[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[Justthefacts]

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That its why they won't give the family a dime. Don't want any blame for Michael's death

 

[jamba]

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that's way too long. I would think that after the notice is sent (after 3 to 5 missed payments) the timeline would be 150 days (minimum) to 415 days (maximum).

Yes, you are right, Ivy, what I said was way too long. From what I read the minimum time could be around 8 months to auction in the worst case scenario. My main point was that Hayvenhurst was not in immanent danger of sale and that the process, which had not yet been started although Michael was behind in payments, would have taken some time.

 

[jamba]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Michael lived with insomnia for years, so what makes you think he never asked for appropriate help? Simple because it did not work, does not mean he did not get appropriate help.

We do know, Petra, that he did seek help, for example, from nurse Cheryl Lee (sp?), but he got discouraged and gave up on her holistic approach. She was not a sleep therapist. The main reason I think this insomnia was undertreated (and agree with Michael C. Barnes statement that I quoted before) is that it was not resolved without some kind of medication, which means there was not natural sleep going on. I read some sleep therapists who say the underlying issues that cause the insomnia must be addressed, but were they in Mike's case? I don't think so--they might have been related to his pain issues--pain will keep you awake for sure--or anxiety issues. Personally, I thionk there were deep issues that needed a long term solution.

When you think of the various issues, they were enormous. Childhood pain, bullying by the media and the prosecutors, severe scalp burns, lupus, vitiligo, a 50-fall onto a concrete floor in a metal crane (back pain), threats to have your children taken away, etc. Even just looking at one of these would be a huge thing for most people to deal with. Bullying, which went on for decades, can also cause a lot of issues, both physical and psychological, including anxiety and insomnia and depression, etc. The financial, legal issues alone could cause insomnia too. To say he was a drug addict etc is way too false and superficial.

I am not saying I know for a fact what was wrong, but I am giving my opinion that he was dealing with serious issues and IMO was not getting the right help.

 

[ivy]

an article forwarded by LMAT but the commenter doesn't seem to know that some claims are dismissed

Jackson Family Says Michael’s Doc Pressured by Promoters
POSTED MARCH 7, 2013 IN LITIGATION PERSONAL INJURY BY MICHELE BOWMAN

New evidence has come to light that shows Michael Jackson’s doctor was under pressure by promoters to help the pop star perform at an upcoming concert. Jackson’s mother and three children have sued AEG Live, which was putting on the concert Jackson was supposed to play in London that summer.

Conrad Murray was sentenced in November 2011 to serve four years for involuntary manslaughter of Jackson, who died from an overdose of the anesthetic propofol and sedatives.



Wrongful Death – Whose Fault?

Despite Murray’s conviction, it’s not the first time Jackson’s family has tried to sue civilly over the pop star’s death. His father Joe tried to sue the doctor, but Jackson’s mother had already filed a similar suit. Joe Jackson’s suit was dismissed.

The plaintiffs say AEG hired and was responsible for Jackson’s personal physician Conrad Murray’s behavior, including his administration of the lethal overdose.

“Jackson’s mother is interested in trying to show that in addition to hiring a reckless doctor, AEG Live should also be held liable for allegedly acting in a careless fashion with her son’s life,” observes Mitch Jackson, a personal injury lawyer with Jackson & Wilson, Inc. in Laguna Hills, Calif. (no relation to the Jackson family).

The case centers on the theory of “respondeat superior,” meaning that an employer is responsible for the wrongful actions of its employees. “This and similar types of legal theories consisting of successive acts of negligence and wrongdoing between parties can indeed result in a company such as AEG Live being held liable in the civil courts for the wrongful death of Michael Jackson,” says Jackson.


‘Smoking Gun’

Emails unsealed by the court in Los Angeles last week reportedly show that AEG Live, which was paying Murray $150,000 a month, pressured him to do whatever he had to do to get Jackson to rehearsals and allow him to play the show, despite his poor health.

