[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[Petrarose]

Re: AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsuit

Yep this was the issue.. it had nothing to do with drug addiction, Mike needed help, was stressed and scared of returning to the stage. He actually should have seen a sleep specialist and a psychologist for his anxiety and stress but it doesn't appear he ever did. He saw medical doctors who didn't care about the underlying issues instead chose to drug him with pills and anesthesia

You don't know whether Michael did or did not seek help for his health issues, so why make these statements over and over since 09?

Michael lived with insomnia for years, so what makes you think he never asked for appropriate help? Simple because it did not work, does not mean he did not get appropriate help. Then, this emphasis on mother visiting Michael & why she did not ask Muarry about Michael's care, there is no evidence that mother was constantly at Michael's house for her to meet Muarry and ask him about Michael's care. In fact, Muarry usually enter the house at night and leave in the morning, so most likely mother will be at home in bed.

Next from your other posts we have this rumor that Michael was scared of performing, which I guess you got from that dancer. How do you know that was the emotion that Michael was feeling and it related to being on the stage? You are acting like the mother you pick on in the thread--emphasizing that Michael was this child, who was scared, afraid, and needed a big company to take care of him & also his mama.

We all know Michael did not like to tour, but how that translated to him being scared to perform I do not understand. So now we have not only the media, family, & AEG bashing Michael with unsubstantiated comments, but he is also bashed by fans' comments as well.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Same old with kaymon im afraid

 

[Bubs]

During the CM trial, Michael C. Barnes made this comment :

“Since before this trial began, I have been stressing the fact that the evidence in this case does not support a conclusion that Michael Jackson was addicted. Rather, Jackson suffered from undertreated anxiety, insomnia, and perhaps chronic pain. Any drug-seeking behaviors Jackson displayed were likely the result of desperation for care that would enable him to live a normal life that included the basic human essentials of family time, work, and sleep.”
http://psbar.wordpress.com/2011/10/28/two-michaels-vindicated/

I tend to agree with above. How do you live you life with pain without any painkillers? Does it mean all people who lives with chronic pain are addicts if they need painkillers?

After reading full case history thread, "AEG states deposition of Katherine, Tito and Rebbie confirmed "decades long history of severe substance abuse including an addiction to prescription painkillers and repeated interventions", I wonder if they had any idea of MJ's illnesses, at least Katherine had no clue about MJ's vitiligo, as she stated on Oprah that she didn't know how Michael "changed colour"!!!!
Makes me think if Katherine didn't know even that, it is likely siblings knew even less about MJ pains and other issues, and stupidly goes with idea of MJ being stark raving addict?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

the family were clueless about mjs life. it shows how little they thought of him when they jump to such conclusions. what was that rebbie we were just fans but u were family HA HA. yeah right. mj actions showed who he thought were his family

 

[Bubs]

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the family were clueless about mjs life. it shows how little they thought of him when they jump to such conclusions. what was that rebbie we were just fans but u were family HA HA. yeah right. mj actions showed who he thought were his family

Do you mean Janet saying: To you Michael was an Icon, to us he was bank machine?

 

[xthunderx2]

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the family were clueless about mjs life. it shows how little they thought of him when they jump to such conclusions. what was that rebbie we were just fans but u were family HA HA. yeah right. mj actions showed who he thought were his family

Do you mean Janet saying: To you Michael was an Icon, to us he was back account?

Until this day I CANNOT get Janet's statement out of my head...I think about it often, "To you Michael was an Icon....to us he was family". Ok I see what she was trying to say with it....but still.....NO.....if his own mother didn't know he had virtiligo and THAT IS his momma....I find that hard to believe though...seriously I do. But anyway...NO...they seen Michael as you have said..."a bank account"....and that's about it,

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

Its the old fake jackson family image they have to keep going. rebbie made the comment aswell as janet.

 

[xthunderx2]

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Its the old fake jackson family image they have to keep going. rebbie made the comment aswell as janet.

yes of course she did....they have ALL said it at one time or another in the last 4 years as though they KNEW him so much better than WE his ...the people that were loyal to him until the end. :hug:

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

I was reading Full Case History thread and these things caught my eye:

- Katherine says when Michael left for Bahrain he put $500,000 to Grace's bank account and Katherine was given access to that bank account. Katherine says this was the only money she got from Michael in that time period. She says at that time Janet also gave her $10,000.

