Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

[Big Apple2]

Attorney Brian Panish, who represents Katherine Jackson, on Monday compared Ortega's emails to messages between the promoter and the singer's personal physician laying out how he would be compensated.

In my opinion, the only problem with Mr. Panish's assessment is that Murray was NEVER paid, but Mr. Ortega was. Therein lies one of their problems with this particular argument.

Now had Murray been paid for his services, that would be a different story.

One difference I, personally, see is that Kenny Ortega was paid, because AEG along with Michael wanted Mr. Ortega to be part of the tour. On the other hand, I don't really think AEG was too keen on Murray and were hoping that Michael would change his mind.

I had asked way, way back, if maybe AEG throw Murray a few dollars to hold him down, until everything was formalized, but apparently they didn't even do that and I'm sure they could have, IF they really wanted to.

 

[ivy]

Michael Jackson's family offered to settle lawsuit, lawyer says

By Jeff Gottlieb
May 21, 2013, 12:30 p.m.
A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family said they offered to settle their wrongful-death suit against concert promoter Anschutz Entertainment Group, but that they never got an answer.

Kevin Boyle, an attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, said the family made the offers in January and March.

Boyle would not provide details but said AEG’s insurance would have paid, “which means they could have settled the case without them paying a dime of their money.”

He said AEG has never offered to settle “and they haven’t apologized.”

Marvin Putnam, an attorney for AEG, said it was inappropriate to discuss settlement discussions.

“We don’t settle matters that are utterly baseless,” he said. “We believe that is the case in this matter. I can’t see why we would consider a settlement as anything other than a shakedown.”

AEG was the promoter and producer of Jackson's comeback concert series in London. The singer died June 25, 2009, at the end of rehearsals, of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol administered by Dr. Conrad Murray.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

The Jacksons say in their lawsuit that AEG negligently hired and supervised Murray. AEG says Jackson hired Murray and that any money the firm was supposed to pay him would have been loans to the singer.

The trial, in its fourth week, is expected to take as long as three more months.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-trial-20130521,0,6307620.story

 

[goldiee]

so this says they really didn't want justice, they wanted the money. give us the money aeg and we'll shut up and go away. le sigh

 

[LastTear]

so this says they really didn't want justice, they wanted the money. give us the money aeg and we'll shut up and go away. le sigh

Absolutely! That's exactly what it says to me. Can I add that KJ's lawyer strikes me as extremely unprofessional.

 

[Vici]

Yes , that's what I understood too.

Hmmm okay... how will AEG explain this then? I mean both Ortega and Murray were independent contractors and both had no signed agreements but Kenny was paid and Murray wasnt.

 

[ivy]

Anna Marie Drago ?@annamariex0 7m
Funny how the Jackson's are saying that AEG forced Michael Jackson to hire my uncle, Frank Dileo, which is a lie!!

Anna Marie Drago ?@annamariex0 4m
I was at my uncles house when joe AND Katherine called my uncle begging him to come back and manage Michael!!

Anna Marie Drago ?@annamariex0 3m
The Jackson's are fake people and everyone feeds into their bullshitt!!

Anna Marie Drago @annamariex0
Also if you don't know my Uncle DON'T talk shit! He was a great person and a great friend to Michael Jackson!!! I'm So sick of this shit!

 

[serendipity]

Hmmm okay... how will AEG explain this then? I mean both Ortega and Murray were independent contractors and both had no signed agreements but Kenny was paid and Murray wasnt.

Kenny did have a signed contract, they showed it in court today.

 

[qbee]

So Shawn Trell said that Ortega and Murray were both considered independent contractors.. Kenny was paid but Murray was not. Is that because Murrays agreement was not signed?

But Ortegas agreement wasnt a real proper one? I understood it they were emailing specifics about Kennys agreement but they never drafted one for him, is that correct?

In my opinion, the only problem with Mr. Panish's assessment is that Murray was NEVER paid, but Mr. Ortega was. Therein lies one of their problems with this particular argument.

Now had Murray been paid for his services, that would be a different story.

One difference I, personally, see is that Kenny Ortega was paid, because AEG along with Michael wanted Mr. Ortega to be part of the tour. On the other hand, I don't really think AEG was too keen on Murray and were hoping that Michael would change his mind.

