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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
Thanks for the updates and discussions. I wouldn't know where to begin and a lot of you bring up good points and ask good questions
Sorry for the stupid question but how many hearings will there be? What exactly is the point of a hearing? (I didn't take any law courses, ever! So I have a very very limited knowledge as to the proceedings of trials)
Thanks for the updates and discussions. I wouldn't know where to begin and a lot of you bring up good points and ask good questions
Sorry for the stupid question but how many hearings will there be? What exactly is the point of a hearing? (I didn't take any law courses, ever! So I have a very very limited knowledge as to the proceedings of trials)Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
I did read it but it has been some time. Relevance? and refresh our memories.
Number of hearings - as much as required
point of it - getting ready for the trial.Basically each side is mentioning their requests and issues etc to the judge and judge makes a decision so that everyone will be ready for the trial.
I did read it but it has been some time. Relevance? and refresh our memories.
Thanks for the updates and discussions. I wouldn't know where to begin and a lot of you bring up good points and ask good questions
Number of hearings - as much as required
point of it - getting ready for the trial.Basically each side is mentioning their requests and issues etc to the judge and judge makes a decision so that everyone will be ready for the trial.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 7th - Jury Selection Day 3
havnt read it but from posts on here and other boards it mentioned using i think mijac as collateral.so mj doesnt do the shows he loses the cat.hence what chernoff is going on about
Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 7th - Jury Selection Day 3
but then the contract became available. Yes Michael uses his assets as collateral but it doesn't specifically limit it to the catalogs. It could be any asset of his
but then the contract became available. Yes Michael uses his assets as collateral but it doesn't specifically limit it to the catalogs. It could be any asset of his
AP summary of yesterday
Jury Search Resumes in Jackson Doctor Case
While lawyers discuss money and Michael Jackson, jury search resumes in doctor's trial
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BY LINDA DEUTSCH AP SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
LOS ANGELES April 7, 2011 (AP)
With lawyers raising a new theory involving money and its role in Michael Jackson's death, a judge is summoning a third panel of prospective jurors for the involuntary manslaughter case against Dr. Conrad Murray.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who has already screened 340 prospects and cleared 147 of those for availability, has said a larger pool is needed from which 12 jurors and six alternates will be chosen.
The judge, who has seen some of the answers to questionnaires from those who have the time to serve, indicated many prospects will have to be eliminated because they hold strong views on the highly publicized case. Only three of the initial pool said they hadn't heard about the upcoming trial.
After this initial phase, prospects who remain will be questioned in person beginning May 4. Pastor has set opening statements for May 9.
On Wednesday, defense lawyers disclosed a new component of their case — a claim that Jackson was on the brink of financial ruin and feared he would be unable to fulfill his commitment to a concert tour because of severe insomnia.
Attorney Edward Chernoff posed the theory that Jackson was so distraught over his inability to sleep that he took "desperate measures."
Defense lawyers previously suggested the pop star might have self-administered an overdose of the anesthetic propofol while Murray was away from his side.
While seeking access to Jackson's financial records, Chernoff added that the singer was in anguish over his financial situation and faced ruin if he failed to perform during the upcoming tour.
"The crux of the defense is going to be that Michael Jackson engaged in a desperate act and took desperate measures that caused his death," Chernoff told the judge. "We believe at the time Michael Jackson died he was a desperate man in relation to his financial affairs."
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren accused Chernoff of trying to distract from the main issue of the trial — whether Murray acted with gross negligence when he gave Jackson propofol and other sedatives on the day he died.
"This is an irrelevant sideshow designed to take issues away from the jury and smear Michael Jackson," Walgren said. "It has nothing to do with the case on which Dr. Murray is being prosecuted. "
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter. He is accused of gross negligence in administering propofol, an anesthetic not intended for home use or as a sleep aid. Jackson died of an overdose of that drug and other sedatives.
Attorney Howard Weitzman, who represents the Jackson estate, questioned the defense theory..
"Is the theory that Michael Jackson committed suicide, took his own life?" Weitzman asked. "I don't think that's a salable theory."
Defense lawyers have never used the word suicide and implied Jackson's death was accidental but self-inflicted. At a preliminary hearing for Murray, the singer was quoted by a witness as saying if he didn't sleep he would have to cancel the tour.
Chernoff's attempt to see Jackson's financial records was blocked by Judge Pastor, who said he would not allow such a "deep sea fishing" expedition.