Janet is such a good daughter:ermm: Obviously she wasn't helping her mom to pay Haventhurst household bills.
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- Randy , Janet and Jermaine had filed objections to Taunya's deposition.
I wonder why such a reaction from all 3 of them, not just Randy?
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"Randy has papers from Michael's briefcase, the notes from his house and the private family autopsy results".
Rebbie and Tito testified earlier that Randy took MJ's briefcase and notes from his house.
I wonder if he gave it to the estate, as it doesn't belong to Randy? There was talk in 1 thread (can't remember which one) whether the Jacksons did private autopsy, obviously they did?


I had to edit intervention thingy out of my post as I got my eyes grossed and got few things mixed:blush:

 

[xthunderx2]

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I was reading Full Case History thread and these things caught my eye:

from Katherine's deposition:
- Katherine says she didn't believe Michael abused prescription drugs.
- Katherine mentions some of her children talked to her about Michael's problems and wanted to intervene and asked her to come as she would be influential. She says they went to Neverland Ranch.

Rebbie's deposition
- Rebbie mentions 3 interventions. One at Neverland Ranch, one in New York and one in Las Vegas house. She says there was another one that she wasn't present for.

They don't know much what they are talking about? Katherine says they never went to NL for intervention, Rebbie says they did?
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- Katherine says when Michael left for Bahrain he put $500,000 to Grace's bank account and Katherine was given access to that bank account. Katherine says this was the only money she got from Michael in that time period. She says at that time Janet also gave her $10,000.

Janet is such a good daughter:ermm: Obviously she wasn't helping her mom to pay Haventhurst household bills.
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- Randy , Janet and Jermaine had filed objections to Taunya's deposition.
I wonder why such a reaction from all 3 of them, not just Randy?
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"Randy has papers from Michael's briefcase, the notes from his house and the private family autopsy results".
Rebbie and Tito testified earlier that Randy took MJ's briefcase and notes from his house.
I wonder if he gave it to the estate, as it doesn't belong to Randy? There was talk in 1 thread (can't remember which one) whether the Jacksons did private autopsy, obviously they did?

The part I bolded at the bottom of your post.....I doubt Randy gave ANYTHING to The Estate.....as he has hated them from the VERY beginning.....as soon as that Will was read and he seen that Michael left him and his siblings nothing....as far as 'THEY" are concerned 'The Estate are the bad guys". As far as the "family autopsy" is concerned....I know they "SAID" they did one but ,,,we NEVER heard any results from it...they have NEVER made anything public about what "the private" autopsy revealed. IMO...I think they DID do one...and it was the same results as "the original" autopsy done by the coroner.

 

[Bubs]

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^^ You could be right as Randy has a X17 on his speed dial. He wouldn't resist selling some stuff off his brother for few bucks.

I'm still curious of reason Jermaine and Janet has to object Taynua's deposition, any hints?

 

[xthunderx2]

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^^ You could be right as Randy has a X17 on his speed dial. He wouldn't resist selling some stuff off his brother for few bucks.

I'm still curious of reason Jermaine and Janet has to object Taynua's deposition, any hints?

LOL...yes you are sure right about that...Randy is ALWAYS ready to make money off of MJ. As far as why they all objected to Taynau''s depo....I am not really sure....maybe she wasn't "agreeing" with what it was the 3 of them were going to say about Michael....OR....maybe they were 'AFRAID" of what she WOULD say about THEM regarding Michael. It's hard to say WHY they do what they do because IMO...half the time what it is they do....doesn't make ANY sense to me. smh.

 

[la_cienega]

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Until this day I CANNOT get Janet's statement out of my head...I think about it often, "To you Michael was an Icon....to us he was family". Ok I see what she was trying to say with it....but still.....NO.....if his own mother didn't know he had virtiligo and THAT IS his momma....I find that hard to believe though...seriously I do. But anyway...NO...they seen Michael as you have said..."a bank account"....and that's about it,

She did know he had vitiligo, she just didn't understand how he evened his skin out.

 

[xthunderx2]

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She did know he had vitiligo, she just didn't understand how he evened his skin out.

Thank you. ...just as I thought and that's why as I stated in my posted I found it hard to believe she didn't know. I guess by her saying she didn't understand about the evening out of his skin...she probably didn't understand about HOW well KF applied his make- up.

 

[Bubs]

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She did know he had vitiligo, she just didn't understand how he evened his skin out.

