Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

[la_cienega]

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LaCienega I agree with you. There is always occasions which call for Fans to Act. I don't like that we do this piece meal or always react haphazardly with our plans. We need to be more structured. This should be a lesson for us, so that something like this does not happen to fans' actions in the future. We need to have some private network where people alert others to act when any seller/manufacturer/promoter wants fans to buy products that are gross misrepresentations of Michael.

We don't want fans spending their money on shoddy products. Right now all Michael's detractors spend their time lurking on our boards & social media. Maybe people's e-mail can be made available in a private area and then teams systematically alert all members worldwide when an action needs to be taken, but something needs to be done in a more organized manner.

Some time in the 90s I was in an office & there was something going on between the Jews in Isreal & Arabs. Do you know that the Jewish people in the office all got letters calling them to action from an organization here in the US. It seems this organization has a list of Jews and their work addresses, or information on how to contact them. I think we should use this as an example of being organized & set up some protocol.

Well, we could do a Facebook group because it's more accessible and immediate to most people.

You can set Facebook groups to Secret and Invite only, so nobody outside knows about them or can see them, and only I think the owner can invite members.

That to me seems like an easy way to alert people to things, but of course discussion in Facebook is much harder. But if it's just about alerting people to these types of things and organizing them, we could do that.

And just collect enough "real" MJ fans (no journalists, lurkers) as possible who would want to be involved in these kinds of things to invite.

 

[Petrarose]

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I did report abuse to Amazon about the fake reviews but they are not paying attention to that and letting them stand.

The complaints should be about reviewers targeting fans only. If you complain about the fake reviews, then Amazon could delete most of the 1 reviews that they feel are not detailed enough to be a proper review, so both sides will lose here. The main significant thing that is suspicious for Amazon is the article comes out and on the same day all these reviews are posted and all the 1 reviews are down graded. It is too much of a coincidence.

Lacienga I like your idea. We need fans from around the world from all the forums, because you see what happened in the voting. Once I voted once my next vote did not count, so we need several people so that each vote/comment counts.

 

[HIStory]

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I just don't like this book being seen as legitimate and Sullivan has played it up. Poor him is being suppressed. Poor little baby. He knows it gives his book something interesting now. That there's any reaction to it at all. It must be good if it's hated by the psycho fans!

LOL, yeah, with all that mainstream media backing he's being suppressed. And all the sheep are buying it as usual. LOL.

 

[jamba]

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i edited my comment to zero

 

[Robbsaber01]

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The worst part is that meserau is supporting this book....

 

[jamba]

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Maybe emailing Amazon and asking them why they are letting offensive comments that attack other reviewers go by? I did and said I was a customer who bought books and wrote reviews and I did not appreciate having my reviewing efforts called crazy, sick, demented, etc.

This is only A SUGGESTION--so please don't attack me, ok??

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Has this hideous campaign worked so far to increase the sales so far? Which MJ hard core fan would waste his/her money on a book full of tabloid bs or would stand reading it? Common sense...

 

[la_cienega]

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Has this hideous campaign worked so far to increase the sales so far? Which MJ hard core fan would waste his/her money on a book full of tabloid bs or would stand reading it? Common sense...

Yup, thanks to this mess it's now down in the 1000s in sales on book and Kindle.

So it's a big increase from before.

A lesson learned about never letting your enemies see your moves, huh.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^ I bet the ones buying it are casual fans or haters... ARE THEY FREAKING KIDDING!? :doh:
I hope more negative reviews on the book work to put it down again...

 

[HIStory]

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It's not the Amazon reviews why people are buying it, it's the NY Time article which was also taken over by Yahoo and other outlets.
And with all the media support people now think he's some poor, poor suppressed fellow. Unreal how uncritical people are of the things they read in the media! The freaking NY Times article itself listed the nation-wide media Sullivan appeared in to promote his book and people think he's suppressed because of a few 1-star fan reviews on Amazon? Crazy.

But I still don't think this buzz will make it the bestseller he and his publisher hoped for.

 

[la_cienega]

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And in the future when he tries to become the Next Taraborrelli, he will be trashed.

These 5 star reviewers won't care and won't pay attention, but any documentary, magazine, article anywhere, we will be there to remind him of what a crap journalist he is.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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Lets hope people who bought it realize about Sullivan's lies, ridiculousness and ask for their money back then. NYT is supposedly a serious and credible news paper, :wtf:!

 

[la_cienega]

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^ Will never happen.

 

[HIStory]

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Lets hope people who bought it realize about Sullivan's lies, ridiculousness and ask for their money back then. NYT is supposedly a serious and credible news paper, :wtf:!

So called "serious" and "credible" newspapers become tabloid when it comes to Michael Jackson.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^ I've read news related to my country that Mexican media don't wanna say as well as US media don't wanna say either that's why I thought NYT was credible and I didn't know they haven't been fair and professional towards MJ.

 

[bluetopez]

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I hope those who buy it suffer through reading all 700 pages of that crap, for wasting their money on rehash tabloid trash. The jokes on u and u deserve it! :cheeky:

 

[Petrarose]

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i edited my comment to zero

Ha ^^ so funny!!

