Rolling Stones are a DISGRACE!!!

I'm pretty sure that Billboard has reported several times that Eagles Greatest Hits Vol 1 is the biggest selling album in history and other media outlets have repeated that. I've seen it.


And they were wrong the whole time. But only from a certain point of view. In the limited world view of "America" as the whole world. Your point though?
 
Bowie, Jagger or Presley never got charged with anything though it is a big difference in public perception because 99% of,the people aren’t even aware of those things. Besides that if they weren’t charged then I guess it happened under consent.

I don’t want to defend them I’m just pointing out there is a nuance.
That is true. The mainstream news of their era didn't really get into celebrity gossip anyway like modern news, it was more serious. I doubt Walter Cronkite would have been talking about the Kardashian family if they had been around during his day. They wouldn't have become famous in the first place. 😅

But it was widely reported, even on MTV News at the time that Aaliyah & R. Kelly were married, and nothing happened to his career until recently. You Are Not Alone was recorded a few years after the marriage was ended. It's unlikely that Mike didn't know about it. Also today, Chris Brown still get hit singles and he is social media era where he has many news reports of bad behavior, not just the Rihanna thing. But the mainstream career of Jerry Lee Lewis was killed in the 1950s when it was reported he married his teen cousin. A lot of the older generation, especially white people, wanted rock n roll to go away in the first place. They didn't want their teenage children listening to it. Same for the 1980s Tipper Gore PMRC era which resulted labels started putting warning stickers on albums.
 

And they were wrong the whole time. But only from a certain point of view. In the limited world view of "America" as the whole world. Your point though?
Your earlier comment implied that Billboard is more legit than RS, when it's not much different. It does not matter if it is true or not. Billboard is not just read in the USA, the online version can be read anywhere. But most of the current charts can't be seen unless you pay to read it though. The public do not have to read Billboard or Rolling Stone at all. I've seen the Eagles thing reported on the TV show Entertainment Tonight, and also many regular news reports when Glenn Frey passed away. But it is also not true that Thriller has sold 104 million which was put on a hype sticker on a reissue of it. That was put out by Sony.
 
Your earlier comment implied that Billboard is more legit than RS, when it's not much different. It does not matter if it is true or not. Billboard is not just read in the USA, the online version can be read anywhere. But most of the current charts can't be seen unless you pay to read it though. The public do not have to read Billboard or Rolling Stone at all. I've seen the Eagles thing reported on the TV show Entertainment Tonight, and also many regular news reports when Glenn Frey passed away. But it is also not true that Thriller has sold 104 million which was put on a hype sticker on a reissue of it. That was put out by Sony.
It's confirmed 66 million worldwide, at least 51.2 have been certified as of late.
 
I think in reality you can pinch at least 15 million off of every artists‘ tally, hype is real
 
Your earlier comment implied that Billboard is more legit than RS, when it's not much different.
And no it did not. I said I read billboard more. Don't read into me. I'll read literally anything other than rolling stones if I bother with a music site at all. The only other thing I said was that billboard has a revolving door of biases while RS is consistently biased for the same oldies, mostly Bob Dylan and the "righteous" 60s.
 
@AlwaysThere Bowie, Jagger or Presley never got charged with anything though it is a big difference in public perception because 99% of,the people aren’t even aware of those things. Besides that if they weren’t charged then I guess it happened under consent.

I don’t want to defend them I’m just pointing out there is a nuance.
Public coverage is absolutely the reason why those artists aren’t held to a similar standard. Therein lies my issue.

If criminal charges are the litmus test for whether or not allegations matter, the only claim anyone should be able to hold against MJ is the Arvizo case—and even then, he was acquitted. The double standard at play is, and has always been, frustrating.
 
Public coverage is absolutely the reason why those artists aren’t held to a similar standard. Therein lies my issue.

If criminal charges are the litmus test for whether or not allegations matter, the only claim anyone should be able to hold against MJ is the Arvizo case—and even then, he was acquitted. The double standard at play is, and has always been, frustrating.
MJ coverage is majority of the time negative

They like to think "Where there's smoke, there's fire"

And people love to, let's face it, condemn guys who are nice and successful.
 
You kind of have to look at the kind of music & the audience of a particular artist. Rock artists are supposed to be bad boys - "sex, drugs & rock n roll". In general rock bands primarily appealed to a white male audience. That's how most of the top 50 biggest selling acts are white male rock acts. It's not a big deal to a rock audience if Ozzy Osbourne did a lot of drugs, snorted ants, and bit into bats and doves. Ozzy's antics are considered funny. You can kind of say Ozzy & his family helped popularize the reality show, it gave him a new younger fanbase. But if Whitney Houston does drugs, she is condemned, and was said to be hurting her career. The difference is that Whitney had a squeaky clean image with a church background. That wasn't expected of her like it is with a Mötley Crüe, whose members have flatlined for a few minutes, involved in a car wreck that somebody died in, and had a sex tape with Pamela Anderson. They even wrote a band autobiography called The Dirt, which later a biopic was based on. That's why some people was surprised Whitney married Bobby Brown (who had a more street image) and rumored to have a lesbian relationship.

