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From Ivy's summaries:
- Paris saying Michael once told her to give money to Murray but he refused. Murray refusing to take money from Michael.

Did MJ told both of the kids to give money to CM?

almost

Paris in her answers to questions Michael asked her to give money to Murray but he refused to accept it.

In his opening statement AEG lawyer Putnam said

"Putnam says the evidence will show that any payments to Conrad Murray came from Michael."

This is from Jackson lawyer Panish opening statement

"DURING THE TIME, MICHAEL JACKSON'S SON SAW MICHAEL GIVE SOME $100 BILLS TO DR. MURRAY BECAUSE HE WAS HERE FROM LAS VEGAS WORKING, AND A.E.G. WOULDN'T PAY HIM."

So Michael gave Murray the money and Prince saw it. Michael asked Paris to give Murray money but he did not accept it from Paris.
 
I'm reading summaries and came accross this one, related to tough love thing?

Phillips says he first met Murray at an early June meeting at Michael's home. He says that he spoke to Murray 2 -3 times and it was about the concerns raised by tour staff about Michael's attendance, nutrition and stamina. He says both Murray and Michael assured him that Michael was in good health. Phillips says he also mentioned Murray that Michael seemed sedated after seeing Klein.

Phillips says his last meeting with Murray was on June 20 - and it was requested by Dileo. He says Michael, Murray and Ortega was at this meeting. Murray tells them that Michael is in perfect health - so does Michael. Murray tells them not to discourage Michael from performing and bluntly tells them leave the medical care to him and focus on the tour. Michael and Ortega comes to an agreement about rehearsal schedule they are both happy with. Phillips says Michael never told him he needed medical care or he wanted the tour to be postponed.

CM told them not to discourage MJ from performing?
This to me tells that people were starting to raise voices about MJ's health, and then CM tells everyone to do they own job, he does his.


Was that the same time Michael said: "I know you're worried about me, but I'm fine."

I don't recall when Michael made that statement, but it confirms that Michael, himself, was aware that "some" folks were concerned about him, in my opinion.

Bubs, yes that comment from CM was on june 20th, described by others as "scolding Ortega". Of course, he was
not going to say Michael was physically in trouble....

Big Apple Michael made that comment on June 20th, at the same meeting

I'm trying to do a timeline of the e mails we know about, I will post them when I'm done, to get things a little bit clearer
 
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Didn't think it would be so long. Not sure the Jacksons will be able to pay their 8 or 10 lawyers so long.
Unfortunately the lawyers are not paid by the Jacksons. The Estate pays them. Katherine makes sure of that. And that gets on my nerves, the family drags his name through the mud and he has to pay for it.
 
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This is from Jackson lawyer Panish opening statement

"DURING THE TIME, MICHAEL JACKSON'S SON SAW MICHAEL GIVE SOME $100 BILLS TO DR. MURRAY BECAUSE HE WAS HERE FROM LAS VEGAS WORKING, AND A.E.G. WOULDN'T PAY HIM.".

Why does Panish mention this? It`s not helpful for the Jacksons. Is it from AEGs deposition with Prince and Panish wants to avoid that AEG will mention this first?
 
@ Big Apple,

while I was trying to copy and paste all those e mails, I noticed this
Email on 5/26/09 from Timm Wooley to Brigitte Segal: Brigitte, Any joy with an agreement for Murray to sign. He's pinging on us for payment but we can't without a contract in place. Would like to stall him with something for him to look at & mull over. Brigitte dealt with the housing in London.

he's referring to an e mail Murray sent him, asking for payment.
 
the "tough love" meeting was allegedly sometime between June 16 to 18. (Most probably on 18th). The issue is as of now Karen Faye is the only one claiming that meeting and her information is double hearsay. That meeting - if true- wasn't raised up during the criminal trial. I think we need to wait Ortega and Phillips to testify about any such meeting and the contents of it.
 
So, I tried to sort the e mails we have heard of so far, by dates (those referring to MJ's health/Murray)

be careful the time is not always clear, so the order of the e mails could not be correct


TII Press conference :


One of them was an email about TII press conference Phillips wrote to Leiweke that MJ was drunk and refusing to address the fans. Phillips wrote: "This is the scariest thing I have ever seen. He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self-loathing and doubt now that it's show time. He's scared to death."(CBS).