Murray is reported as having already said that an AEG Live representative told him AEG Live owned “the toilet paper he wipes his *** with” and “the f**kin’ popsicles that his children are sucking on,” and “if he doesn’t get the show done he’s over,” Jackson points out.

In another email, which Jackson family lawyers are calling a smoking gun, AEG Live’s co-CEO wrote to another exec at the company concerning Murray’s having kept Jackson away from a rehearsal: “We want to remind [Murray] that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.”


Top-Notch Plaintiffs’ Lawyers

Smoking gun emails notwithstanding, Jackson says he thinks the Jackson family will have to come up with more facts in order to link AEG Live to Murray’s actions and Jackson’s death.

The fact that Murray has been convicted for Jackson’s death will, under California law in general, help AEG Live, Jackson says, since that criminal act is viewed as “severing” the link between AEG Live’s actions and Jackson’s death.

However, Jackson’s family does have a shot at winning this case. The criminal conviction against Murray “does not mean other responsible people or organizations should not also be held civilly liable,” Jackson adds.

“This new information certainly doesn’t help AEG Live’s defense and even the trial judge has ruled that there is a triable issue of material fact that should allow the wrongful death case to go before a jury in April,” he says.

“I know the plaintiffs’ lawyers, and they are very, very good,” Jackson adds. “If I was a betting man, I’d put my money on Brian Panish and his experienced team of lawyers.”

http://blogs.lawyers.com/2013/03/promoters-pressured-michael-jackson-doc/

 

[Aquarius]

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"Emails unsealed by the court in Los Angeles last week reportedly show that AEG Live, which was paying Murray $150,000 a month, pressured him to do whatever he had to do to get Jackson to rehearsals and allow him to play the show, despite his poor health.

Didn't know about that email. Does anyone know if that's true?

 

[Petrarose]

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Michael lived with insomnia for years, so what makes you think he never asked for appropriate help? Simple because it did not work, does not mean he did not get appropriate help.

We do know, Petra, that he did seek help, for example, from nurse Cheryl Lee (sp?).

Jamba but that is what I question^^. Lee came in in 09. However, Michael had insomnia way before that even during Thriller, & Lee as you say does not work with insomnia. It is just that we have not heard about it from any professional who deals with insomnia. He did not share that information with us, so I question us making statements about him not seeking appropriate help as though that statement is based on facts. We can't even say he only sought help from Lee, because we do not know what he did years ago when the problem arose.

There was a fan in the trial thread who shared her treatment of insomnia & explained it very well, and she wrote that certain things do not work for everyone, so we do not know what treatments Michael used before that he found unsuccessful. Sort of like me using several different brands of allergy medicine, given by my doctor, & non of them helping.

 

[jamba]

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Jamba but that is what I question^^. Lee came in in 09. However, Michael had insomnia way before that even during Thriller, & Lee as you say does not work with insomnia. It is just that we have not heard about it from any professional who deals with insomnia. He did not share that information with us, so I question us making statements about him not seeking appropriate help as though that statement is based on facts. We can't even say he only sought help from Lee, because we do not know what he did years ago when the problem arose.

There was a fan in the trial thread who shared her treatment of insomnia & explained it very well, and she wrote that certain things do not work for everyone, so we do not know what treatments Michael used before that he found unsuccessful. Sort of like me using several different brands of allergy medicine, given by my doctor, & non of them helping.

Hi, Petra, yes, I agree he sought help although I don't know where or when. I was just referring to Cheryl Lee as an example. I have a feeling based on what others have said who knew Michael that the insomnia came up when he was under stress and that at other times it wasn't such a big deal. If you lose sleep one night but make it up the next night (even tho' they say you can't really make up your sleep debt) but you do feel better and can function as a result. Maybe the underlying issues got worse in a crisis-type situation, such as the concerts?