In hip hop, it was part of the promotion of 50 Cent that he was shot a bunch of times. That was not really considered a negative, neither was Snoop Dogg being in a murder case early in his career. Today he has a cooking show with Martha Stewart (who has actually been in prison unlike Snoop). There was the "East Coast/West Coast" thing in the 1990s that resulted in the deaths of Tupac & Notorious B.I.G. Today, not a month goes by where a current rapper gets murdered, most notably Takeoff from Migos. But that has never hurt the popularity of hip hop. Just like the "27 Club" in rock music. The audience (rather than the press) ignores that or considers it part of the genre. Gene Simmons can say all kinds of things and KISS fans still go see them and buy their merchandise. Same for the rock singer Ted Nugent. Technically they are not mainstream in the way a Whitney or Mike is. Although some companies have dropped him, don't think that people have stopped listening to Kanye West's music. But The Dixie Chicks were banned from many country music stations (and some of the country audience stopped listening to their music) because Natalie Maines said she was embarrased to be from the same state as George W. Bush.
 
MJ coverage is majority of the time negative

They like to think "Where there's smoke, there's fire"

And people love to, let's face it, condemn guys who are nice and successful.
It is because it involves children, it is an extra sensitive topic. The press is negative but at the same time there is often praise for him as well despite the allegations. I can’t think of anyone else who is still talked about in a positive light by millions of people after such allegations. This is of course because there was never any proof he did something wrong, people are on the fence so they speak in double tongue. They like his music but at the same feel worried about the allegations so you always get these double feelings. It is hard to deal with.

If your neighbor is an alleged pedophile would you still want to be seen with him? Maybe he is innocent but you don’t know it so you don’t really talk bad about him but you don‘t want to get close to him either. It is a difficult situation.

Of course there are true haters as well and they are often the loudest because they are in the minority.

To close this off I absolutely want to emphasize that I believe he is innocent so don’t start shouting like a lunatic I’m a hater. I have to warn you about that or I will have to face you in real life and fight you man to man just like Lotfi does ( bless you i’m just teasing). 😉
 
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It is because it involves children, it is an extra sensitive topic.
I think it's more that the allegations involve (white) male teens. Again, not many people cared about R. Kelly (at least until Me Too came along), probably because it was (black) teen girls. I've never seen it, but I know people who have watched that video when it was leaked and said it was Kelly and still continued to buy his CDs and he was still played a lot on the radio. A lot of artists continued to work with him. It's the same with the rock guys with young groupies, it was generally straight sex, not homosexual sex. Remember, in the USA at least, few if any males in the past were publicly "out" and that was usually in disco & dance music. It was likely no accident that rock fans in the 1970s called their anti-disco campaign "disco sucks". Elton John was married to a woman, Queen (the band) career in the USA pretty much ended when they did that music video in drag. Even Boy George claimed to be bisexual, until he later got a paternity suit.
 
I think it's more that the allegations involve (white) male teens. Again, not many people cared about R. Kelly (at least until Me Too came along), probably because it was (black) teen girls. I've never seen it, but I know people who have watched that video when it was leaked and said it was Kelly and still continued to buy his CDs and he was still played a lot on the radio. A lot of artists continued to work with him. It's the same with the rock guys with young groupies, it was generally straight sex, not homosexual sex. Remember, in the USA at least, few if any males in the past were publicly "out" and that was usually in disco & dance music. It was likely no accident that rock fans in the 1970s called their anti-disco campaign "disco sucks". Elton John was married to a woman, Queen (the band) career in the USA pretty much ended when they did that music video in drag. Even Boy George claimed to be bisexual, until he later got a paternity suit.
So you just confirmed that they only care about crimes against white people, they only value music "made" by Caucasians, and they hated a "minority" genre and also anything even inherently gay.
 
It is because it involves children, it is an extra sensitive topic. The press is negative but at the same time there is often praise for him as well despite the allegations. I can’t think of anyone else who is still talked about in a positive light by millions of people after such allegations. This is of course because there was never any proof he did something wrong, people are on the fence so they speak in double tongue. They like his music but at the same feel worried about the allegations so you always get these double feelings. It is hard to deal with.
There is also the fact that Michael Jackson had already been dead when the 'Leaving Neverland' documentary aired.