Blue hopefully they return the book, the way I made my brother return the one he bought.

Yeap the NYT follow the same media format for Michael. They focus on the usual points no matter what topic is discussed. If it is about the Bad doc, they will mention the surgeries, etc were not included. You know the usual thing.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I hope those who buy it suffer through reading all 700 pages of that crap, for wasting their money on rehash tabloid trash. The jokes on u and u deserve it! :cheeky:

Deborah from Reflections on the dance floor is reading to offer a fair analysis of its content, I understand her fairness but I also see it as a way to give it more publicity. Luckily she realized why many of us are upset.

 

[Petrarose]

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Deborah from Reflections on the dance floor is reading to offer a fair analysis of its content, I understand her fairness but I also see it as a way to give it more publicity. Luckily she realized why many of us are upset.

She should have done this in November when people were reading the excerpts from the magazines. If she does this now it is like reintroducing this book again. Oh well, people will do what they want to do.

 

[jamba]

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"The complaints should be about reviewers targeting fans only." Petrarose

Yes, that's a good point. I did write to Amazon customer service and I said as a purchaser and reviewer of books relating to Michael I objected to their letting reviewers attack other reviewers, indulging in a bunch of offensive name-calling like demented, cultish, zombies, worshippers, etc. They replied that my comment was passed to a team and that they will review each review to see if it meets their guidelines. I hope that's the case b/c they should not let hate speech in their reviews, and this is what some people are doing--just ripping into other reviewers who gave the book a negative rating, and Michael too.

It's one thing to be critical and another to indulge in name-calling and abusive, offensive language when you are supposedly writing a review. Amazon needs to step up b/c there are other places to buy, sell, review books.

 

[bluetopez]

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Deborah from Reflections on the dance floor is reading to offer a fair analysis of its content, I understand her fairness but I also see it as a way to give it more publicity. Luckily she realized why many of us are upset.

I honestly have only seen her quoting T-Mez parts and going with that as a reason to give the book a chance since the beginning. When she first started defending the book it was only for T-Mez and she admitted to have not read the book yet. And given all the efforts she has put into given both Sullivan and T-Mez a platform to sell this book, IMO I don't see her backing down after she reads it fully. I think she might just keep on with the T-Mez parts because that is the only strong point she can make about this book and obviously he does too, as if that's enough!

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I'd post the link for her comments on the book but I'm using my iPod to post here and the links look different when I paste them from it. She has that idea to ask and confront Sullivan about it, she'll also interview Tom Mesereau and David Nordahl to give their opinions on the book. We already know Tom's but it'd be ingesting to know David's since he was one of Michael's friends. Regardless her intentions, I see it as a way to promote that book...

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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I can quote it though, since her fb page and blog has many followers and rely on her opinions...

I am still reading the book and my husband is reading it along with me for an additional viewpoint. David Nordahl has also been gracious enough not only to agree to doing the interview with me, but also to read the book himself so that we can discuss truth behind different stories shared in the book, etc. I will not go into details at this point on the book other than to say that I have very mixed feelings and can see at some points and in some of the things that have been stated in the book or the ways they have been stated, why fans have been upset. I can also see at certain points Mr. Mesereau's point of the book showing all of the craziness surrounding Michael and all of the people around Michael who, many of them acting selfishly and just wanting something from him. There is a lot of ugliness. I am only up to Chapter 8 due to my note taking, my husband is up to Chapter 16. I will withhold further comment or judgment until I have read the entire book and then will conduct all of the interviews, including the questions you had all previously sent in for Mr. Mesereau and Mr. Sullivan. I ask that we please don't go into bitter commenting here, I am only sharing this to update you as to where I am in this process. ?

Recently, I was sent links to the NY Times article on the Sullivan book/fan debacle. Quite a few fans sent this to me via email and some posted the link to this page asking me to read it. I have just gone to read it now. My problem with this kind of publicity in regards to the fan base is that it is negative and highlights unethical and dishonest practices, such as groups telling fans to give one star reviews and rejoicing publicly about the downfall. Even if we dislike this book and strongly disagree with it, its is my opinion that we must act with dignity. In some of these cases, that was not the case. I believe this is largely one of the things that upset Mr. Mesereau, going by what he asked me to share with the fans.Whether we like it or not, the fan base, to the public, represents in some ways, Michael Jackson. People are judged by who they keep company with and whether it's fair or not, our actions as a fan community bring further judgment to Michael himself. There are some statements mentioned in this article insinuating that the book contains not one truthful fact. This is untrue and there are quite a few things in the book that are factual and that corroborate with stories I was told. However, there are also other things that I disagree with and that oppose what I have been told by trusted sources.This is the very reason that I am reading this book, as unpleasant as some of this process has been for me and as much as I would honestly like to quit right now at this moment and finally be able to have some peace and normalcy in my life, and why I agreed to do the interviews I am going to do...so that we can bring about truth in a hopefully dignified manner and get to the bottom of what is factual and what isn't. Mr. Nordahl's input into this is going to be very important. Because I was sent this link by so many, I felt it was necessary to give my feedback on the article and to reiterate why I am reading and doing these upcoming interviews despite how unpleasant this whole task is.