"I'm not going to turn an involuntary manslaughter trial into some kind of an escapade in analysis of the finances in Michael Jackson's entire life," Pastor said.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13316133&page=1
Jury Search Resumes in Jackson Doctor Case
While lawyers discuss money and Michael Jackson, jury search resumes in doctor's trial
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
BY LINDA DEUTSCH AP SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT
LOS ANGELES April 7, 2011 (AP)
With lawyers raising a new theory involving money and its role in Michael Jackson's death, a judge is summoning a third panel of prospective jurors for the involuntary manslaughter case against Dr. Conrad Murray.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who has already screened 340 prospects and cleared 147 of those for availability, has said a larger pool is needed from which 12 jurors and six alternates will be chosen.
The judge, who has seen some of the answers to questionnaires from those who have the time to serve, indicated many prospects will have to be eliminated because they hold strong views on the highly publicized case. Only three of the initial pool said they hadn't heard about the upcoming trial.
After this initial phase, prospects who remain will be questioned in person beginning May 4. Pastor has set opening statements for May 9.
On Wednesday, defense lawyers disclosed a new component of their case — a claim that Jackson was on the brink of financial ruin and feared he would be unable to fulfill his commitment to a concert tour because of severe insomnia.
Attorney Edward Chernoff posed the theory that Jackson was so distraught over his inability to sleep that he took "desperate measures."
Defense lawyers previously suggested the pop star might have self-administered an overdose of the anesthetic propofol while Murray was away from his side.
While seeking access to Jackson's financial records, Chernoff added that the singer was in anguish over his financial situation and faced ruin if he failed to perform during the upcoming tour.
"The crux of the defense is going to be that Michael Jackson engaged in a desperate act and took desperate measures that caused his death," Chernoff told the judge. "We believe at the time Michael Jackson died he was a desperate man in relation to his financial affairs."
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren accused Chernoff of trying to distract from the main issue of the trial — whether Murray acted with gross negligence when he gave Jackson propofol and other sedatives on the day he died.
"This is an irrelevant sideshow designed to take issues away from the jury and smear Michael Jackson," Walgren said. "It has nothing to do with the case on which Dr. Murray is being prosecuted. "
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter. He is accused of gross negligence in administering propofol, an anesthetic not intended for home use or as a sleep aid. Jackson died of an overdose of that drug and other sedatives.
Attorney Howard Weitzman, who represents the Jackson estate, questioned the defense theory..
"Is the theory that Michael Jackson committed suicide, took his own life?" Weitzman asked. "I don't think that's a salable theory."
Defense lawyers have never used the word suicide and implied Jackson's death was accidental but self-inflicted. At a preliminary hearing for Murray, the singer was quoted by a witness as saying if he didn't sleep he would have to cancel the tour.
Chernoff's attempt to see Jackson's financial records was blocked by Judge Pastor, who said he would not allow such a "deep sea fishing" expedition.
"I'm not going to turn an involuntary manslaughter trial into some kind of an escapade in analysis of the finances in Michael Jackson's entire life," Pastor said.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13316133&page=1
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so the contract didnt name any asset by name? the defence/rowe are just presuming its was mijac etc
not a truer word spoken
Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 7th - Jury Selection Day 3
well not all parts are available to public (some parts are redacted) but on the parts you can see that stuff is backed with what MJJCompany owns with no specification.
well not all parts are available to public (some parts are redacted) but on the parts you can see that stuff is backed with what MJJCompany owns with no specification.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
ok thanks ivy. so its just a presumption
ok thanks ivy. so its just a presumption
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 7th - Jury Selection Day 3
exactly... glad to hear Walgren say that.. Murray's negligence and lack of care has nothing to do with MJ's money issues. If Murray was a caring doctor he would've known and noticed if MJ was stressed and would've referred him to a psychologist or a shrink or something instead of loading him up on propofol and sedatives. He also would've went to AEG and told them that MJ was stressed and worried and he may not be able to do these shows because he has insomnia. Murray didn't tell AEG or Ortega that MJ was sick or anything. As a matter of fact he told them both that MJ was fine and healthy and could do the shows.
I also think Murray saying MJ was fine and healthy to the insurance folks while MJ was lying there in a propofol coma is going to bury him.. Why would he say MJ was fine and healthy to the insurers but is now claiming MJ was a sick, weak , propofol addict who was stressed out over the shows and money? The jury is going to be like if you knew this why didn't you tell AEG or MJ's manager?
exactly... glad to hear Walgren say that.. Murray's negligence and lack of care has nothing to do with MJ's money issues. If Murray was a caring doctor he would've known and noticed if MJ was stressed and would've referred him to a psychologist or a shrink or something instead of loading him up on propofol and sedatives. He also would've went to AEG and told them that MJ was stressed and worried and he may not be able to do these shows because he has insomnia. Murray didn't tell AEG or Ortega that MJ was sick or anything. As a matter of fact he told them both that MJ was fine and healthy and could do the shows.