I had asked way, way back, if maybe AEG throw Murray a few dollars to hold him down, until everything was formalized, but apparently they didn't even do that and I'm sure they could have, IF they really wanted to.

Kenny did have a signed contract, they showed it in court today.

Yes the witness Trell said he misspoke and didn't remember Kenny had a contract. It was produced in court today
Also I would find it very odd if Kenny didn't have a contract. I can't see him even agreeing to come aboard without one.

 

[Petrarose]

I see that Treel corrected his testimony today and said Kenny did have a contract signed.

How about Panish claiming that they asked AEG to settle before & AEG did not answer. Just as we thought guys. The family wanted a quick settlement & would have taken that money and run. Rebbie was reading from her Bible before court started. I know she is not praying for the same thing I am praying for.

 

[Aquarius]

Did AEG had anything to do with the MSG show? Karen said on that show a doc gave Michael some med that will make him sleep for 4-6 hrs. Why would a doc do that knowing Michael had to be on stage in the next few hours?

I was heartbreaking to read what Karen said about the ear piece that Michael didn't want to use during rehearsal but at the same time how could anyone know if its true if its coming from Karen.

Does anyone recall when did Dileo called Conrad? Was it after 6/20?

 

[Petrarose]

Why aren't the articles detailing the cross-examination. If we did not have the transcripts we would not know about Karen's "forgetfulness" during cross examination.We are mainly getting answers to Panish's questions. Anyone wondering what amount Panish wanted for a settlement?

Something interesting is that Branca also wondered about substance abuse. The sad thing is that everyone was asking someone else what was happening & believed Michael was probably abusing something like demerol. No one thought about Muarry.

What I felt was significant today was that Treel mentions they were told something was wrong but within 5 days Michael died. It seems, by the time they found out, time ran out. I think Ivy also had speculated about that being the case.

 

[Ashtanga]

It's amazing that the whole thing becomes increasingly worse over the course of this trial. :no: I can not wait to finish this mess. *big sigh*

 

[8701girl]

Michael Jackson's family offered to settle lawsuit, lawyer says

By Jeff Gottlieb
May 21, 2013, 12:30 p.m.
A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family said they offered to settle their wrongful-death suit against concert promoter Anschutz Entertainment Group, but that they never got an answer.

Kevin Boyle, an attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, said the family made the offers in January and March.

Boyle would not provide details but said AEG’s insurance would have paid, “which means they could have settled the case without them paying a dime of their money.”

He said AEG has never offered to settle “and they haven’t apologized.”

Marvin Putnam, an attorney for AEG, said it was inappropriate to discuss settlement discussions.

“We don’t settle matters that are utterly baseless,” he said. “We believe that is the case in this matter. I can’t see why we would consider a settlement as anything other than a shakedown.”

AEG was the promoter and producer of Jackson's comeback concert series in London. The singer died June 25, 2009, at the end of rehearsals, of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol administered by Dr. Conrad Murray.

PHOTOS: Michael Jackson | 1958-2009

The Jacksons say in their lawsuit that AEG negligently hired and supervised Murray. AEG says Jackson hired Murray and that any money the firm was supposed to pay him would have been loans to the singer.

The trial, in its fourth week, is expected to take as long as three more months.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-trial-20130521,0,6307620.story

This just proves the jacksons dont care bout real justice

 

[Petrarose]

^^Most of us knew that. Some thought this case was about justice, to learn who was responsible for killing Michael & make them pay. The only thing that shocked me was that I did not know he would come out and openly admit that, especially after some in the media felt this was a money grab.

 

[8701girl]

^^Most of us knew that. Some thought this case was about justice, to learn who was responsible for killing Michael & make them pay. The only thing that shocked me was that I did not know he would come out and openly admit that, especially after some in the media felt this was a money grab.

what do you mean by "he would come out and openly admit it"? ..who are u talkin bout?

 

[Petrarose]

^^ I am talking about the previous comments. Boyle, Katherine's lawyer stating that he asked for a settlement from AEG before they went to court and AEG did not respond.

I can't believe the trial is already in its 4th week. I wonder how much longer Katherine's side will be giving evidence. This case is a real sleeper.

 

[Tygger]

Bouee, I thought Phillips started the tough love concept?

Bubs, I still disagree. Remember, Michael wanted the doctor present pre-tour and, if AllGood is to be believed, AllGood had a condition before signing Michael. They would most likely be adverse to hiring the doctor Michael wanted because of that condition.