5th May 09

Email on 5/5/09 from Gongaware to Carla Garcia: Pray for me. This is a nightmare. Not coincidentally, I have them now every night. Cold sweats too. Life used to be so much fun... (ABC7) It was not an admission that he was concerned about Jackson's ability to do the show, he said. "It was just playing around, joking," with AEG President Tim Leiweke's assistant, Carla Garcia, he testified. "Carla is an absolute babe and I was just chatting her up," he said. (CNN)


End of may 09

Dancer and choreographer Alif Sankey told a jury that MJ appeared thin and unprepared for the rigors of the shows. She testified that a month before MJ’s death, she wrote an email to tour director Kenny Ortega urging him to try to improve the singer's health and spirits. She says she never received a reply. (AP)

Sankey wrote to Ortega: "Please help me help you to get him back into that Magical Light, please let me help you help him find what was lost, his GRAIL," She wrote that she knew what she could say to Jackson that would make him respond and also offered suggestions to help lessen the pain of rehearsals.(AP)

Mid June 09 :


Bina shows an email from Ortega to Gongaware on Jun 14: "We're you aware that MJ's doctor didn't permit him to attend rehearsal yesterday? Without invading MJ's privacy, it might be good idea to talk to his doctor to make sure everything MJ requires is in place. Who is responsible for MJ getting proper nourishment/vitamins/therapy every day? Personally, I feel he should have a top Nutritionist and Physical Therapist working with him on a regular basis. The demand on this guy is mentally and physically extraordinary! The show requirements exhaust our 20 year olds. Please don't underestimate the need to stay on top of this" (ABC7)

Gongaware to Kenny Ortega that said “We want to remind him that it is AEG, not MJ who is paying his salary”. In his deposition Gongaware repeatedly said he didn’t remember the email or recall what it meant (AP) (from opening statements).
Another part of the same email chain, from Gongaware: "Frank and I have discussed it already and have requested a face-to-face meeting w/ the doctor... We want to remind him that it's AEG not MJ who's paying his salary We want him to understand what is expected of him. He has been dodging Frank so far.” (ABC7)

On June 15, 2009, Gongaware sent and emai to Ortega in response to request for nutritionist and physical therapist for MJ. Email: We're on it. AEG owns major sports teams in this market so we think we can find the right people quickly. Kenny responded: Super.Not a minute too soon. Let's turn this guy around! (ABC7)

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Hougdahl, in response to concerns expressed by Travis Payne about Jackson’s weight, wrote singer needed a new diet.
Email 6/15/09 from Hougdahl to Gongaware He needs some cheeseburgers w/ bunch of Wisconsin cheesehead bowlers and couple of brats and beers

Email from 6/17/09 from Phillips: ...Ortega, Gongaware, Dileo, and his doctor Conrad from Vegas and I have an intervention with him to get him to focus and come to rehearsal (ABC7)

Email from 6/17/09 from Gongaware to Phillip's assistant: "We need a physical therapist and a nutritionist" (ABC7)

19th / 20th june 09

Email from Production Manager - Gongaware/Phillips on 6/19/09 : “Paul/Randy I'm not bring a drama queen here. Kenny asked me to notify you both MJ was sent home without stepping foot on stage. He was a basket case and Kenny was concerned he would embarrass himself on stage, or worse yet, be hurt. The company is rehearsing right now, but the DOUBT is pervasive. (ABC7)
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Email cont'd: The company is rehearsing right now, but the DOUBT is pervasive. Time to circle the wagons. Bugzee

Email on 6/19/09 from John Hougdahl to Randy Phillips: My laymen's degree tells me he needs a shrink to get him mentally prepared to get on stage and then a trained to get him in physical shape... (Kobe's should be available) I have watched him deteriorated in front of my eyes over the last 8 weeks. He was able to do multiple 360 spins back in April. He'd fall on his ass if he tried it now."
John Houghdahl was the stage manager of "This Is It" tour.