I also think Murray saying MJ was fine and healthy to the insurance folks while MJ was lying there in a propofol coma is going to bury him.. Why would he say MJ was fine and healthy to the insurers but is now claiming MJ was a sick, weak , propofol addict who was stressed out over the shows and money? The jury is going to be like if you knew this why didn't you tell AEG or MJ's manager?
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
I have read the contract (and excerpts from the book). Yeah, relevance???
I'm hoping that the judge will not allow Michael's financial specifics, other than what is already in the public domain.
The contract doesn't mention Murray specifically, or medical care for Michael, that I can remember. My recollection is that AEG was fronting Michael's expenses, including living expenses, rent on his house, and so on. It didn't at all seem to be a contract beneficial to Michael, and the ATV catalog and other of his assets were collateral, should he cancel. (It's possible that material presented at trial, including testimonies under oath, will then dove-tail into Katherine's civil suit.)
I have read the contract (and excerpts from the book). Yeah, relevance???
I'm hoping that the judge will not allow Michael's financial specifics, other than what is already in the public domain.
The contract doesn't mention Murray specifically, or medical care for Michael, that I can remember. My recollection is that AEG was fronting Michael's expenses, including living expenses, rent on his house, and so on. It didn't at all seem to be a contract beneficial to Michael, and the ATV catalog and other of his assets were collateral, should he cancel. (It's possible that material presented at trial, including testimonies under oath, will then dove-tail into Katherine's civil suit.)
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
Opening the of MJ finances door will
open a can of worms triggerring all kinds of grifting leeches
and the crazed Billy-Jean-claiming-Michael-Jackson-baby-momma of this world spewing all kinds of money lawsuits on a happy suing spree.
Bingo! Judge Pastor. Hit it on the nail.
Opening the of MJ finances door will
open a can of worms triggerring all kinds of grifting leeches
and the crazed Billy-Jean-claiming-Michael-Jackson-baby-momma of this world spewing all kinds of money lawsuits on a happy suing spree.
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Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
The defense lawyer for Conrad Murray, the physician accused of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, has claimed that the King of Pop accidentally killed himself out of despair brought on by his considerable financial problems. Edward Chernoff presented this theory yesterday during a pretrial hearing in Los Angeles, carefully avoiding the word "suicide" but implying that his fatal overdose of sedatives was self-inflicted.
"The crux of the defense is going to be that Michael Jackson engaged in a desperate act and took desperate measures that caused his death," Chernoff told Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor. "We believe at the time Michael Jackson died he was a desperate man in relation to his financial affairs."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/michael-jacksons-funeral-20090904
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren responded to Chernoff's statements by insisting that the defense's claims had nothing to do with whether or not Murray acted with gross negligence when he supplied Jackson with the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...killed-himself-over-financial-stress-20110407
Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
The defense lawyer for Conrad Murray, the physician accused of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson, has claimed that the King of Pop accidentally killed himself out of despair brought on by his considerable financial problems. Edward Chernoff presented this theory yesterday during a pretrial hearing in Los Angeles, carefully avoiding the word "suicide" but implying that his fatal overdose of sedatives was self-inflicted.
"The crux of the defense is going to be that Michael Jackson engaged in a desperate act and took desperate measures that caused his death," Chernoff told Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor. "We believe at the time Michael Jackson died he was a desperate man in relation to his financial affairs."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/michael-jacksons-funeral-20090904
Deputy District Attorney David Walgren responded to Chernoff's statements by insisting that the defense's claims had nothing to do with whether or not Murray acted with gross negligence when he supplied Jackson with the anesthetic propofol and other sedatives.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...killed-himself-over-financial-stress-20110407
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Re: Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
If MJ sold everything and paid off all the so.called debts, he would still have hundrads of millions of dollars.... but what I believe in ... is the most important thing - Michael would have never killed himself - because of his kids, he lived for them, and nothing (=money) could be more than his kids...
So... I think some financial records could be released and presented as facts that no financial stress was the cause of his death!
IMO, it was something huge, hidden and planed.
