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^^All those doctors who harmed Michael didn't really care about him, they wanted a piece of his fame, money and prestige it gives to say "I'm Michael Jackson's doctor." I'm glad Debbie is exposing them as well, they totally deserve it.
 
I am glad Debbie is putting the blame on these doctor. AEG has put all the blame on Michael already.
These doctors in AEG mind did nothing wrong.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
^^All those doctors who harmed Michael didn't really care about him, they wanted a piece of his fame, money and prestige it gives to say "I'm Michael Jackson's doctor." I'm glad Debbie is exposing them as well, they totally deserve it.
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And that is what is so sad about this case these doctors didn't care and you are right their just want to say I'm Michael Jackson doctor. It just makes me so angry.


Oath (Do No Harm)
 
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So far Debbie is doing okay she has been on the stand for 55min and she is answering to the best of her abitly. Debbie has been crying alot throughout her testmony so far she really care about Michael and she believe these doctors took advantage of Michael because he was in so much pain.

Putnam ask Debbie how did you perpare for your testmony and Debbie said i took a shower.

Debbis has also said that she may not recall some dates of things

Putnam mention some names to Debbie she didn't know who their were.

I just hope Debbie be careful because Putnam may tip her up.
 
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i'm reading the summary from last week.
about june 28th, 2009. the meeting where tohme signed the budget.

is it correct to say if tohme sign this he will get the 200.000 from AEG? and if he signed that AEG get 35 million from the estate?
 
mjchris said:
i'm reading the summary from last week.
about june 28th, 2009. the meeting where tohme signed the budget.

is it correct to say if tohme sign this he will get the 200.000 from AEG? and if he signed that AEG get 35 million from the estate?
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The Estate has already paid back the $35 million that MJ owed AEG over production costs for TII.

Dont know anything about the 200,000.

(The issue here is although Dr Thome was fired and did not rep MJ at that time and had no power-of-attorney, AEG went to him and he signed that document that approved $35 million to AEG)
 
Vici said:
The Estate has already paid back the $35 million that MJ owed AEG over production costs for TII.

Dont know anything about the 200,000.

(The issue here is although Dr Thome was fired and did not rep MJ at that time and had no power-of-attorney, AEG went to him and he signed that document that approved $35 million to AEG)
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yes i know that they allready paid that back.
but that answered my questions.
it looks like tohme signed something that he will get the 200.000 and AEG the 35 million. and without that signature noone will get anything. and so this all is illegal when thome was allready fired.
 
mjchris said:
and without that signature noone will get anything. and so this all is illegal when thome was allready fired.
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I cant recall if Dileo was involved in this or not. Since Dr Thome was not allowed to sign anything on MJs behalf I guess it shouldnt be valid.

( If Dileo also approved the expenses I guess its Ok. Dont recall his part in this though).
 
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dileo was at this metting too.
that would be interesting to know if its valid or not.
 
What is happening here:

owe said she also witnessed propofol infusions given in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She claimed that on two occasions, Dr. Hoefflin had Jackson knocked out with propofol but didn't perform the procedures that Jackson requested.

She said Jackson believed he was receiving steroid shots to reduce swollen scar tissue in his nose, but that Dr. Hoefflin claimed he didn't see any inflamed tissue.

Did Michael say something like he wanted to reduce his scar tissue which he felt was swollen and then Hoefflin simply gave him a drug and did nothing? What kind of thing is this, and Hoefflin's own nurse said the same thing. At the time I was wondering how could this be since Michael would see he had no surgery scar when he woke up. Now I understand that it was for shots, so obviously Michel wouldn't have a cut site, e.g., for him to see that a procedure was done. Can you imagine that Hoefflin will naturally charge Michel for the drugs, the procedure which he did not do, and other fees attached for medical visit and procedures. Then, how could Debbie know this and do nothing about it; this is criminal behavior.

Also, I see that Hoefflin also gave Michel drugs and all he did was put tape in the nose. I would like to know what Michael said when he saw the tape? Didn't Debbie tell him anything about it? It is a pity no one did anything about these doctors a long time ago.

PS had to edit because it was Hoefflin who put tape in the nose.
 
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Can anyone figure out why would Michael think he had swelling or scars which the doctor claims was not there? Was Michael imagining he had those scars in the nose and ask for collagen? Did he imagine the pain? I remember after Michael died that Klien said that when Michael came back from Ireland he needed collagen on his nose and other things. I hope that time he really needed it.

