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As requested: IAMA person who visited Neverland Ranch as a child; AMA. (self.IAmA)
submitted 4 hours ago by neverlandthrowaway
The original request: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/smo6c/ama_request_someone_who_has_been_to_michael/
Answers to the five questions:
How did the opportunity to meet M.J. come about?
When I was thirteen, my stepdad's co-worker (at the Ultramar refinery in Wilmington, CA - though they may have been Diamond Shamrock back then, I can't remember when they changed names - and they ended up being Valero before he retired)/friend had a tragedy occur in his family. His young, mentally ill wife decided it'd be a great idea to toss her two young children off the side of a bridge, into the Los Angeles River, and then jump in herself. The youngest of the two boys, Craig, sadly didn't survive. Mikey did survive, as did his mother.
The story got a lot of media attention in Los Angeles and Michael Jackson requested to attend the funeral, was welcomed, and did attend. I attended, as well, since my stepdad was close to the kids' dad. Michael Jackson stood near my stepdad and I during the graveside service. I remember him being very thin and shorter than I had expected. He also smelled good, more manly that I'd expect. His voice was deeper and more "normal" than it was during interviews/public events.
Links to info about the murder/attempted murder + info Michael attending the funeral & helping the family: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-22/news/mn-34675_1_long-beach-bridge
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-12-15/local/me-14521_1_michael-fleming
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14283749/Michael-Jacksons-Humanitarian-Efforts-19792003
Several months later, he invited Michael Sr. (the kids' dad/my stepdad's friend & co-worker) and his family & friends to visit Neverland Ranch. My stepdad asked if I wanted to go and said I could bring a friend or two. I asked my best friend if she wanted to go with me and bring her younger sister (who was a year younger than us). Their parents said it'd be okay. (Her sister ended up not going, as she got sick the day before we went.) A couple weeks later, just before Thanksgiving, we went!
How long and how well did you know Michael?
Didn't. Met briefly, as stated above.
Did he ever act inappropriately towards you?
Nope, nor did he act inappropriately toward any of the kids who repeatedly went back to the ranch. He was also very kind, from what I heard, and never acted oddly.
How did your parents feel about you hanging out with/meeting M.J?
They thought it was a great opportunity and my stepdad actually accompanied me. Michael Jackson was not at the ranch while we visited, but it was during the time when he was married to Lisa Marie Presley. I remember a grey cat that was following me around and one of the staff members told me it was her cat. That was neat.
What did you do while there?
When we got there, the adults all had to sign consent forms and NDA paperwork. We had to check in all cameras (cell phones weren't prevalent in 1995) and recording devices. No pictures or recordings were to be taken on the grounds. So, unfortunately, I can't provide you with ~awesome photographic proof~ or anything. Sorry.
We were all loaded on a tram and taken along a winding tree-lined road to the main house.
First, we took a mini-tour of the house (holy memorabilia and art collection, Batman!), rode the train around the grounds (we didn't get to go through "the zoo" area, but we did get to see an elephant getting a bath and see a staff member feed a giraffe from the train), spent time in the arcade before lunch (BBQ picnic out on the main lawn behind the house).
After lunch we watched Ace Ventura 2 in the private movie theater (there was a private room with a bed and a couch that had a window into the theater, so a few of us older kids hung out in there, got bored and ended up wandering out to the rides), then we all rode the rides a lot (spent a lot of time on the bumper cars) before we got to raid the candy "store" and "bakery" building, where I got a bunch of suckers and cookies that were branded with the Neverland Ranch logo (see pictures).
We were all taken in groups on tours of the house, while dinner was prepared. IT WAS AWESOME. I don't think I've ever seen so many video game cartridges in one area, outside of a game store. Like, seriously, an ENTIRE WALL FILLED. The entire group then had dinner in a formal dining area. I don't remember what we had, though. Spaghetti or something like that.
After dinner, all the kids were given gifts. Younger kids were each given the new-at-the-time color-shell Gameboy and a few games, older kids were each given a top-of-the-line Sony Discman and a bunch of Michael Jackson CDs. My friend very humbly asked for a Gameboy for her little sister and they were happy to give her one and two games, which was very nice of the staff to oblige.
We then took the tram back to the parking area and drove home. Many people were invited back multiple times after that, but I never went again, due to always being busy with school or extracurricular activities. It was fun, though, and I have fond memories of the day.
Semi-proof... want to see what uneaten sixteen year old food looks like?!
All of it: http://imgur.com/UNGkP
Cookies: http://imgur.com/hTbni & http://imgur.com/WxsgF
Sucker: http://imgur.com/s9Hux
Thanks for sharing that. I think it made the place feel a lot easier to relate to from a kid's perspective.
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[–]neverlandthrowaway10 points 3 hours ago
No problem. I wish I'd gone back at least once more, but I'm glad the one time I did was at the perfect age to be able to enjoy every aspect of the experience, appreciate the uniqueness of it, and still remember most of the details into adulthood.
[–]mopspops 6 points 4 hours ago
Was the ranch actually Peter Pan themed - as in, pirates, mermaids, etc?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway14 points 3 hours ago
Nope. There wasn't an overall theme, per se, but it was very obviously a place created by someone who didn't want to grow up and wanted to continue indulging in all the best parts of childhood.
