. You can Not seriously tell me that if this Tweet was not posted and nothing about "Fake" songs was introduced to us, We would be on the same road that we're on right now...

My opinion is that there is something going on in this whole thing, NOT The album but the ppl. around it(Estate, $ony & Family members) or Not around it(Family members and fans)! I Personally believe that the Album *MICHAEL* Is Legit!

No disrespect to some family members!

This is the thing, both, believers and None believers have one thing in common, and that is that WE WERE NEVER WITH MICHAEL WHEN HE RECORDED A SONG! or anything else for that matter. The last time he sung with his nephews was in the early/mid 90's and I'm sure voices change over time right?

If 2000Watts was released in the *Michael* album, would some be put it with the other "fake" songs? since his voice is different on that song? Who knows right?

I dont really have anything against ppl. who wish to believe other wise. Just stating the point (about the *Planted seed*)! :)


L.o.v.e.
Romi
 
Breaking News streamed very early on Nov. 8 or very late on Nov. 7 depending on your time zone. Those tweets both came after the full version of Breaking News began streaming.
 
Blah. This whole 'Michael' period has been ruined for me by this forum. Hence why I don't post so much. Is it or isn't it him singing the songs? Get over it. Just enjoy. Jesus.
 
Superstition said:
Breaking News streamed very early on Nov. 8 or very late on Nov. 7 depending on your time zone. Those tweets both came after the full version of Breaking News began streaming.
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My mistake then. But there were tweets on Taryll's twitter page b4 that talking about the songs not being Michael. Those tweets are not there anymore. There are NO tweets before November 7th on his page. As I remember, Taryll and his brothers had tweeted since before that...
weird but yeah... I'm not here to talk about anything other than the "coincidence" surrounding Michael!

My only wish for this album before it was released was for me to ENJOY The First Ever Album that I bought when it was released. This is the first NEW album that I've ever bought the day it was released, the others I bought years after their releases. I wanted to get in to the same excitement that was TII! But unfortunately, that didnt happen. I hope we all realize that at the end of the day, we are here to support and enjoy what Michael has worked on For Us! this divide never helps anyone but there's nothing we can do about it so Like *Pez* Said, Lets just enjoy the Music and the talent and the Love&Peace that MIchael was about. :D

L.o.v.e.
Romi

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omg, i found an amazing song that's actually by michael jackson. it's called: "every other song in his music catalog that isn't something released by the cascios"

Seriously, someone can listen to carry on and then listen to slave to the rhythm and tell me they're sung by the same person? i very much disagree.

and what's with the "get over it" posts? they're f**king with michael's legacy, and i will never get over that. it makes me sick.
 
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azsummergirl said:
omg, i found an amazing song that's actually by michael jackson. it's called: "every other song in his music catalog that isn't something released by the cascios"

Seriously, someone can listen to carry on and then listen to slave to the rhythm and tell me they're sung by the same person? i very much disagree.

and what's with the "get over it" posts? they're f**king with michael's legacy, and i will never get over that. it makes me sick.
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Oh yea, let's just forget the two songs are from two completely different era's of Michael.
 
all the casico songs are michael!!!yes i said it..i would believe the cascios over the jacksons anyday
 
I actually like this song, I have to say, It had the potential to be a nice song.

Of course, I dont believe it is Michael. But I think its a nice song and I would put it ahead of Keep Your Head Up.....

Superstition said:
We're talking maybe 7 years or so at most, and the guy would have been in his 40's. His voice wouldn't have changed that much.
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His voice wouldnt have started sounding younger either...as I do believe the vocals on the Cascio tracks sound younger.
 
Alec said:
Best of Joy, Hold My Hand>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stay

same "era"
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"much too soon" and "yana" are from the same era too...the voice sounds different too

the same with "fly away" and "i just can't stop loving you"

the same with ""speechless" and "beautifull girl"

the question is "to pitch" or no "to pitch" ?
 
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Superstition said:
We're talking maybe 7 years or so at most, and the guy would have been in his 40's. His voice wouldn't have changed that much.
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Isn't STTR from around '98? That could be inaccurate, but I recall hearing it, if so that's almost a 10 year period. Besides, the period between History and Invincible showed how much his tone could change, in 6 or 7 year period.
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Isn't STTR from around '98? That could be inaccurate, but I recall hearing it, if so that's almost a 10 year period. Besides, the period between History and Invincible showed how much his tone could change, in 6 or 7 year period.
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And Best of Joy was recorded in 2009 .. so his tone changed into something sounding like Jason Malachis for the year 2007 then miraculously changed back to Michael Jackson in 2009 ? ... unbelievable.
 
Furthermore .. on Invincible he sounds like Michael Jackson on every track . .as he does on HIStory. 2000 watts is heavily effected and he still sounds like Michael Jackson .. in fact it's more heavily effected than any Cascio track and still sounds like MJ.
 
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