Email from Randy Phillips to Tim Leiweke on 6/19/09 : "We have a huge problem here." (ABC7)

Email on 6/19/09 from Leiweke to Phillips: Let's set up a time for your and I to meet with him. I want Kenny in the meeting as well. (ABC7)

Response from Phillips on Jun 20: Bugzee, I know because I just got Kenny's message on my voicemail.What did he do when he got there and what happened between him and KO? I have a meeting with MJ tomorrow morning. (ABC7)

From Hougdahl (Bugzee)to Phillips, cc'd Gongaware: MJ came out and watched all the pyro demonstration and endorsed the all the effects then went into his room and asked Kenny "you aren't going to kill the artist, are you?" We assumed this was reference to pyro, but Kenny said he was shaking and couldn't hold his knife and fork. Kenny had to cut his food for him before he could eat, and then had to use his fingers. I don't know how much embellishment there is to this, but (Kenny) said repeatedly that MJ was in no shape to go on stage. He kept going on and on how no one was taking responsibility for "getting him ready". We might be getting beyond ... damage control, here. (ABC7)

Email from Phillips to Gongaware on 6/20/09 at 1:52 am : Tim and I are going to see him tomorrow, however, I'm not sure what the problem is Chemical or Physiological? (ABC7)

Email from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09
Trouble at the Front
"I honestly don't think he's ready for this based in his continued physical weakening and deepening emotional state. It is reminiscent if what Karen, Bush, Travis and I remembered just before he fainted causing the HBO Concerts to be canceled. There are strong signs of paranoia, anxiety and obsessive-like behavior. I think the very best thing we can do is get a top Psychiatrist in to evaluate him ASAP. It’s like there are two people there. One (deep inside) trying to hold on to what he was and still can be and not wanting us to quit him, the other in his weakened and troubled state … I honestly felt if I had encouraged or allowed him on stage last night he could have hurt himself. I believe we need professional guidance in this matter." (ABC7 & LA Times)

mail from Ortega to Phillips on 6/20/09 at 2am: My concern is now that we have brought the doctor in the fold and have applied tough love, now or never card, that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion

Email on 6/20/09 from Ortega to Phillips: Finally, it's important for everyone to know, I believe that he really wants this it would shatter him, break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. He asked me repeatedly tonight if I was going to leave him. He was practically begging for my confidence. He broke my heart. He was like a lost boy. There still may be a chance he can arise to the occasion. If we get him the help he needs. (ABC7)

Same email, from CM's trial, from ortega to phillips :
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Randy

I will do whatever I can to be of help with this situation. If you need me to come to the house, just give me a call in the morning. My concern is now that we've brought the doctor into the fold and have played the tough love, now or never card is that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to real emotional stuff. He appeared quite weak and fatigued this evening. He had a terrible case of the chills, was trembling, rambling and obsessing. Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated. If we have any chance at all to get him back in the light. It's going to take a strong therapist to help him through this as well as immediate physical nurturing. I was told by our chereographer that during the artists costume fitting with his designer tonight they noticed he's lost more weight. As far as i can tell there is no one taking care responsibility (caring for) for him on a daily basis. Where was his assistant tonight? Tonight I was feeding him, wrapping him in blankets to warm his chills, massaging his feet to calm him and calling his doctor. There were four security guards outside his door, but no one offering him a cup of hot tea. Finally it's important for everyone to know , I believe that he really wants this. I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. He asked me repeatedly tonight if i was going to leave him. H e was practically begging for my confidence. It broke my heart. H e was like a lost boy. There still may be a chance he can rise to the occasion if we get him the help he needs

Sincerely,
Kenny

Phillips responded: Kenny, I will call you when I figure this out,we have a person like that, Brigitte, who's in London advancing his stay. We will bring her back asap and Frank, too, however, I'm stymied on who to bring in as a therapist and how they can get through to him in such a short time. (ABC7)

From Gongaware to Phillips, on 6/20/09 at 5:59 am : Take the doctor with you. Why wasn't he there last night? (ABC7)

Phone message to Murray left by Jackson’s manager Frank DiLeo on June 20, 2009.
“I’m sure you’re aware he had an episode last night. He’s sick. Today’s Saturday, tomorrow I’m on my way back. I’m not gonna continue my trip. Uh, I think you need -- I think you need to get a blood test on him today. I -- I -- we gotta see what he’s doing. All right. Thank you.” (LATimes)