Trell testified today that Live Nation was also seeking a deal with Michael. I would not assume Live Nation would be inclined to hire the doctor as Trell testified it is not customary for a promoter or producer to do. To answer your question, from what I understand, Michael was not able to pay the doctor; at least not at the rate the doctor requested. If Live Nation would not hire the doctor, the doctor was not going to continue with Michael.

Bubs, Ivy, I do not feel the plaintiffs’ lawyers are doing a good job because they are presenting their case first. I believe they are doing a good job because they are. The plaintiffs would not hire an average legal team when they can afford the best. This team is focused in that each witness has shown the doctor to be negligent, that AEG most likely hired the doctor, and/or they were negligent in their hiring. There has not been a witness that did not testify to one of those three criteria.

Personally, I do not see the importance of Faye’s memory lapse. Dr. Forecast was most likely not hired by the tour promoter or producer. Dr. Finkelstein will speak to his deposition that he spoke directly to Gongaware about Michael and issues he felt he had.

For jurors doing the “right thing,” again, it is not monitored which is why there is normally no evidence. We will never know. The defendants can still bring up current accusations without saying the accuser’s name or presenting any of his ridiculous claims.

Despite some fans feelings about the motive for this lawsuit, the majority of civil lawsuits in the United States end in settlement before trial. The plaintiffs' lawyer's settlement question to the defendants' lawyer is customary. What is interesting is why they made the public statement. I believe “ugly stuff” will happen with Gongaware on the stand and AEG may wish they could have avoided this with the settlement.

 

[bouee]

No one thought about Muarry.

What I felt was significant today was that Treel mentions they were told something was wrong but within 5 days Michael died. It seems, by the time they found out, time ran out. I think Ivy also had speculated about that being the case.

From everything we heard so far, problems started in early june I think and culminated on June 19th. First, it was Michael not showing up at rehearsals, then a week later someone said that Michael was told by Murray not to attend a rehearsal, then a few days later there's june 19th. So it went gradually worse, and then got suddenly better on 23rd and 24th.
And there is still this unsolved question of was Michael getting thinner or not (some say he was losing weight, some only mentionned he was thin)
.

ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 13m
Email cont'd: based on his continued physical weakening and deepening emotional state..."

Trell said he didn't see these emails.
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Email from Ortega to Randy Phillips on 6/20/09: (chain of emails)
"I honestly don't think he is ready for this...
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...-discussion)?p=3827263&viewfull=1#post3827263

I'm not sure , i think this Ortega to Phillips/Gongaware. It shows Michael is gradually getting worse.

It would be helpful to have those e mails, because the timeline and who said what to who get confusing at times.

Then we have this :

This is twitter so start at the bottom, keep in mind that there was a meeating on june 20th, I think it was in the morning, at Michael's house.

From Phillips to Gongaware, on 6/20/09 at 2:01 pm
He is not a psychiatrist so I'm not sure how effective he can be at this point...
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From Gongaware to Phillips, on 6/20/09 at 5:59 am
Take the doctor with you. Why wasn't he there last night?
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Email cont'd: Chemical or Physiological?
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Email from Phillips to Gongaware on 6/20/09 at 1:52 am
Tim and I are going to see him tomorrow, however, I'm not sure what the problem is

Then this, still june 20th, but we don't know the time (was before or after the meeting ?) .

Panish showed an email written by AEG Live President and CEO Randy Phillips on June 20, 2009, to “This Is It” director Kenny Ortega, who had insisted Jackson was in need of a psychiatrist.

Phillips replied:

“I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Murray, who I am gaining immense respect for as I get to deal with him more. He said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform and, that discouraging him to, will hasten his decline instead of stopping it.... This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he [is] totally unbiased and ethical.”

Phillips seems to be contradicting himself (not sure Murray can be effective at this point at 2 pm, after the meeting). And email to Kenny Ortega "we check everyone out', Murray is a great doctor.

That would be more than useful to have a copy of the emails, sorted.

How can anyone believe that Michael was "physically equipped" after seeing june 19th and before seeing 23rd ?? It's getting weirder and weirder. Murray lied, that's clear (and AEG doesn't look like they will mention that) , and now I'm wondering to what extent Phillips lied too.