There was even this really cool giant trampoline that was level with the ground, nearish to the building which housed the arcade. You could walk across the grass and suddenly... BOING. My friend and I were on that for a good twenty minutes. It reminded me of all the dreams you have as a kid of being able to just jump into the air and fly. You almost could, with that thing.
[–]skyhighfall 4 points 2 hours ago*
Here's some youtube news footage about Michael attending the funeral.
That's really nice that he kept in touch with the people involved. I remember hearing he would call Ryan White's mother up on Mother's Day after he passed, because he knew Ryan couldn't.
I hope the kid is doing okay now.
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[–]neverlandthrowaway6 points 2 hours ago
The fact that he set up the scholarship for Mikey was awesome. Mikey's dad died unexpectedly a few years later of a heart attack and Michael stepped in to foot the costs of the funeral (or so I was told). I do believe he was a genuinely caring person and really did want to make sure kids never wanted for anything.
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[–]mattrubik 6 points 1 hour ago
It's a shame that it probably won't be these sort of things that he'll be remembered for.
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[–]neverlandthrowaway7 points 1 hour ago
I agree. He did so many wonderful things for kids and humans in general, yet so many people focus on unproven (and disproven) rumors of things that may or may not have taken place.
I feel bad for Michael Jackson, he seems pretty misunderstood and he did a lot of nice things for the world on top of entertaining people.
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[–]neverlandthrowaway5 points 27 minutes ago
People, by nature, are afraid of what they don't understand or what is different from them. He didn't have a normal childhood and definitely wasn't an average man. To have remained kind to people, when it wasn't required and even after the ugliness of the initial child molestation accusations, blows me away. There are so many people out there who have money and fame, but do nothing for other people or do so on a small scale. Michael changed so many lives (for the better), mine included. My occupation (I'd say what, but it may give away my identity to people who know me on Reddit) is directly related to a video of his, which inspired me as a kid.
[–]hrtaus 4 points 3 hours ago
How were the staff? Did they seem happy to be there? Were they fun people or were they burnt out and unsocial?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway5 points 3 hours ago
They all seemed very genuinely glad to be there and were hospitable. They wanted us to have a good time and encouraged us to ask questions and make requests, if we had them. Even the security personnel seemed to want to be there and were more like members of our group, joking around with kids, rather than guards.
It sounds he didn't offer for you guys to stay over. Why were some kids able to stay overnight and some weren't? Do you know how often he let kids stay over?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway3 points 59 minutes ago
Not that particular visit, but some kids did get to later. I can't answer as to why some were and weren't or how often. But I think the situations where he had personal relationships with their families and he felt a kinship with, those were the ones who were invited to be more part of his life than just the ones who were asked to visit and hang out.
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[–]sorry4partying 2 points 45 minutes ago
that makes sense. Did you know if he had a special room for the kids to sleep, like a bunk room or something? Or did he just have lots of spare bedrooms?
Also, what kind of rides did he have? Was it just the carousel and a train track thing?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway2 points 38 minutes ago
To the best of my recollection there were bumper cars, a Zipper ride, a ferris wheel, swings (the huge ride with swings that went in a circle), and two trains (steam train and a smaller one).
There were lots of bedrooms and various lodging places around the ranch. There were even two bedrooms attached to the theater (one of which is mentioned in my post). There were bunk beds in at least one of the rooms I saw on the tour before dinner.
[–]ikindalike 3 points 1 hour ago
Did he ever sing to you guys?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway2 points 1 hour ago
He didn't at the funeral and wasn't at home when I was there, but in subsequent visits, he did sing songs with some of the kids who were there. One of the reasons I kick myself for not going back!
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[–]ikindalike 3 points 1 hour ago
That's so amazing. I wish I could have sang with him.
Another question, from what I can gather, he seems like a person with a great sense of humor, is this true? Thank you so much for this AMA!
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[–]neverlandthrowaway3 points 57 minutes ago
From what everyone said about the later visits, he did have a good sense of humor and loved to tell jokes. He also engaged in a lot of playful teasing and liked to make people laugh. Very much a kid at heart.
What was your reaction when you heard about his child molestation case? Do still believe he did that?
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[–]neverlandthrowaway11 points 1 hour ago
I never believed it happened. The original allegations were still kind of newish back when I visited and it was impossible for me to believe back then, given the level of kindness my family's friends were shown in their time of tragedy and the hospitality we were all shown when visiting. Someone who goes out of their way to help people in that manner wouldn't do something to harm a child.
When the second allegation came out, about ten years later, I was angry. People are money-hungry and don't care who they hurt to get ahead in life. It's really sad that a decent human who was so giving of himself would be dragged through the mud like that.
[–]sorry4partying 1 point 58 minutes ago
Were you scared of him at all? I don't believe the molestation accusations either, but just the way he looked and talked would have creeped me out if I met him when I was a 13 year-old kid.
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[–]neverlandthrowaway3 points 46 minutes ago
Nothing about him scared me. He wasn't that much taller than me and while the plastic surgery results were a little surprising to see up close, he had an aura of calm and he was smiling & gracious when introduced to people. Nothing threatening at all.
You can still ask him any questions about it here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/snkii/as_requested_iama_person_who_visited_neverland/