Phillips responded and added Tim Leiweke in the chain: He is not a psychiatrist so I'm not sure how effective he can be at this point. Obviously, getting him there is not the issue. It is much deeper.
From Phillips to Gongaware, on 6/20/09 at 2:01 pm : He is not a psychiatrist so I'm not sure how effective he can be at this point obviously, getting him there is not the issue. It is much deeper. (ABC7)

Email from Phillips: Unfortunately, we are running out of time. That's my biggest fear. . (ABC7) "That is my biggest fear," Phillips wrote to Gongaware and the CEO of AEG Live's parent company, Anschutz Entertainment Group, on June 20, 2009


Email on 6/20/09 from Phillips to LeiwekeComm and Kazoodi: This guy is really starting to concern me. Read his email and my response. Dr. Murray and I are meeting with MJ at 4pm today at The Forum. (ABC7)
Phillips also expressed concerns about Ortega, writing to Gongaware's private email address, "This guy is really starting to concern me." Gongaware testified Wednesday that he wasn't sure who Phillips was referring to, and his boss may have been expressing concerns about Jackson or Murray. (AP) Phillips sent this email to Leiweke and Gongaware's private email accounts. "Kazzodi" is a private email address that belongs to Gongaware
"This guy is starting to concern me," Phillips wrote in an email to Leiweke, Gongaware and Frank DiLeo. "It is not clear to me who 'this guy' is," Gongaware said. "I don't know what Randy meant here," Gongaware explained. "I can easily take 'this guy' is MJ here." (ABC7)

"The account was closed at the time," Gongaware testified, saying he never received the email. But he said he never denied it was sent.
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Gongaware said he had more than one "Kazoodi" email account. He said he was not using the account the email was sent to on 6/20.
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Email on 6/20/09 Phillips to Ortega : Kenny it's critical that neither you, me, anyone around this show become amateur psychiatrist/physicians. I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Murray, who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more. He said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform & discouraging him to will hasten his decline instead of stopping it. Dr. Murray also reiterated that he is mentally able to and was speaking to me from the house where he had spent the morning with MJ. This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he totally unbiased and ethical. (ABC7)

Email response from Philips to Kenny urging him, and everyone else, not to become amateur psychiatrists or physicians on 6/20/09. Email: "You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping this show now" (ABC7)

Email from John Branca to Phillips, Gongaware, Joel Katz, Frank DiLeo, Michael Kane on 6/20/09 : "I have the right therapist/spiritual advisor/substance abuse counselor who could help (recently helped Mike Tyson get sober and paroled) Do we know whether there is a substance issue involved (perhaps better discussed on the phone). (ABC7)

June 22nd 09


06/22/09 from Hougdahl (Production Manager, known as Bugzee) to Gongaware: Further to the earlier email Let's keep our 2 docu people out of here today, unless they stay in the dressing room area only. Tomorrow is another story... (ABC7)


After Michael's death

Another email was from Phillips after MJ’s death which said “Conrad is nuts. Remind me to tell you about his visits (redaction – strip clubs) the week MJ died.” (AP)

On Jun 25, 2009 Gabriel Sutter (a tech guy) wrote Gongaware a condolences email. "It was such an incredible shock to go through that experience," Gongaware explained. Gongaware's response on July 5, 2009: I was working on the Elvis tour when he died so I kind of knew what to expect. Still, quite a shock.(ABC7

July 9, 2009, email to music coordinator JoAnn Tominaga, Gongaware wrote, “We are ok with the band, singers and dancers doing interviews now. The only thing we ask is that they keep it positive and stress that MJ was active, engaged and not the emaciated person some want to paint him as being.” Answering questions from Jackson family attorney Brian Panish, Gongaware said he was not trying to control the film’s message. “We’re asking them to keep it positive,” he said.(LATimes)

“Make sure we take out the shots of MJ in that red leather jacket at the sound stage where the mini-movies were being filmed,” AEG Live president and co-chief executive Randy Phillips wrote in Aug. 9 email. “He looks way too think (sic) and skeletal.”