 

[bouee]

Bouee, I thought Phillips started the tough love concept?
.

I don't know , it would sound logical to me that Murray either started it , or encouraged Phillips to believe it was a psychological issue, and so that "tough love" would help.
I'm not sure Phillips would have invented it, or "diagnosed" this on his own. I don't know enough about Phillips , but I can totally see Murray playing the hero "let me handle this, I know him, he's having a nervous breakdown", and isolate Michael this way, at the same time as trying to get Phillip's trust. Murray was securing his job, and keeping the attention away from what he was really doing.

 

[Tygger]

Bouee, from Ivy's summary of the civil trial, post # 9, Sankey's testimony:

Ortega, she said, was frustrated with Jackson's absences. (LAtimes) Producers expressed concern on MJ rehearsal attendance by the beginning of June. Sankey was worried. Sankey testified MJ was not at rehearsal for the first week of June. He came to rehearsal June 6th. That was after a tough love meeting with MJ and the show Director and Producer that Sankey said was tough love. ..... (ABC7)

From Ivy's summary of the criminal trial:

Phillips:

Phillips says he wasn’t sure what Ortega meant by tough love and pulling the plug...Chernoff asks what Ortega meant by tough love, pulling the plug. Phillips says he doesn’t know and that he’s not in Kenny’s mind.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...discussion-November-7-Verdict-announced/page3

 

[Bubs]

Michael Jackson's family offered to settle lawsuit, lawyer says

A lawyer for Michael Jackson’s family said they offered to settle their wrongful-death suit against concert promoter Anschutz Entertainment Group, but that they never got an answer.

Kevin Boyle, an attorney for Jackson’s mother and three children, said the family made the offers in January and March.

Boyle would not provide details but said AEG’s insurance would have paid, “which means they could have settled the case without them paying a dime of their money.”

He said AEG has never offered to settle “and they haven’t apologized.”

Marvin Putnam, an attorney for AEG, said it was inappropriate to discuss settlement discussions.

“We don’t settle matters that are utterly baseless,” he said. “We believe that is the case in this matter. I can’t see why we would consider a settlement as anything other than a shakedown.”

AEG was the promoter and producer of Jackson's comeback concert series in London. The singer died June 25, 2009, at the end of rehearsals, of an overdose of the anesthetic propofol administered by Dr. Conrad Murray.

The Jacksons say in their lawsuit that AEG negligently hired and supervised Murray. AEG says Jackson hired Murray and that any money the firm was supposed to pay him would have been loans to the singer.

The trial, in its fourth week, is expected to take as long as three more months.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-trial-20130521,0,6307620.story

Huh, didn't see that one coming (sarcasm) :doh:

That was the reason plaintiffs started so late preparing with their depositions and calling CM to testify for them.
That is the reason they leaked those emails, they tried to push AEG to settle.
That is the reason for article earlier this year that jackson "Insider" said that they are expecting $ 100 million settlement from AEG.

What happen to this:
The attorney who filed the suit, Brian J. Panish, released a statement saying, "The purpose of this lawsuit is to prove to the world the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson, once and for all."

If Katherine gets enough money, she is willing to forget the truth and to find out what happen to Michael.
I wonder how much she is expecting to get from Michael's head?

With this she settlement thing she put herself in the same place than Chandlers, nothing more than (insert your own words here).


We haven't heard from AEG testimonies and witnesses yet, but they must have something/someone to support their defence thus refusing to settle. They refused to settle even thou AEG's insurance would had paid the settlement as Boyle states below:
"Boyle would not provide details but said AEG’s insurance would have paid, “which means they could have settled the case without them paying a dime of their money.”

They must have some hefty stuff in their sleeve if they were "offered" twice by Jackson's to settle, but they said no.

 

[Bubs]

Murray started that tough love thingy. Sankay etc just repeating what they heard second hand but don't know the source. Karen said that Kenny told her CM told them to show tough love to Michael.
I assume CM told Kenny, Phillips etc and they repeated that to others.

"Phillips seems to be contradicting himself (not sure Murray can be effective at this point at 2 pm, after the meeting). And email to Kenny Ortega "we check everyone out', Murray is a great doctor."

We haven't heard from Phillips yet, but it could be that he meant that they checked his licences, if there were any medical malpractices, and found them ok.
Didn't Trell say on stand that they are not required to check background for independed contractors.