Can someone tell me how come Panish feels this:

Jackson lawyers smiled as the trial recessed for the lunch break, indicating that they believed the defense witness was actually supporting their case.

I don't see it. I think she was good for AEG because she showed Michael had a history with prof. She did not say everyone knew about it. If she did then I would say maybe she was good for the plaintiffs. She clearly shows that Michel had a history with dealing with Shady, unethical doctors. Anyone can see that this type of relationship continued with Muarry, a man who was his personal physician before TII was thought up, and who he told AEG he wanted on the tour. Debbie did good for AEG.
 
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owe said she also witnessed propofol infusions given in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She claimed that on two occasions, Dr. Hoefflin had Jackson knocked out with propofol but didn't perform the procedures that Jackson requested.
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That's just so odd, in my opinion.

I mean, if she WITNESSED that type of medical behavior from Dr. Hoeffin on one occasion, how the heck was that same thing able to be done on a SECOND occasion, I don't get it.

Did she not make Michael aware as to what was going on the first time around?
 
Petrarose said:
What is happening here:

owe said she also witnessed propofol infusions given in Dr. Hoefflin's office. She claimed that on two occasions, Dr. Hoefflin had Jackson knocked out with propofol but didn't perform the procedures that Jackson requested.

She said Jackson believed he was receiving steroid shots to reduce swollen scar tissue in his nose, but that Dr. Hoefflin claimed he didn't see any inflamed tissue.

Did Michael say something like he wanted to reduce his scar tissue which he felt was swollen and then Hoefflin simply gave him a drug and did nothing? What kind of thing is this, and Hoefflin's own nurse said the same thing. At the time I was wondering how could this be since Michael would see he had no surgery scar when he woke up. Now I understand that it was for shots, so obviously Michel wouldn't have a cut site, e.g., for him to see that a procedure was done. Can you imagine that Hoefflin will naturally charge Michel for the drugs, the procedure which he did not do, and other fees attached for medical visit and procedures. Then, how could Debbie know this and do nothing about it; this is criminal behavior.

Also, I see that Hoefflin also gave Michel drugs and all he did was put tape in the nose. I would like to know what Michael said when he saw the tape? Didn't Debbie tell him anything about it? It is a pity no one did anything about these doctors a long time ago.

PS had to edit because it was Hoefflin who put tape in the nose.
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Petrarose my question too what is happeing here? i can't believe Dr Hoefflin on two occasions he knocks Michael out and did nothing. Why did Debbie not tell Michael Michael he did nothing to your nose but put some tape on it. Michael all this time believe this doctor did a procedire on him why would Debbie let Michael think that.
 
Petrarose said:
Can someone tell me how come Panish feels this:

Jackson lawyers smiled as the trial recessed for the lunch break, indicating that they believed the defense witness was actually supporting their case.
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In my opinion, that's just Alan Duke trying to "big up" Mother's case, like he ALWAYS tries to do. LOL!

I also agree with you regarding Debbie pointing out Michael's history of dealing with "shady, unethical" doctors. That was an excellent point.

I certainty wouldn't want to be in Debbie's shoes right now. The Jackson's done went and dragged her into their money grubbing mess, when all she wants to do is raise her horses and hang out with her baby girl.
 
Bubs said:
Suit that these useless cubs were wearing.
MJ's estate paid EVERYTHING related to funeral, including the cars that family used, including the clothes family wore, including the food family ate,
Same with memorial at Stables center, cars, clothes, everything. Family did not pay a penny towards funeral or memorial (Janet gave some money for funeral but asked the estate to pay it back)

Here is some information relation what was paid by the estate if you like to have a look:
http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.ie/2012/10/disproving-randall-sullivan-part-one.html
and I'm sure the estate's first accounting is somewhere here in MJJC for more detailed look.



Btw, this was what Randy did when he said he worked very hard
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/03/jackson-family-the-burial-after-party/
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Just when you think they can't get any lower, they just find ways to prove you wrong.
 
Big Apple2 said:
That's just so odd, in my opinion.

I mean, if she WITNESSED that type of medical behavior from Dr. Hoeffin on one occasion, how the heck was that same thing able to be done on a SECOND occasion, I don't get it.

Did she not make Michael aware as to what was going on the first time around?
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No she didn't make Michael aware of it the first you are right that is odd he did this a second time.
 
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Big Apple2 said:
In my opinion, that's just Alan Duke trying to "big up" Mother's case, like he ALWAYS tries to do. LOL!