The situation in TII in the months before his death was extreme with a number of issues surfacing at once--financial, family, health, pressure, and everyone saying he couldn't do it (the negativity was incredible and I think the movie TII showed people they were wrong about that--people were saying he couldn't even sing or dance anymore.) Then there are the accusations and how some people say those charges broke his spirit. And all the endless freakin lawsuits.

Sometimes I wish he had sold the assets and just bailed but would the assets have covered his debts since his death gave them more value?? Well--I guess we can do what-ifs and really this is what the lawsuit is about. What if?

My personal take is that he needed a great long term therapist (just as he had a great long term voice coach, for example, Seth Riggs) and a great long term spiritual advisor too. And of course--a good partner (like me!! LOL).

 

[Petrarose]

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Jamba yes, but what I read was that he always had it, but it became worse when he was in intense creative activity and touring. He spoke about how after a show he couldn't sleep because of the adrenaline. Of course, stress simple made it worse, the allegations made it worse, and his siblings pressuring him made it worse. One of his bodyguards said that late in the night Michael would be playing on the piano and singing new songs. Katherine also said that when he lived at home she would hear him shout out something in the night, as a new tune came to his mind, so insomnia is not a new thing for Michael & existed before AEG came into his life.

I remember reading that a bodyguard said late in the night Michael would be playing on the piano and singing new made up songs. I agree about the good partner bit.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

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Michael lived with insomnia for years, so what makes you think he never asked for appropriate help? Simple because it did not work, does not mean he did not get appropriate help.

We do know, Petra, that he did seek help, for example, from nurse Cheryl Lee (sp?), but he got discouraged and gave up on her holistic approach. She was not a sleep therapist. The main reason I think this insomnia was undertreated (and agree with Michael C. Barnes statement that I quoted before) is that it was not resolved without some kind of medication, which means there was not natural sleep going on. I read some sleep therapists who say the underlying issues that cause the insomnia must be addressed, but were they in Mike's case? I don't think so--they might have been related to his pain issues--pain will keep you awake for sure--or anxiety issues. Personally, I thionk there were deep issues that needed a long term solution.

When you think of the various issues, they were enormous. Childhood pain, bullying by the media and the prosecutors, severe scalp burns, lupus, vitiligo, a 50-fall onto a concrete floor in a metal crane (back pain), threats to have your children taken away, etc. Even just looking at one of these would be a huge thing for most people to deal with. Bullying, which went on for decades, can also cause a lot of issues, both physical and psychological, including anxiety and insomnia and depression, etc. The financial, legal issues alone could cause insomnia too. To say he was a drug addict etc is way too false and superficial.

I am not saying I know for a fact what was wrong, but I am giving my opinion that he was dealing with serious issues and IMO was not getting the right help.

Nope, he certainly didn't receive anything that even remotely deserves the term 'appropriate treatment'. Anemia and chronic bronchitis can be managed - I've got both.
I'm also currently scheduled for a sleep study since I currently require medication for something that resembles a major sleep disorder, to even stay awake. BUT - I have a physician that CARES.

The 'care' Michael received has me weeping. He tried with Nurse Lee but no amount of IV cocktails is gonna going to replace the meds used conventionally - and that have been studied for a long time.
The fact that he had to combat excessive daytime sleepiness both from anemia and a sleeping disorder - I can't even put into words how much I feel for him. I seriously admire him for remembering a choreography - I need a self addressed letter so I remember my address!
Michael needed a real family physician who knows how to read blood results AND WHO KNOWS HOW TO FIND YOU A SPECIALIST- and who has the capable office to find you the best hematologist, pulmonologist and sleep center in town. A Dulera inhaler for 50 bucks and I felt close to reborn.

And believe me, there's a lot more that can be done in sleep centers than just the annoying talk of "sleep hygiene". Not to mention that an undiagnosed sleep disorder can cause massive, stumbling depression in and of itself. And then of course take a vitiligo patient who is rarely exposed to sunlight - man, I don't even wanna imagine.