 

[Bubs]

Why aren't the articles detailing the cross-examination. If we did not have the transcripts we would not know about Karen's "forgetfulness" during cross examination.We are mainly getting answers to Panish's questions. Anyone wondering what amount Panish wanted for a settlement?

Something interesting is that Branca also wondered about substance abuse. The sad thing is that everyone was asking someone else what was happening & believed Michael was probably abusing something like demerol. No one thought about Muarry.

What I felt was significant today was that Treel mentions they were told something was wrong but within 5 days Michael died. It seems, by the time they found out, time ran out. I think Ivy also had speculated about that being the case.

It is annoying that articles don't cover anything about cross-examinations. ABC 7 court twitter has a little bit of defences replies and Anthony McCartney has even less:-(

I think too that the time run out to find out what was going on with Michael.

 

[bouee]

Bouee, from Ivy's summary of the civil trial, post # 9, Sankey's testimony:



From Ivy's summary of the criminal trial:

Phillips:

interesting to bring up Phillips testimony at CM's trial.
it starts here, at the end of this post : http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ct-announced?p=3520343&viewfull=1#post3520343

Ok, we'll see who had this idea , and based on what. If Murray didn't start it, I think , and said, he encouraged it. He must have been only too happy to lead / confirm people in the wrong direction, as he did with Klein.

Again, what's missing now is putting all the emails together, and sort them out by date.

a few relevant parts of Phillips testimony at murray's trial :

In March MJ told he wanted Ortega to be the director of the concerts. Ortega was hired and then auditions were done and additional personnel were hired in April. Rehearsals started in May.

MJ talked about a personal doctor in May. RP was away and heard it from Dileo, Gongaware and Whooley. They asked if Phillips can talk MJ out of hiring his own doctor. Phillips told MJ it would be expensive to bring a US doctor to London and asked if MJ would hire a doctor that’s based in London. MJ was firm and said he wanted his own physician. Gongaware negotiated with Murray.

There was a meeting at the first week of June. Dileo was worried about MJ not eating enough. CM said he’ll make sure that MJ ate properly and he’ll give MJ supplemental protein drinks. CM told them MJ’s health was good. Phillips say it is obvious to him that MJ trusted CM and they had close relationship. This was the first time Phillips met CM.

There was a concern raised by Ortega at the second week of June. Ortega felt like MJ wasn’t as engaged as he needed to be. The main concern was MJ’s focus and attending rehearsals.

Phillips says he wasn’t sure what Ortega meant by tough love and pulling the plug. Phillips say no one was contemplating pulling the plug and there was no concern that the show would be cancelled, they would have been postponed. After Ortega’s email Dileo called and asked Phillips to arrange a meeting. Phillips called CM to arrange the meeting.

During one conversation Phillips mentioned CM that MJ was seeing Klein. Phillips mentioned this because at one production meeting MJ wasn’t as focused as he usually was (Phillips say MJ was generally laser focused). Phillips asked MAW if MJ was okay and MAW had told him he just came back from Klein.

June 20th meeting. MJ, CM, Phillips and Ortega were present. Ortega started by saying MJ needed to focus and show more engagement. MJ told Ortega that he was ready and “you build the house and I’ll put the door and paint”.
.......

Phillips says he learned in May 2009 that MJ had a personal doctor. Phillips say he had no knowledge of what CM was doing as treatment to MJ.

Phillips says it never got to the point that they considered to pull the plug on TII concerts.

Phillips says he mentioned that MJ was seeing Klein in the meeting at the first week of June. Phillips says CM either knew or said that he would check into it.

Phillips again asked about TII concerts. Phillips says MJ was motivated and that he’s a genius. Phillips again tells how the concerts were increased to 50 shows. After the presales demand Gongaware asked him to talk to Michael. Phillips called Tohme and MJ called him within 20 minutes. MJ said he’ll do 50 shows but wanted Guinness Book of World records to document it and he wanted an estate for his kids. Phillips says that MJ was a phenomenal father.

Walgren goes over the meetings. The meeting in first week of June was about MJ not eating enough and CM said he’ll take care of it. MJ had great trust in CM. 19th June meeting was about missing rehearsals. CM was very reassuring and told Ortega to take care of the show and CM was the doctor and he would take care of MJ’s health.