 

[la_cienega]

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^ Why is she an authority on who Jackson was? You don't need to know anyone around Jackson to come to the conclusion that so much of what is written is baseless. Why is anyone acting as if this book is so important to both Jackson and the fans that we MUST delve deeper into it like we won't survive without it?

I like David Nordahl but we don't need him to go over this book in order to come to the determination that so much is piffle - we know Lisa and MJ really married and it wasn't a sham, we know he had a nose, we know he had vitiligo, we know he had lupus, we know Jordan and the Chandler's were full of BS, we know MJ did not masturbate on the phone to children. Why would you need to speak to an outside source to confirm that? Just do basic research.

Sorry, she's just helping push this book further, and she's too busy wanting to seem "nice" to realize she's just being used. Fans should not be doormats. If we don't demand writer's treat stories with integrity, who will? If she kisses his ass, it just encourages the solidification of the perception of Jackson with people: noseless, sexless, genderless, raceless, childless. Is that something she wants to help spread just because she wants to be nice to this poor man who was paid to do a proper job, and is not doing some charity effort?

Yes, there were crazy people around Jackson - and this book makes Sullivan someone to add to the collection. He isn't an observer to this madness, he is an active circus leader and participant.

I'm not going to pander and kiss anyone's ass just because they don't outright condemn him.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^ I stated earlier I disagreed with her intentions because she's promoting that book, I considered appropriate to post it because she's in a way helping Sullivan to get more attention for his book and since she has many followers she may change their minds. And I don't get how she thinks she's helping MJ this time knowing S. doesn't even believe in MJ's innocence.

 

[Bubs]

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I like David Nordahl but we don't need him to go over this book in order to come to the determination that so much is piffle - we know Lisa and MJ really married and it wasn't a sham, we know he had a nose, we know he had vitiligo, we know he had lupus, we know Jordan and the Chandler's were full of BS, we know MJ did not masturbate on the phone to children. Why would you need to speak to an outside source to confirm that? Just do basic research.

I agree with your post, especially the part above.

 

[HIStory]

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I hope those who buy it suffer through reading all 700 pages of that crap, for wasting their money on rehash tabloid trash. The jokes on u and u deserve it! :cheeky:

Some of those 5-star "reviews" by people who obviously did not read the book say that the book "exposes MJ as a pedophile". Imagine how disappointed all the gossip-hungry people will be who buy it and read through 700 pages of incoherent bore for some explosive revelation. LOL.

BTW, I wonder what T-Mez thinks when he sees all those "reviews" calling MJ a pedo, pathetic etc. The book really did not have the effect on the general public that he hoped for.

 

[bluetopez]

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So she is reading the book, her husband and MJ long time painter? To share their opinions on the book and basically rip it apart to determine what is true and what is not? Well...Gee call me crazy but, isn't that what fans especially on Amazon with very detail reviews have been doin since the VERY beginning? Hmm...whatta ya know, it is!

 

[la_cienega]

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So she is reading the book, her husband and MJ long time painter? Too share their opinions on the book and basically rip it apart to determine what is true and what is not? Well ..gee call me crazy but, isn't that what fans especially on Amazon with very details reviews have been doin since the VERY beginning? Hmm...whatta ya know, it is. I'm sorry but it's insulting for her to make it sound like many of us don't know our facts and need some help when it comes to MJ and the ridiculous things he has been accused of.

Right, why do we need him or her as an authority before we make our own judgement?

She's acting like only she can make this determination about what a valid book this is.

I mean, we all have our opinions, but using facts and citations should be enough. Can she not respect the fans who have gone over everything to comb through for facts? She doesn't think we know if Lisa and MJ were a real couple until she gets someone to confirm it for us?

I'm only annoyed she's giving this guy more attention, and thanks to her more fans will be duped into paying out for a book that is not worth it. Fans don't need to hear what Sullivan says, we really don't.

There are interesting and important leads about the allegations that can be followed and explored, and we can try and get more justice for him in that way, this book is not going to help in that direction, no matter how nice or religious (she's happy Sullivan is also religious) of a guy he is.

 

[ivy]

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Deborah Kunesh from ROTD is too focused on her "exclusive" interview with Sullivan to realize other people's problem with this book. Of course she's going to justify her actions by acting like she's doing a service to us all. The reality is that she only defended the book because she was in communications with T-Mez and in her nice and religious act she didn't have the nerve to disagree with him. Her support for the book have started without reading one sentence from the book.

This interview is nothing more than a promotion and justification of the book. She will be giving Sullivan another platform to spread his lies and attack the fans -but what's new? Deborah had also allowed Dick Zimmerman to insult fans through her pages as well. Either she's willingly doing it or being used is another argument. Also her interview timing is quite meaningless, the book has been out for 2 months, fans have already read and made their minds. Deborah is still reading the book and then will do an interview and then will arrange and post it. It'll take months to do and by that time it'll be totally irrelevant.