"This guy was willing to leave his practice for a very large sum of money, so we hired him," Phillips said. Panish also showed jurors an e-mail between AEG lawyers suggesting that Phillips told other interviewers AEG Live "hired" Murray. (CNN)


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Email from Ortega to Gongaware: "He has been slow at grabbing hold of the work" (ABC7)

mail from the band leader Michael Bearden: "MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time," Bearden wrote. "He can use the ballads to sing live and get his stamina back up, Once he's healthy enough and have more strength I Have full confidence he can sing the majority of the show live. His voice sounds amazing right now, he needs to build it back up. I still need all big dance numbers to be in the system so we can concentrate on choreography." (CNN)

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Phillips email after meeting at MJ's house: doctor was fantastic and I think Kenny's hysteria will be in check once MJ was alert/attentive
 
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the "tough love" meeting was allegedly sometime between June 16 to 18. (Most probably on 18th). The issue is as of now Karen Faye is the only one claiming that meeting and her information is double hearsay. That meeting - if true- wasn't raised up during the criminal trial. I think we need to wait Ortega and Phillips to testify about any such meeting and the contents of it.

Kenny refers to it in his june 20th e mail. But yes, we need to wait to see how it went on.
 
I'm kind of at a loss to understand how all these emails and a lot of the testimony is relevant to the lawsuit at hand, I'm guessing it must be or the judge wouldn't be allowing it.
 
mod note: do me a favor and don't address any ill wishes and give moderators time to be able to address it.
 
I'm kind of at a loss to understand how all these emails and a lot of the testimony is relevant to the lawsuit at hand, I'm guessing it must be or the judge wouldn't be allowing it.

civil trials are a lot more relax than a criminal trial. so almost anything goes.

emails help the point of "known or should have known", the name calling could be used to argue that they did not care for Michael.

however there's not much new information in regards to negligent hiring

for example

AEG have said they have never did a background check on an independent contractor and they did not do a background check for anyone on TII - Jacksons did not show an explanation why Murray is an exemption.

yes people started working without a written contract but they did not got paid until it was signed.

murray's contract was a special contract (different than everyone else) that said "artists request" and needed Michael's signature. So it never got executed.

Murray's contract had an indemnity clause.
 
re Kenny's 6/20/09 email: he says this;

"Finally, it's important for everyone to know, I believe that he really wants this. It would shatter him, break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away."

Why would Kenny write this if the shows could not be cancelled without MJ's agreement (as was said earlier)?? Why would MJ be so scared "it's all going away'?? Was there a clause in the contract that AEG could break the contract if the artist did not meet certain expectations? Was MJ just showing paranoia here?
 
does anyone remeber when Kai Chase was let go and re hired in march june 09 ? I'm wondering if she could be the "nutritionnist" ?

EDIT : it's not in her testimony at the trial
 
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re Kenny's 6/20/09 email: he says this;

"Finally, it's important for everyone to know, I believe that he really wants this. It would shatter him, break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away."

Why would Kenny write this if the shows could not be cancelled without MJ's agreement (as was said earlier)?? Why would MJ be so scared "it's all going away'?? Was there a clause in the contract that AEG could break the contract if the artist did not meet certain expectations? Was MJ just showing paranoia here?

I think they threatened him with canceling the shows, as a part of the tough love "therapy".
I'm thinking the tough love thing, especially if it was not explained to Michael- we don't know that 100% yet, we need to wait to see how those meetings turned out - , could have had just the opposite effect on him. On top of this, he was over exhausted from Murray's "treatment", it must have been a real nightmare until he finally "improved". So, no, I wouldn't call this paranoia, at least not yet.

it's just heart breaking.
 
re Kenny's 6/20/09 email: he says this;

"Finally, it's important for everyone to know, I believe that he really wants this. It would shatter him, break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away."

Why would Kenny write this if the shows could not be cancelled without MJ's agreement (as was said earlier)?? Why would MJ be so scared "it's all going away'?? Was there a clause in the contract that AEG could break the contract if the artist did not meet certain expectations? Was MJ just showing paranoia here?

Michael was afraid cause for the medias, it would have been like " MJ can't even do concerts anymore, he's finished, he can do music anymore " and with that, no money to earn as well, it was a lot of money for Mike these concerts, both AEG and Mike had a lot to win with these concerts.
 