Phillips said he never felt that MJ was not able to do the shows. Phillips says the reason the initial shows were pushed back had nothing to do with MJ’s health. Phillips says during the meeting they were always reassured by CM.

Chernoff talks about cancellation of the shows. Phillips says AEG had a contractual obligation to MJ and they (MJ and AEG) would have to mutually agree on cancelling the tour. Chernoff asks if contractually MJ was responsible for the production cost, Phillips says yes. Chernoff tries to ask more about the contract such as insurance but they are sustained.

Chernoff asks what Ortega meant by tough love, pulling the plug. Phillips says he doesn’t know and that he’s not in Kenny’s mind.

Chernoff asks why he mentioned Klein to CM. Phillips say at one meeting MJ was distracted and when he asked MAW if MJ was okay, MAW said he just came from Klein. Another time it was mentioned MJ couldn’t; come to a meeting because he had been at Klein.

so 1st week of june was about MJ not eating enough...
second week of june ortega "raised a concern" (must be when Murray supposedly forbade Michael to attend one rehearsal)
19th of june was about either missing rehearsals/ getting focused.

how does his testimony fit with this

(from mr Trell's testimony yesterday
ABC7 Court News ‏@ABC7Courts 20m
Email from Randy Phillips to Tim Leiweke on 6/19/09
"We have a huge problem here."

Ortega's testimony at CM's trial :
towards the end of this post
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...ct-announced?p=3495236&viewfull=1#post3495236

some relevant parts :

- Ortega started working in the middle of April '09 on This Is It. MJ was heavily involved.

- Preparation for This is It started as Center Stages In Burbank. Ortega, MJ and Travis Payne were conceptualizing the tour. Ortega states at this point, he was meeting with MJ 3 to 4 times a week.

- Rehearsals began at the Forum in LA in the beginning of June, '09. Michael's children did not attend rehearsals because he wanted them to focus on school. The rehearsals lasted 5-7 hours, from late afternoon until evening. There was stating, tech work, lighting and musical rehearsals done by MJ.

-Ortega states he met Murray in April or May of '09. MJ introduced Ortega to Murray at his home on Carolwood Drive. Murray came to rehearsal rarely; never at Center Stages, once at the Forum and never at Staples.

-MJ was not showing up for rehearsals in the middle of June, the last week at the Forum. Ortega was told it was a scheduling problem, and that there was a "continued absence".

- Friday, June 19, while still at the Forum, Ortega says MJ "wasn't right, wasn't well". He was chilled, appeared "lost and a little incoherent". Ortega states he gave MJ some food, wrapped him in blankets and gave him a heater. Michael, according to Ortega, asked him if he could sit and watch the performance, with Travis Payne filling in for MJ. Ortega agreed. Ortega emphasizes that he'd never seen MJ like that, and that he suggested Michael go home.

-Ortega is asked about an email that was sent to Randy Phillips at AEG Live on June 21, 09. In the email, Ortega reiterates that Michael was ill, chilled and was sent home. Ortega also states that MJ will need psychological help and lots of nurturing.



Text of the email

Randy

I will do whatever I can to be of help with this situation. If you need me to come to the house, just give me a call in the morning. My concern is now that we've brought the doctor into the fold and have played the tough love, now or never card is that the artist may be unable to rise to the occasion due to real emotional stuff. He appeared quite weak and fatigued this evening. He had a terrible case of the chills, was trembling, rambling and obsessing. Everything in me says he should be psychologically evaluated. If we have any chance at all to get him back in the light. It's going to take a strong therapist to help him through this as well as immediate physical nurturing. I was told by our chereographer that during the artists costume fitting with his designer tonight they noticed he's lost more weight. As far as i can tell there is no one taking care responsibility (caring for) for him on a daily basis. Where was his assistant tonight? Tonight I was feeding him, wrapping him in blankets to warm his chills, massaging his feet to calm him and calling his doctor. There were four security guards outside his door, but no one offering him a cup of hot tea. Finally it's important for everyone to know , I believe that he really wants this. I twould shatter him, Break his heart if we pulled the plug. He's terribly frightened it's all going to go away. He asked me repeatedly tonight if i was going to leave him. H e was practically begging for my confidence. It broke my heart. H e was like a lost boy. There still may be a chance he can rise to the occasion if we get him the help he needs

Sincerely,
Kenny

- Ortega states that there was a meeting on 6/19, with the heads of AEG, Randy Phillips and Gongaware. Ortega heard that Phillips and Gongaware told MJ that if he didn't start showing up to rehearsals, the This Is It tour would be cancelled.