Unless people have experienced that just one or two of these conditions can cause massive depression in addition...
It is often assumed that depression is largely a result of emotional trauma. In Michael's case several physical conditions are known to cause depression as well. Untreated anemia - heck, depression is your alter ego.
Untreated sleep disorder - depression be thy middle name.
Uncontrolled chronic bronchitis.
I live in the middle of nowhere and have better care than Michael in L.A. And that makes me cry.

Michael was missing some of the most basic meds that he should have had - but that were noticably absent in his nightstand basket.

 

[Bubs]

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Time to fish out that old open letter to the media from sept 07.



I wonder how these jackson concerventions worked in mj's last years. Once they rammed the gates and avoided being shot at by mj's bodyguards, how did it all go down. Did they do an hour of persuading mj to go to drug rehab and when that failed, tried a concert tour. Or was it the other way round, tried to get mj totour with them and when that failed, suggested drug rehab. It would be difficult to know the best approach in these circumstances. Maybe this trial will bring it all to light.

Its touring and singing that heals everything

"Signed, mrs j, jerms, tito,marlon, jackie."
Janet, Randy and Rebbie didn't sign that letter, and they are the ones blabbering to mediauke:

 

[Nadia1981]

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Michael's history (with drugs) has changed so much in the last 4 years. The Jacksons never told the truth (they probably don't know the truth) but kept telling different stories in every interview. Whatever was more convenient in that particular interview, was fine by them.

I remember in just days after Michael passed, some brothers were giving an interview saying they had no idea at all about any drug use and they never saw anything.
In one interview Jerms was praising the Estate and how the 2 Johns were such good men who were family friends for a long long time and were doing exactly what Michael wanted and the will was the best out there, ... (this is a good laugh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7nBruVRmG8&feature=player_embedded)

So I would not be surprised if AEG collected all those interviews and throws them in their faces if possible.

 

[Bubs]

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^^^yes, MJ was drug addict when Jacksons needed him to be and when it suit to their purpose.

I wonder if MJ's kids will be watching this trial and do they understand that their loving granny and their own relatives are throwing MJ under the bus.
Last summer Paris tweeted about the doc that examined Katherine, and she mentioned in her tweet that MJ being drug addict was lie.
Paris Jackso? ?@ParisJackson
the same doctor that testified on behalf of dr murray saying my father was a drug addict (a lie) is caring for my grandmother... just saying

Wonder how this trial is going to make her feel, poor kids.


03/07/2013 Order ( **DENIED** ON MEDIA REQUEST TO PERMIT COVERAGE )
Seemingly it won't be on telly, so we have to rely on media to "accurate" reporting.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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I see justin bieber had to be treated backstage at the 02 in london last night by drs and emt's after fainting and suffering breathing problems during one of his shows. and this a kid. yet we have them questioning why mj would need a dr on tour with him!

 

[Virre]

I´m not saying this is true, I´m just telling what have been said at another place by someone who knew Michael. And that is that he did go to a sleep clinic at some point and tried that.

 

[jaydom7]

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Michael needed a good family physician instead of an insane dermatologist and he needed a good therapist, good friends, good family and a loving and caring partner. He had none of it.

 

[Bubs]

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I believe none of this goes to trial. Thier will be a last minute settlement. A trail won't do anything good for either party. The Jackson's will get paid and AEG will move on. Undisclosed amount. AEG is for sale a huge lawsuit and the GOAT dieing under there watch dose not do them any good for there image. It really is too bad the kids have to have the Jackson clan as their family. I would take his kids right now and raise them right. The Jackass family can burn all MJs money up. Disgusting all of this.

You think that this is not going on trial?
But Jackson's filed this lawsuit to find out what happen to Michael!
How they are going to find out what happen to MJ, if there is no trial, no testimonies, no nothing, other than money for silence?

AEG can offer millions to Jacksons, but Jackson's don't have to take the settlement if they are after finding the truth.