If MJ sold everything and paid off all the so.called debts, he would still have hundrads of millions of dollars.... but what I believe in ... is the most important thing - Michael would have never killed himself - because of his kids, he lived for them, and nothing (=money) could be more than his kids...
So... I think some financial records could be released and presented as facts that no financial stress was the cause of his death!
IMO, it was something huge, hidden and planed.
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Re: Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
bullsh*t!
Michael would NEVER do something like that.
bullsh*t!
Michael would NEVER do something like that.
Re: Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
I really start to be pissed off. It's the trial of the killer dealer Murray and they try every week to trash Mike with bullshit!
If Mike wanted to commit suicide, he would have done in 1993 or 2003-2004 or before june 2005.
Pissed off! The news just speak about that, and they don't say nothing about the bastard of Murray, THE FAKE DOCTOR WHO INJECTED THE PROPOFOL!
I really start to be pissed off. It's the trial of the killer dealer Murray and they try every week to trash Mike with bullshit!
If Mike wanted to commit suicide, he would have done in 1993 or 2003-2004 or before june 2005.
Pissed off! The news just speak about that, and they don't say nothing about the bastard of Murray, THE FAKE DOCTOR WHO INJECTED THE PROPOFOL!
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Re: Defense Lawyer Claims Michael Jackson Killed Himself Over Financial Stress
Exactly Diplomate... if MJ was going to off himself he would've done that when he was threatened to go to jail for 20 years for a crime he didn't commit. Murray is just pissing me off too.. He's reckless, non-compassionate and is out to save his own behind. I really wish MJ would've been able to weed out folks better because Murray is obviously a con artist who is a rogue doctor that only cared about the cash.. He hasn't shown one ounce of remorse or regret for killing MJ.
Exactly Diplomate... if MJ was going to off himself he would've done that when he was threatened to go to jail for 20 years for a crime he didn't commit. Murray is just pissing me off too.. He's reckless, non-compassionate and is out to save his own behind. I really wish MJ would've been able to weed out folks better because Murray is obviously a con artist who is a rogue doctor that only cared about the cash.. He hasn't shown one ounce of remorse or regret for killing MJ.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...nt-with-aeg-a-contract-or-a-letter-of-intent/
This site just did a detail analyst of the AEG and Mj contract, it's not nice at all it's three part,
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/20...nt-with-aeg-a-contract-or-a-letter-of-intent/
This site just did a detail analyst of the AEG and Mj contract, it's not nice at all it's three part,
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
And why should I or anyone else care about what they think?
And why should I or anyone else care about what they think?
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
My question is do you guys agree with what Rowe was saying?? I remember he was talking about collateral but also why he felt the deal wasn't the best deal for MJ. Remember he was talking about how they fronted MJ alot of money for housing, paying employees, the startup cost of the tour(which isn't unusual), how the attorney that drafted MJ contract also worked for AEG(or something like that), and how he felt they were cheating him out of money. I brought this up because in one of the articles a few pages ago..... It was said that he wasn't gonna make enough money from the tour. I just wanted to hear others insight on it and whether Rowe was lying or not, cause I don't understand it besides how he broke it down in the book.
My question is do you guys agree with what Rowe was saying?? I remember he was talking about collateral but also why he felt the deal wasn't the best deal for MJ. Remember he was talking about how they fronted MJ alot of money for housing, paying employees, the startup cost of the tour(which isn't unusual), how the attorney that drafted MJ contract also worked for AEG(or something like that), and how he felt they were cheating him out of money. I brought this up because in one of the articles a few pages ago..... It was said that he wasn't gonna make enough money from the tour. I just wanted to hear others insight on it and whether Rowe was lying or not, cause I don't understand it besides how he broke it down in the book.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
Lets see Murray financials, and who knows, maybe will find out more. Conrad was a despair man, and he took despair measurement to stay a float (he had huge debts), and that is why he was shooting MJJ with addictive drugs.
Conrad told insurance that MJJ was fine. The contract wasn't signed for him to accompanied MJJ in London. Murray has anger issue. Michael Jackson kept cash in the house, but non were found.
People have killed for less. Murray is not different. I strongly think, it wasn't accident. Something happened, god damned, I wish I was a fly on the wall that day.
If the judge allow MJJ's financials, prosecutor should ask for Conrad's financials as well. Why not? Conrad gave MJJ high addictive drugs like Benzodiazepine, and other. It is obvious, that Murray didn't take care of MJJ as a patient, he wasn't thinking of treating MJJ, no way. Conrad needed MJJ being depended on him, and it was all for money.