-On 6/20/09, Ortega is asked to go to MJ's house for a meeting with Randy Phillips, Frank Dileo, Conrad Murray and MJ. The topic is that Murray is upset that Ortega home. Murray tells Ortega that he should stop being an amateur doctor, and leave that to Murray. Ortega clarifies that he did not make the decision to send Michael home on the rehearsal date 6/19, it was a mutual decision between Ortega and MJ. Ortega states that Murray's demeanor is stern.


-On cross examination, Ortega denies that he told Karen Faye that he "read Michael the riot act" or "don't placate him".

some details don't fit together. We'll see how it turns out.

 

[Vici]

"Putnam says he’s trying clarify everything as much as he can. Karen replies saying that after Michael died she tried to put these things behind her and move on with her life and it’s difficult for her to put all these information out like this. Putnam asks her about all of her tweets and blogs and asks if those were things she did after Michael died, Karen replies “mostly”. "


LOL

 

[Bubs]

"Putnam says he’s trying clarify everything as much as he can. Karen replies saying that after Michael died she tried to put these things behind her and move on with her life and it’s difficult for her to put all these information out like this. Putnam asks her about all of her tweets and blogs and asks if those were things she did after Michael died, Karen replies “mostly”. "


LOL

That was as funny as this part:
"Karen doesn’t remember. Putnam asks Karen if she was worried about Michael’s drug use between 1993 to 1996. Karen doesn’t remember what they were doing at that time period and she asks Putnam for help to tell her what Michael was doing at time period. Putnam says he has no idea what Michael was doing."

I must admit she is quite entertaining. She wants to put everything behind and move on, but spends countless hours on her blog, facebook and twitter talking to fans about Michael :smilerolleyes:

 

[Bubs]

AEG got Katherine to eat from their hands

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Every issue in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial is so disputed that even giving candy to jurors caused an argument.
AEG lawyers gave a bag of peppermint candy to the bailiff to hand out to the jury this week. Even Katherine Jackson -- the pop icon's mother -- enjoyed the treat.
But Jackson's lawyer raised an objection Tuesday afternoon, suggesting jurors might be influenced if they realized the source of the sweets.
A compromise was reached. Each side can provide snacks for jurors, but they'll be placed at the bailiff's desk before jurors enter court so they have no clue who brought it.

While the candy controversy might seem trivial, the stakes are high for AEG Live. The promoter and producer of Michael Jackson's comeback concerts could be found liable for billions of dollars in damages if the jury decides the company is responsible for the star's death.
Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live for the negligent hiring, retention or supervision of Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death.
The candy argument may be the most interesting thing about Tuesday's proceedings, unless you are a student of employment law and budgeting.


Rest of the article here, I didn't bother to copy the whole lot as it is repetition to yesterday's post:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/22/showbiz/jackson-death-trial/

 

[gerryevans]

Bouee, I thought Phillips started the tough love concept?

Bubs, I still disagree. Remember, Michael wanted the doctor present pre-tour and, if AllGood is to be believed, AllGood had a condition before signing Michael. They would most likely be adverse to hiring the doctor Michael wanted because of that condition.

I'm going to disagree with you on this. AEG is the second largest promoter in the world, promoting the biggest artists in the world. They conceded to Michael's wishes. AllGood could be adverse all they wanted to be. But this was Michael Jackson. The SINGLE biggest artist in the world. After seeing the demand for him after the announcement was made, they'd concede, too like AEG did. No matter what they said about pre-tour. Once they saw how hot fans were for the great one. They'd give him anything he wanted. Despite the nonsense they are spouting now.

 

[Bubs]

I don't think Allgood had any sort of condition, they just saying it afterwards
I think the truth is more like they were kissing MJ''s behind and were ready to do anything to get MJ to sign with them.

Who do they think they are by saying that first MJ have to go on rehab in order to get a gig with them, too laughable to be true.

 

[Justthefacts]

I said here a few months ago that the Jacksons were no different from the Chandlers. Now with news of this settlment offer solidifies my point. Horrible people