"The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all,' Katherine Jackson's lawyer Brian Panish said in a statement."

If Jackson's takes on AEG's settlement, world in not going to know any more than we know now.
How's that serves Jackson's purpose to find out what happen to Michael, or justice for Michael?
If they do take settlement, they are not any better than Chandlers.


How many of us truly believe that if AEG offers settlement, Jackson's will not take it?
Never mind finding out what happened to MJ, never mind Paris telling in her deposition that LaToya promised to get bottom of this.

How Michael's kids will feel if Jackson's take the settlement, and they don't know after all what happen, or are they being brainwashed by Jackson's telling them, "we make AEG to pay what they did to you father", and that paying part is to be taken literally.

 

[Nadia1981]

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"The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all,' Katherine Jackson's lawyer Brian Panish said in a statement."

I think they missed the whole Murray trial and all the dismissals for this trial ;-).

Anyway, of course this is going to trial. I do not believe AEG has thought about setteling for one minute. So Panish can say what he wants, it's easy to claim the "truth" purpose when you have no other choice.

I can only hope the judge will be as strict as Judge Pastor was, allthough I doubt it. I hate for this trial to get derailed by KJ's lawyers, and that will happen if this judge will not run a tight ship.

 

[qbee]

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They are saying AEG pushed Murray into taking exreme measures in using propoful for MJ's treatment. But I remember Murray stated he started weaning MJ off the propoful after being read the riot act by AEG. He was trying more medically exeptable methods to help him sleep. MJ was fine on those days in rehearsals too. It seems to me AEG was saying we dont want MJ coming in incoherant and unable to perform. Do you job and keep him healthy. Not continue doing what ever is causing MJ to be out of sorts. but the last night Murray resorted to using propoful again. It seems to me AEG stepping in halted the propoful use for a time at least. Also I didn't take the email they are quoting to mean we pay you so drug MJ up so he can do his job. They were saying there's a problem, we are paying you, so do your job (as in get him healthy so he can work )

 

[Daryll748]

This was ONE tough read though :sigh:

I guess I just scratched open the wound again :blink: so with my :heart: pumping in my throat

I'm just gonna say that YES, I think AEG should be 'sued' over the 'negligence' over Michael's 'you know'...

WHY?
Let me 'pin point' it with an own experience...

I got ill while working too... I was exactly working under the influence of a 'Morphine substance' and yes, my 'ex quack' :beee: thought it was okay... Hell, stupid me even 'believed' him 'till my Boss got wind of it... She wasn't 'soothed' with this 'I'm okay' message and she just 'cancelled' the NEW contract and 'refused' to let me 'derail' my own health any further... I guess, she knew to what 'negligence' could lead to hey :smilerolleyes:

This trial is like a two edged sword... One one hand, you can have the 'impression' that KJ ONLY wants to 'squeeze' out $$$ out of AEG with 'ripping' open old wounds... Pointing bloody fingers at everyone 'ignoring' her hands her 'dripping' with Blood too :blink:

On the other hand... Maybe (wishful thinking on my part, I guess) we'll finally know... WHO really killed Michael... Is it really the negligence of Murray or was he used as a 'hit man' ?

This following 'quote' bothers the hell outta me... :angry:

‘Smoking Gun’

Emails unsealed by the court in Los Angeles last week reportedly show that AEG Live, which was paying Murray $150,000 a month, pressured him to do whatever he had to do to get Jackson to rehearsals and allow him to play the show, despite his poor health.

Murray is reported as having already said that an AEG Live representative told him AEG Live owned “the toilet paper he wipes his *** with” and “the f**kin’ popsicles that his children are sucking on,” and “if he doesn’t get the show done he’s over,” Jackson points out.

In another email, which Jackson family lawyers are calling a smoking gun, AEG Live’s co-CEO wrote to another exec at the company concerning Murray’s having kept Jackson away from a rehearsal: “We want to remind [Murray] that it is AEG, not MJ, who is paying his salary. We want to remind him what is expected of him.”