Lets see Murray financials, and who knows, maybe will find out more. Conrad was a despair man, and he took despair measurement to stay a float (he had huge debts), and that is why he was shooting MJJ with addictive drugs.
Conrad told insurance that MJJ was fine. The contract wasn't signed for him to accompanied MJJ in London. Murray has anger issue. Michael Jackson kept cash in the house, but non were found.
People have killed for less. Murray is not different. I strongly think, it wasn't accident. Something happened, god damned, I wish I was a fly on the wall that day.
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I don't know about you guys, but Alvarez behave was suspicious to me on 25th june 2009. I mean, he took orders from Murray, even though he knew something was wrong when he entered the room. Helped Murray to clean up the place, then called 911?!?! What f@$^ing bodyguard he is? For whom he was working for, MJJ or Murray?
If I was bodyguard, and see something was going on, I would have pulled a gun, or knock the doctor, and call 911. Alvarez behave puzzles me the most.
I don't know about you guys, but Alvarez behave was suspicious to me on 25th june 2009. I mean, he took orders from Murray, even though he knew something was wrong when he entered the room. Helped Murray to clean up the place, then called 911?!?! What f@$^ing bodyguard he is? For whom he was working for, MJJ or Murray?
If I was bodyguard, and see something was going on, I would have pulled a gun, or knock the doctor, and call 911. Alvarez behave puzzles me the most.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
And how is this going to absolve you, Murray from your gross negligence?...
Next!
This nothing but a lame excuse going the backdoor way to MJ's estate finances. Anyone with half a brain can see through that.....
Pathetic!
And how is this going to absolve you, Murray from your gross negligence?...
Next!
This nothing but a lame excuse going the backdoor way to MJ's estate finances. Anyone with half a brain can see through that.....
Pathetic!
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
alberto didnt know what had happened. the dr was already there. murrays the dr you take you orders from him as hes supposed to be the one in control. for all alberto knew or thought that he was putting away something that was dodgy or as he testfiyed to that he thought he was putting stuff in the bag to take it to the hospital. tbh i dont know how much training alberto had or what job he had done b4. was he police or army? or maybe nothing at all which led to him in some ppls eyes to taking the wrong option
alberto didnt know what had happened. the dr was already there. murrays the dr you take you orders from him as hes supposed to be the one in control. for all alberto knew or thought that he was putting away something that was dodgy or as he testfiyed to that he thought he was putting stuff in the bag to take it to the hospital. tbh i dont know how much training alberto had or what job he had done b4. was he police or army? or maybe nothing at all which led to him in some ppls eyes to taking the wrong option
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
yeah I gotta agree with you here,,,,imo,,Alberto is not to blame for what happened...he was only doing what Murray...the one who was the Doctor in-charge..told him to do...hell...even when 911 heard there was a doc on the scene they felt comfortable hanging up the phone...if we all remember right..even in the ambulance ride they let Murray call the shots because he was the doc on scene. Everyone was following proper protocol..little did they know Murray was lieing about the whole scenario.
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
But, Alberto could have at least told authorities that Murray had him put evidence in a bag once they interviewed him and he did not! Only until he was at the Pre-trial is when he spilled the beans about that! SMH And saying he might write a book was stupid!
Everybody who was there on June 25th credibility and motives are on the line here and we don't need anyone forgetting details of what happened on that day nor selling stories about it for money!
But, Alberto could have at least told authorities that Murray had him put evidence in a bag once they interviewed him and he did not! Only until he was at the Pre-trial is when he spilled the beans about that! SMH And saying he might write a book was stupid!
Everybody who was there on June 25th credibility and motives are on the line here and we don't need anyone forgetting details of what happened on that day nor selling stories about it for money!
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dont know if the below has been posted. it has more info on the motions filed. note the one by the pros to use taped recordings of murrays interview. so they do have him on tape telling all his diff versions. very important that it wasnt just written down. murray cant denie now
how pathetic. so hes the king of pop when it suits them. you should apologise for dieing mj
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Re: Status hearings discussion thread / next hearing April 6th - Klein & Branca Subpoena
has the pros even said they are gonna use any pics of mj etc? sound to me like a P.R tactic more than anything from the defence and desperation as normal.
has the pros even said they are gonna use any pics of mj etc? sound to me like a P.R tactic more than anything from the defence and desperation as normal.
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True and in the moment of things I'm sure they were very panicked... Now we could go back and say who did what wrong
True and in the moment of things I'm sure they were very panicked... Now we could go back and say who did what wrong