Havnt followed the case at all over the last couple of weeks. its great im clueless about the crap being thrown at mj. ignorance is certainly bliss! as if i didnt come in here i wouldnt even know there was a lawsuit. anyway seen the comment by the AEG lawyer calling mj a F .just wondering what has that got to do with the lawsuit.are the family scrapping the barrell that much already? whys the judge even allowing stuff like that. dont answer that.
anyway back to ignorance
 
Havnt followed the case at all over the last couple of weeks. its great im clueless about the crap being thrown at mj. ignorance is certainly bliss! as if i didnt come in here i wouldnt even know there was a lawsuit. anyway seen the comment by the AEG lawyer calling mj a F .just wondering what has that got to do with the lawsuit.are the family scrapping the barrell that much already? whys the judge even allowing stuff like that. dont answer that.
anyway back to ignorance

This is going on:
AEG attorney Marvin Putnam was dismissive of the plaintiffs' case, saying much of the evidence did not deal with the relevant issues but was introduced to inflame the jury. "If you can't put on a case, put on a show," Putnam said.

The way they carries on, I'm going to have to agree with Putnam.
 
It's pretty evident that the name-calling e-mails are being introduced to drive home the point that AEG didn't care about Michael or his health but just viewed him as a cash cow. At least that's what I'm gathering from it. Either way, I personally thing that was the case with the AEG higher up's, not with the likes of Ortega & Phillips. Those e-mails could be damning I suppose, the one's from the AEG team that say "we pay Murray's salary, not Michael" and that AEG would speak with Murray and neither Michael or his representatives had nothing to do with it. I don't know the specifics of everything regarding his contract, but those e-mails in itself present a loose, but valid argument for The Jacksons.
 
Murray's contract had an indemnity clause.

what's that ?

I belive it would be a hold harmless Indemnity where one cannot be sued for any damages that may occur. But in case of negligence or a criminal act the indemnity would be void ..

A Hold Harmless Agreement used in a variety of situations, such as when one party is using the property or facilities of another, one party is performing services for another, or one party is participating in an activity hosted by another party. A Hold Harmless Agreement is most commonly used in a business transaction where one party agrees not to hold the other party responsible for any damage or liability that may occur during the transaction. A Hold Harmless Agreement may not be valid if one of the parties performs actions in a negligent or intentionally bad manner, or if one of the parties has committed a fraudulent or criminal act.
 
what's that ?

not being liable

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It's pretty evident that the name-calling e-mails are being introduced to drive home the point that AEG didn't care about Michael or his health but just viewed him as a cash cow. At least that's what I'm gathering from it. Either way, I personally thing that was the case with the AEG higher up's, not with the likes of Ortega & Phillips. Those e-mails could be damning I suppose, the one's from the AEG team that say "we pay Murray's salary, not Michael" and that AEG would speak with Murray and neither Michael or his representatives had nothing to do with it. I don't know the specifics of everything regarding his contract, but those e-mails in itself present a loose, but valid argument for The Jacksons.

If someone in the company I'm working for calls me a degrogatory name in an email, how does that affect my employment status? It doesn't. It has nothing to do with anything as far as the issue--did AEG negligently hire and supervise CM.
 
and Gonga objected too and said to forget him, but he got phone call from MJ's assistant and MJ told him to offer $150 K

I think Gonga objected to the 5 million initially if I'm not mistaken. Then MJ offered the 150K and it seems Phillips objected to that too, but MJ insisted on it, so they accepted.
 
Michael was afraid cause for the medias, it would have been like " MJ can't even do concerts anymore, he's finished, he can do music anymore " and with that, no money to earn as well, it was a lot of money for Mike these concerts, both AEG and Mike had a lot to win with these concerts.

The Las Vegas oddsmakers were predicting Michael Jackson would not do all 50 Show's. This was around May/June, 2009. As I'm sure this didn't help matters with Michael Jackson's stage fright!
 
virginia_woolf;3828876 said:
Unfortunately the lawyers are not paid by the Jacksons. The Estate pays them. Katherine makes sure of that. And that gets on my nerves, the family drags his name through the mud and he has to pay for it.