That's the ONLY reason WHY I let this wound 'bleed' again... I just wanna know if Murray is 'an negligent quack' or if there is MORE to it... I HOPE this trial will 'release' all the 'skeletons' out of the closet :doh:

 

[LastTear]

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This was ONE tough read though :sigh:

I guess I just scratched open the wound again :blink: so with my :heart: pumping in my throat

I'm just gonna say that YES, I think AEG should be 'sued' over the 'negligence' over Michael's 'you know'...

WHY?
Let me 'pin point' it with an own experience...

I got ill while working too... I was exactly working under the influence of a 'Morphine substance' and yes, my 'ex quack' :beee: thought it was okay... Hell, stupid me even 'believed' him 'till my Boss got wind of it... She wasn't 'soothed' with this 'I'm okay' message and she just 'cancelled' the NEW contract and 'refused' to let me 'derail' my own health any further... I guess, she knew to what 'negligence' could lead to hey :smilerolleyes:

This trial is like a two edged sword... One one hand, you can have the 'impression' that KJ ONLY wants to 'squeeze' out $$$ out of AEG with 'ripping' open old wounds... Pointing bloody fingers at everyone 'ignoring' her hands her 'dripping' with Blood too :blink:

On the other hand... Maybe (wishful thinking on my part, I guess) we'll finally know... WHO really killed Michael... Is it really the negligence of Murray or was he used as a 'hit man' ?

This following 'quote' bothers the hell outta me... :angry:



That's the ONLY reason WHY I let this wound 'bleed' again... I just wanna know if Murray is 'an negligent quack' or if there is MORE to it... I HOPE this trial will 'release' all the 'skeletons' out of the closet :doh:

I'm so sorry you had to go through all this.

One big difference is that your boss knew the medication you were being given, perhaps AEG should have asked questions, insisted on knowing what CM was giving to MJ, but I'm not sure where in this case patient confidentiality comes in.

Bottom line is that Murray was there to keep Michael safe. I really don't see a bigger hand, I only see a bigger wallet.

 

[Smooth72]

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I'm so sorry you had to go through all this.

One big difference is that your boss knew the medication you were being given, perhaps AEG should have asked questions, insisted on knowing what CM was giving to MJ, but I'm not sure where in this case patient confidentiality comes in.

Bottom line is that Murray was there to keep Michael safe. I really don't see a bigger hand, I only see a bigger wallet.

The reason I say there will be a settlement is its going to come down to what Murray says when he's interviewe next month. It he sides with AEG he's being paid off. I believe what is going to say is going to be very damaging to AEG. That's my gut feeling anyways. I think Murray has a lot to say.

 

[LastTear]

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^^^ I will be quite surprised if Murray says anything, I think he will save it for the highest bidder when he is released. How would you know for sure though that if he were to side with the Jacksons that he hasn't been promised a cut?

 

[Daryll748]

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I'm so sorry you had to go through all this.

One big difference is that your boss knew the medication you were being given, perhaps AEG should have asked questions, insisted on knowing what CM was giving to MJ, but I'm not sure where in this case patient confidentiality comes in.

Bottom line is that Murray was there to keep Michael safe. I really don't see a bigger hand, I only see a bigger wallet.

That's okay; Last tear :friends: I somehow 'accepted' it... What else can you do hey :smilerolleyes: Just thought it was 'relevant' to use this example here...