That makes me wonder, as she says didn't know how MJ did it, perhaps she wasn't that close to MJ that he wanted to tell everything to his mother. It makes sense then that family (the ones who were attempting intervention) has no clue as to why MJ had to take painkillers and they thought MJ taking painkillers just for the fun?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Seems all these supposed interventions were created by hearsay and third party witnesses or were just made up inorder to get to mj. family members never saw him yet claim to know he needed an intervention. based off what evidence? and seemingly having no idea that mj took medication for his illnesses. did jerm say they went to the ranch and was fine and that was it or was that in vegas.

only mj could have history re written in that certain family members hear mjs having issues or just made it up so they can go to n.land (so all this is pre 03) and theres no evidence of anything and suddenly thats changed into mj was a longterm druggie. we know mj had issues in 93 and the early 00's but the family in their quest to get money and wash themselves of any blame try to make it out that mj spent the last ten years continuingly pill popping. and they spent the whole time trying to save him.they make me sick that they have no calms destroying what was left of mjs legacy because of their desire for money.

 

[Big Apple2]

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I'm still having a hard time believing that the family TRIED to conduct all of these interventions.

I mean, most of us heard Janet go on various television programs talking about a family reunion concert and how she was conducting conference calls with various members of the family, and how one member of the family was NOT on board, but she was still working on that family member. It's safe to say that family member was none other than Michael.

So, for me, all of those interventions don't jive. I mean, "supposedly" your brother has all of these drug problems, but you're trying, BEGGING, him to be involved in a family reunion. The whole thing doesn't jell for me.

 

[Pimboli]

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So, for me, all of those interventions don't jive. I mean, "supposedly" your brother has all of these drug problems, but you're trying, BEGGING, him to be involved in a family reunion. The whole thing doesn't jell for me.

it does when money is all you care about. And it's stuff like that that makes it painfully obvious that money IS all they care/cared about. The entitlement has always been there, and it still is....

 

[Autumn II]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

I'm still having a hard time believing that the family TRIED to conduct all of these interventions.

I mean, most of us heard Janet go on various television programs talking about a family reunion concert and how she was conducting conference calls with various members of the family, and how one member of the family was NOT on board, but she was still working on that family member. It's safe to say that family member was none other than Michael.

So, for me, all of those interventions don't jive. I mean, "supposedly" your brother has all of these drug problems, but you're trying, BEGGING, him to be involved in a family reunion. The whole thing doesn't jell for me.

I don't think there were any ACTUAL "interventions," at all, and little or no contact with his family except maybe the occasional call from his mother. I'd imagine that there were ulterior motives with all this talk of "interventions." For one thing, we know that Randy had control of Michael's money during the trial (had POA), and reports of that suggest that he squandered and skimmed much for himself, until Michael removed that control. So, an "intervention" may have given the family -- they thought? -- a chance to once again gain control of Michael's money, i.e. declare him "not capable." That's awful, but may, in fact, be the truth. I seriously doubt that even ONE intervention ever happened. . ..

It's always been about the MONEY, for that family. It still is. I'm sure they are still incredulous about being cut out of the will, but. . . there you have it.

 

[Bubs]

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We'd better talk as much about Jackson's interventions as possible, soon enough when the trial get under the way, we don't have to talk about anything, we just read from tabloids how bad MJ was according to both sides.

I wish I could sleep for few months, so I don't have to watch what is going to happen to MJ once again:sad2:

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Personally i dont believe a word about interventions post 2005.theres been to many stories re the harrassment of mj to take part in randys business ventures and the family reunion shows.comments from mjs staff , bain etc then and from the early 00's about how the family would act interms of wanting to see mj to,imo make it blantently clear the jacksons have changed the harrassment of mj into we were doing interventions inorder to make themselves look good.

mj admitted himself he had issues in the early 00's. so maybe as i said above there was some concern because of maybe what cascio for eg told them. and as nevy gets mentioned and mj left there in 2003 but it certainly didnt require what the family thinks is a superman type intervention inorder to make themselves look good. as jerm said they turned up one day and mj was fine and that was it. so we have interventions that werent needed and imo others that never excisted. all that and we have the family and AEG taking that and turning it into mj was a long term addict that couldnt be saved

but it helps the families image if they make it look like mj was a raving druggie the entire last decade that they tried to save rather then they spent most of the time harrassing him to do reunions and wanting things from him. rather say we tried to get into his house to save him then say we couldnt get to see him cause he knew the only time we came knocking was when we wanted money or wanted him involved in some money making scam so he kept the doors locked

 

[xthunderx2]

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ALL I can say about the Jackson's and "their INTERVENTION" talk is.. The autopsy speaks for itself!! There was NOTHING in Michael's body that they say he was 'addicted" to...pain killers and such. IMO...I think THEY think that "the coroners" autopsy report was false...and that is why we heard talk of them doing their "own individual" one. ...But when THAT autopsy came back and MATCHED the one from the coroner all of a sudden they shut up about that report and we NEVER heard another word about it..as I said earlier the results were never made public. And as Ivy said if this WHOLE case here was about JUST getting the TRUTH out of AEG then the Jackson's would be suing for $1.00......and NOT MILLIONS...they are showing that their loyalty is NOT toward Michael....but towards their empty pockets.