I really hope that it is not the case!
Contingency Fees

At Panish Shea & Boyle LLP, we believe in our clients and their cases. Because of this, the firm works on a contingency fee basis. This means that our clients owe no attorney’s fees and will not be required to pay any costs until a recovery is obtained for the client in the case.

Nowhere Michael's Will states that the estate have pay to Katherine's cost for suing AEG. His Will states:
"The trustee may distribute as much of the net income and/or principal of the trust estate as the trustee deems necessary or desirable, in his absolute discretion, for Katherine's care, support, maintenance, comfort and well-being".

In my opinion, paying her lawyers to throw MJ under the bus doesn't qualify as care, support, maintenance or well-being of Katherine, and the estate should not pay what Randy started.

We will know for sure whether they have sent their billing to the estate after the estate files next accounting, which is belive either of these:
05/30/2013 at 10:00 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ACCOUNT CURRENT
or this one:
12/06/2013 at 08:30 am in department 5 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE - PROBATE(RE FNL ACCTG OR 12200 STATUS RPTTO BE FILED AND SET FOR HRG.)
 
does anyone remeber when Kai Chase was let go and re hired in march june 09 ? I'm wondering if she could be the "nutritionnist" ?

EDIT : it's not in her testimony at the trial

She was first hired in March.
"Chase said that the three Jackson children interviewed her. They told her they were into "healthy food." After she got the job and had been there for several weeks, Chase said she wrote Michael Jackson a note suggesting that they have "comfort-food Saturdays." She suggested barbecued chicken, Mexican food, soul food, and the like. Jackson loved the idea, but a couple weeks before his death, he insisted that the menu go back to salads and "healthy food" because he didn't want to cramp up while dancing."

I knew I read it somewhere that MJ had cramps but couldn't remeber where I read it:)

"She was let go from her chef's duties in May but rehired for the upcoming concert tour. Kai Chase said that Prince Michael Jackson, the King of Pop's oldest son, informed her that his father would like her to go to London with the family. She said she told him she would be honored."
 
Bubs;3829295 said:
I really hope that it is not the case!
Contingency Fees

At Panish Shea & Boyle LLP, we believe in our clients and their cases. Because of this, the firm works on a contingency fee basis. This means that our clients owe no attorney’s fees and will not be required to pay any costs until a recovery is obtained for the client in the case.

What happen if the trial gonna last for years and at the end KJ lost the trial? Lawyers don't work for free, so Mike will have to pay for the mistakes of his family once again.
 
What happen if the trial gonna last for years and at the end KJ lost the trial? Lawyers don't work for free, so Mike will have to pay for the mistakes of his family once again.

In my opinion, paying K's lawyers fees it not what MJ stated in his Will, and the estate can and hopefully will refuse paying those bills. They have given a lot to Katherine, but they don't have to pay everything she wants, it is up to them to decide.

As to why would her lawyers would work free? I was looking their website, and to me they look like typical ambulance chasers discribed in John Crishams book:)
They do say that they take their fees from clients "winnings", and they been working on this a quite long time, so in case K is awarded any monies, most of it end up to her lawyers pockets.

In worst case scenario,Katherine and Randy can go to Janet as she is billionare now and is loaded:)

The last bit of your post is so true, this family is notoriously known for doing and starting something without thinking through. They love to start all sort of crappy businesses, but usually end belly up and broke.
 
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In my opinion, paying K's lawyers fees it not what MJ stated in his Will, and the estate can and hopefully will refuse paying those bills. They have given a lot to Katherine, but they don't have to pay everything she wants, it is up to them to decide.

As to why would her lawyers would work free? I was looking their website, and to me they look like typical ambulance chasers discribed in John Crishams book:)
They do say that they take their fees from clients "winnings", and they been working on this a quite long time, so in case K is awarded any monies, most of it end up to her lawyers pockets.

In worst case scenario,Katherine and Randy can go to Janet as she is billionare now and is loaded:)


The last bit of your post is so true, this family is notoriously known for doing and starting something without thinking through. They love to start all sort of crappy businesses, but usually end belly up and broke.

:rofl:
 
There are a lot of fees involved in a lawsuit - such as cost of the reporter for the depositions, transcripts, jury fees and so on. Even though you can say the lawyers don't take any money for themselves, they would need money for the costs.
 
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