Either, I think that AEG didn't want the 'ripple' affect 'cause... I'm NOT into a job yet... :blink: meaning, if AEG would have 'stressed' more on the care of Murray or just 'hired' a different Doc Michael would still be here... I know, this energy we put in here is all 'water under the bridge' cause NO matter how many 'lawsuits' there are gonna be... Michael stays in heaven :sigh:

Maybe, I'm giving them the 'benefit of the doubt' here to say they 'trusted' Murray too... I mean, you are 'supposed' to TRUST them, right?
The ONLY thing I can 'pin' on them is that AEG should have been more 'determined' to HELP Michael even if it was NOT their 'legal' duty :smilerolleyes:

So, let's the 'games' begin again, hey :scratch:

 

[Bonnie Blue]

I think Murray has a lot to say.

Well according to him he only gave a tiny little bit of prop to mj on 25 june which wasn't enough to cause anything to go wrong, and that's his story and i imagine he'll be sticking to it. He denies all responsibility for causing mj's death and any pressure from aeg that he talked about was just to show how it affected mj so that he self-injected when murray was out of the room. So i'm not expect him to turn up with any testimony relevant to this trial.

How many of us truly believe that if AEG offers settlement, Jackson's will not take it?

Agree, I think they'd have to be crazy not to take a settlement. I'm sure some will be holding out for their billions, but surely their lawyers will tell them to just take whatever they're given. I got the impression from that alan duke article, the jaxsn lawyers seemed a little relieved in getting one count through.

But no way can i see aeg settling. The jacksons have sabotaged any chance of that with all their conspiracy talk, of randy phillips wandering round carolwood on thenight mj died, of murray being a finger and being a fall guy and there being a plot to kill mj and get his catalogue. They've made it far too explosive and personal, accusing the company in effect of conspiracy to murder. They're still at it with their 'insider' quote this week,

“They feel that a lawsuit victory or settlement proves their theory that Michael's death was more of a conspiracy than just Murray giving a lethal dose of propofol,” said the insider.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...#ixzz2Mftvosee

And then leaking all those emails showing randy and gongaware to be unfeeling jerks. AEg will be mad with them.

 

[ivy]

Murray is a wild card in this trial.

Katherine Jackson's lawsuit is based on the premise that Murray's negligence caused Michael's death and therefore AEG shares liability as well as they hired Murray.

Murray has been denying his role and negligence for ever. Given that he has an appeal and wants to get back his medical license, I don't see him admitting negligence. It's also probable that AEG go with that and say "no negligence from Murray equals to no negligence at AEG's part". That will open the doors to the medical testimony about Michael's death and again trying to pinpoint the responsibility to Murray by Katherine's side.

During his documentary Murray mentioned not so nice comments from Phillips about Michael's finances, he can repeat that and can say that AEG was pressuring Michael. However the judge already dismissed the claims.

The one thing we don't know is what will Murray say when he's asked about the knowledge of AEG. Would he say "yeah they knew what was going on" or say "no they had no idea"? He can make or break the case for either side.

“They feel that a lawsuit victory or settlement proves their theory that Michael's death was more of a conspiracy than just Murray giving a lethal dose of propofol,” said the insider.

what conspiracy? all of that is thrown out.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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It's also probable that AEG go with that and say "no negligence from Murray equals to no negligence at AEG's part".

They'd have a huge problem going with that as you've got a criminal trial convicting murray of invol m/slaughter beyond a reasonable doubt with the judge throwing the book at him. I imagine aeg will paint murray as a rogue dr and will try and distance themselves from him as much as they can rather than attempt to defend him in any way.

The one thing we don't know is what will Murray say when he's asked about the knowledge of AEG. Would he say "yeah they knew what was going on" or say "no they had no idea"? He can make or break the case for either side.

There doesn't seem to be any emails with murray discussing mj's 'treatment' or we wouldn't have heard the last of them from the leaks, so it'll just be the very few meetings murray had with phillips (and gongaware?) in may/june. If murray suddenly remembers letting aeg in on his treatment plan for prop, i guess it'll be his word against all the other people who were in the room for those meetings. I'm wondering why murray would implicate aeg in his prop plan, it doesn't get him off the hook for killing mj which he denies doing, he's never once claimed in the crim trial that he was under pressure from aeg, only from mj. For something that would be absolutely crucial to mrs j's multi-billion dollar case, it's weird they've not forced murray to sit for a dep before now.

what conspiracy? all of that is thrown out.