So, these allegations from these two men are going to remain just allegations and claims because Michael Jackson cannot defend himself.

Of course, there are also many people who still buy his albums and listen to his music although they are firmly convinced that Michael Jackson was a child molester.

These people, when they are asked why they are doing that, they say that they separate his art from his personal life.
 
This website features many instances where MJ gets more favorable placings in various categories. Not sure how these are created though I think people vote for it some way.

Michael is top 20 in various categories except for the best vocalist, he isn’t even mentioned in this list Which is odd off course but it is what it is.

 
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So you just confirmed that they only care about crimes against white people, they only value music "made" by Caucasians, and they hated a "minority" genre and also anything even inherently gay.
Well, look at the Superbowl. Janet was blacklisted by Les Moonves, but nothing happened to Justin Timberlake. Justin became even more popular. Tevin Campbell & George Michael stopped getting airplay for their new music (in the USA) after their restroom arrests. If they were trying to pick up women instead of men, I doubt that would have happened, like Hugh Grant with a (black) female prostitute. All Hugh did was make an apology to the public on Jay Leno and it was all good. Comedians made jokes about it, but Hugh's career continued. Rick James was able to resurrect his career after getting out of prison, but George Michael couldn't after only getting arrested (in the USA). Although in George's case it didn't help that he spent years fighting Sony well before the restroom incident. Sony (Tommy Mattola) kinda sabotaged his career in the USA.

Ever since Hollywood movie studios & the music recording industry existed, there has been a "casting couch" and decades ago the mafia had their hands in all of American entertainment. Notice that Billboard magazine used mob terms like "hit" & "number 1 with a bullet".
 
Latest from Rolling Stones regarding the list:

“Keep in mind that this is the Greatest Singers list, not the Greatest Voices List. Talent is impressive; genius is transcendent.”


Hahaha, this just keeps getting better
I don’t get the distinction. But what do I care! To hell with Rolling Stone Magazine.
 
What an utter disgrace and a total insult to Michael Jackson.

These lists are always subjective but Bob Dylan, John Lennon and bloody Prince , a better singer than MJ?

Michael as a child singer alone was far superior to most on that list😂

I am raging, the impact he had on music and the pure joy he brought to millions, yet is placed 86?

What the actual fuck!!
 
Thought this was about the band at first, got confused. Then I opened the thread and well, yup, checks out, as always. Surprised, I am not.

What I'm more surprised about is that they didn't put Harry Styles at #1. Sorry, I just had to! I'm not actually all that sorry

Anyway. those lists are always just silly to me. I'd have been angrier if I hadn't already considered Rolling Stone garbage, or if I cared more about those types of lists to begin with. Though, I do think the placement is still very silly as well, of course.
 
@AlwaysThere Bowie, Jagger or Presley never got charged with anything though it is a big difference in public perception because 99% of,the people aren’t even aware of those things. Besides that if they weren’t charged then I guess it happened under consent.

I don’t want to defend them I’m just pointing out there is a nuance.
Don't wanna talk about this topic too much, for obvious reasons, but that's not really how consent works. Ever heard of "statutory rape"? Point is that under a certain age, which depends on the jurisdiction, an individual legally cannot consent to sex.
 
Have we all been living in some weird multiverse?
This is what they said factored in

“"In all cases, what mattered most to us was originality, influence, the depth of an artist’s catalog, and the breadth of their musical legacy."

Now please make sense of his placement. This is a deliberate insult to him and everyone knows it. This has nothing to do with his artistry.
Originality, influence, the depth of their catalog and musical legacy.......

Yeah let's put Jackson in 86th.

Who have we been listening to and loving for decades and decades due to their incredible voice and songs?

Clearly not Michael Jackson, he's shit. have we been fooled all this time?

Aaliyah more influential and 46 places above MJ, no worries Rolling Stone.
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Yep, I’m not shocked. Top 100 in history is very good.
I know or have heard of several people who can’t stand his voice and especially the way he sings with hiccups and woo’s etc. It is not for everyone.

I personally find it totally engaging and unique but it is not for everyone.

Funny though that although his voice might 'not have been for everyone' he sold millions upon millions more than the majority of that top 200 list.

Not bad for someone who's voice is not for everyone 😉
 
Have we all been living in some weird multiverse?

Originality, influence, the depth of their catalog and musical legacy.......

Yeah let's put Jackson in 86th.

Who have we been listening to and loving for decades and decades due to their incredible voice and songs?

Clearly not Michael Jackson, he's shit. have we been fooled all this time?

Aaliyah more influential and 46 places above MJ, no worries Rolling Stone.
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It’s just so ridiculous that you cannot help but laugh
 
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