 

[bluetopez]

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Seems all these supposed interventions were created by hearsay and third party witnesses or were just made up inorder to get to mj.

Well Katherine did admit in her Oprah interview she never saw MJ do anything and always heard others tell her things, so are correct.

It's always been about the MONEY, for that family. It still is. I'm sure they are still incredulous about being cut out of the will, but. . . there you have it.

Yep, Jermaine admitted to being shocked by that, on the View when Barbara Walters asked him.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Time to fish out that old open letter to the media from sept 07.

"We categorically deny ever planning, participating in or having knowledge of any kind of intervention, whatsoever. We strongly believe that these 'sources' and others, no matter who they are, are making these defamatory, inaccurate, and untrue claims for monetary reasons. It is time for these unfair and hurtful rumors, for profit, to end. Signed, mrs j, jerms, tito,marlon, jackie."

I wonder how these jackson concerventions worked in mj's last years. Once they rammed the gates and avoided being shot at by mj's bodyguards, how did it all go down. Did they do an hour of persuading mj to go to drug rehab and when that failed, tried a concert tour. Or was it the other way round, tried to get mj totour with them and when that failed, suggested drug rehab. It would be difficult to know the best approach in these circumstances. Maybe this trial will bring it all to light.

 

[Tygger]

Successful in what exactly.

There’s no confusion in my post.

I was clear that I am glad the trial is proceeding and I want Michael’s mother and children to be successful. This means I want the jury to side with the plaintiffs’ and award them whatever amount they see fit.

 

[Big Apple2]

I was clear that I am glad the trial is proceeding and I want Michael’s mother and children to be successful. This means I want the jury to side with the plaintiffs’ and award them whatever amount they see fit.

Randy, is that you?

I only ask because it sounds like something Randy Jackson is "probably" thinking right about now. Especially the "whatever amount they see fit" part.

 

[xthunderx2]

There’s no confusion in my post.

I was clear that I am glad the trial is proceeding and I want Michael’s mother and children to be successful. This means I want the jury to side with the plaintiffs’ and award them whatever amount they see fit.

The part I bolded....that amount should be $1.00...seeing as this trial SHOULD NOT be about Money...but about WHAT AEG KNEW about what was going on with Michael. The TRUTH does NOT have a monetary VALUE ON IT..because NO amount of money will EVER bring Michael back. After all we keep hearing how "To us the fans Michael was an icon but to them he was family"....ok...well "family" usually wants TRUTH from WORDS,,,NOT Money. So the jury should award them O dollars..

 

[Tygger]

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^^^No, I'm not Randy Jackson. I'm Tygger and I stand behind my opinion. Whatever the jury awards I will be comfortable with.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Disscussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine Jackson lawsui

guys despite of whatever our personal opinions are in this subject, I hope that we will all be open and respectful towards other opinions.

While on this thread I have seen people question the difference between an unethical or criminal behavior, don't want Michael go through a character assassination by being called an "addict" and so on, there are other people who are quite disturbed by AEG's (especially Phillips) behavior towards Michael and want to see them pay for it. It's also obvious that there are differentiating opinions in regards to justice versus monetary compensation.

This is totally out of our hands. It's a matter for a judge and a jury and we will just watch to see what the outcome will be. Of course we will see a good deal of discussion among ourselves but don't forget that respect is the key.

 

[Smooth72]

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Randy, is that you?

I only ask because it sounds like something Randy Jackson is "probably" thinking right about now. Especially the "whatever amount they see fit" part.

I believe none of this goes to trial. Thier will be a last minute settlement. A trail won't do anything good for either party. The Jackson's will get paid and AEG will move on. Undisclosed amount. AEG is for sale a huge lawsuit and the GOAT dieing under there watch dose not do them any good for there image. It really is too bad the kids have to have the Jackson clan as their family. I would take his kids right now and raise them right. The Jackass family can burn all MJs money up. Disgusting all of this.