Lol, idk. It's a media quote from a family insider - it just shows that the family are determined to show any sucess in this trial or if they are offered a settlement as proof of far more than negligent hiring.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

This was ONE tough read though :sigh:

I guess I just scratched open the wound again :blink: so with my :heart: pumping in my throat

I'm just gonna say that YES, I think AEG should be 'sued' over the 'negligence' over Michael's 'you know'...

WHY?
Let me 'pin point' it with an own experience...

I got ill while working too... I was exactly working under the influence of a 'Morphine substance' and yes, my 'ex quack' :beee: thought it was okay... Hell, stupid me even 'believed' him 'till my Boss got wind of it... She wasn't 'soothed' with this 'I'm okay' message and she just 'cancelled' the NEW contract and 'refused' to let me 'derail' my own health any further... I guess, she knew to what 'negligence' could lead to hey :smilerolleyes:

They more or less did what your boss did by trying to stop MJ from going to Klien. Klien was the one everyone was saying they noticed a marked difference in MJ after seeing him.

Plus, after the big meeting with Murray, MJ came back to the rehearsals and had the best rehearsals ever. So under the circumstances, it looked like Klien was the problem, not Murray.

 

[Smooth72]

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They'd have a huge problem going with that as you've got a criminal trial convicting murray of invol m/slaughter beyond a reasonable doubt with the judge throwing the book at him. I imagine aeg will paint murray as a rogue dr and will try and distance themselves from him as much as they can rather than attempt to defend him in any way.


There doesn't seem to be any emails with murray discussing mj's 'treatment' or we wouldn't have heard the last of them from the leaks, so it'll just be the very few meetings murray had with phillips (and gongaware?) in may/june. If murray suddenly remembers letting aeg in on his treatment plan for prop, i guess it'll be his word against all the other people who were in the room for those meetings. I'm wondering why murray would implicate aeg in his prop plan, it doesn't get him off the hook for killing mj which he denies doing, he's never once claimed in the crim trial that he was under pressure from aeg, only from mj. For something that would be absolutely crucial to mrs j's multi-billion dollar case, it's weird they've not forced murray to sit for a dep before now.




Lol, idk. It's a media quote from a family insider - it just shows that the family are determined to show any sucess in this trial or if they are offered a settlement as proof of far more than negligent hiring.

I think what Murray will say is that he kept MJ away for a week or so whatever it was to protect MJ and get him healthy. MJ was going thru some sort of physical withdrawal that's why he was freezing. Was it from propofol or some sort of narcodic? Who really knows? Murray can say he was weaning him of propofol right? After some absence from rehearsal AEG demanded him back putting huge stress on MJ therefore he demanded the drug from Murray. Murray than blamed MJ for giving it to himself. So that paints the picture AEG put the pressure on both Murray and MJ. So now we have AEG driving the bus or else demand. Does that give them enough for a the case? Idk I'm not a lawyer but it might be enough for the jackass family to get paid. It's not a criminal case you don't need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Daryll748]

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They more or less did what your boss did by trying to stop MJ from going to Klien. Klien was the one everyone was saying they noticed a marked difference in MJ after seeing him.

Plus, after the big meeting with Murray, MJ came back to the rehearsals and had the best rehearsals ever. So under the circumstances, it looked like Klien was the problem, not Murray.

How 'you mean NOT Murray... :blink:
The list has just grown into Murray and Klein... :beee:

How HEAVY is this trial exactly if its a 'civil' suit only meant for the 'dirty cash' ?
Didn't we go through all the motions with the Murray trial? :smilerolleyes:

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Murrays a total lose cannon imo. He could take the fifth or cone out with crazy stuff. whether he has any credibility to jurrors if he gets to the stand is another thing