I also agree with you regarding Debbie pointing out Michael's history of dealing with "shady, unethical" doctors. That was an excellent point.

I certainty wouldn't want to be in Debbie's shoes right now. The Jackson's done went and dragged her into their money grubbing mess, when all she wants to do is raise her horses and hang out with her baby girl.
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You may be right on that.
I also agree with you that the Jacksons have dragged Debbie into this mess.

I am concern about Paris and Debbie relationship will it be the same after Debbie testmony is done.
 
You know I usually don't have a problem with Debbie Rowe, it is what it is and she did help Michael during the trial.

But this recent information is very upsetting.

I mean it's not like she HEARD about those 2 non-procedures, she said she witnessed them with her own eyes.

She could have put Dr. Hoeffin on blast with the Medical Board the first time she witnessed him knocking Michael out for nothing. She can't be pointing the finger at folks without pointing the finger at herself, in my opinion.
 
Yeah. I mean I know everyone needs a pay check, but both Debbie and Hoeflin's nurse witnessed him doing these things and none of them came forward. I think Hoeflin's nurse only came forward when they had some problem, then she told on him and they settled. However, the first time she witnessed this, the nurse did not report the doctor. They all point fingers, but both Debbie and the nurse are part of this crime.

Then she claims this:

She said Jackson knew he couldn't take pain medications forever but needed a strong voice to get him off the drugs. "I'm probably one of the only people who said no to him," Rowe said.
Rowe said the plan to break Jackson's use of Demerol failed when a doctor who accompanied the singer on tour gave him the drug while overseas.

So if she was a strong voice, what happened to the voice when he needed it at the beginning when she saw what happened. You never know, by working on this scam in its initial phase, Michael path could have been changed. It seems to me that in this trial we see a lot of people feel they are not accountable for a lot of their actions or non-actions. Every body is pointing the finger at someone else. AEG is blaming Michael and the Plaintiffs are blaming AEG. Katherine, Randy, Rebbie are not even looking at themselves for all the "Tour With Your Brothers" stress. Meanwhile, Muarry is sitting in jail just singing because no one is blaming him.
 
ivy said:
yes but that could have put Michael on the spot too
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True but she could find a way to do it. However, best of all, let Michel know with her strong voice, and give him the full picture. He seems to be a visual person, so once he sees how he was defrauded, degraded, robbed, etc., he would get the picture. I think she did not want to rock the boat. She like the docs wanted to be close to the superstar. She wanted to be on the good side of these people, and look at what happened.
 
How was that going to put Michael on the spot? He was duped he did nothing wrong. If he saw nothing just say Michael I don't see anything? Don't sedate him put tape on his nose and probably send him a bill
 
Big Apple2 said:
You know I usually don't have a problem with Debbie Rowe, it is what it is and she did help Michael during the trial.

But this recent information is very upsetting.

I mean it's not like she HEARD about those 2 non-procedures, she said she witnessed them with her own eyes.

She could have put Dr. Hoeffin on blast with the Medical Board the first time she witnessed him knocking Michael out for nothing. She can't be pointing the finger at folks without pointing the finger at herself, in my opinion.
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In the bold part. Why did Debbie not do that. This doctor could have been in so much hot water with the Medical Board if Debbie would have said something about this she let it happen a second time and still did nothing.

That what get me so angry ppls knew things was happening to Michael and their did nothing about it now their come out and say it but it to late.
 
I was also wondering if Debbie told Michael what Hoeffin was doing and if she did, what did he say. Hope she told Michael because if she didn't then she's kind like many others who saw what was happening and preferred to be quiet.

I'm also confused about Metzger, wasn't this doc who was involved in Katherine's spa kidnapping? I don't recall what he did for Michael. I think the doc who was helping him with the 12 steps program was the nicer doc.

I believe Paris needs Debbie and hope her testimony doesn't damage the opportunity of being together.
 
I don't think Michael was aware of what was going on. These doctors were risking his health and robbing him crazy by billing him outrageous amounts for procedures that didn't take place. I agree with Big Apple, she was didn't say anything, because she didn't want to. She wanted to remain close to the superstar.
 
Justthefacts said:
How was that going to put Michael on the spot? He was duped he did nothing wrong. If he saw nothing just say Michael I don't see anything? Don't sedate him put tape on his nose and probably send him a bill
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That is what he should have done.
 
Petrarose said:
True but she could find a way to do it.
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Justthefacts said:
How was that going to put Michael on the spot? He was duped he did nothing wrong. If he saw nothing just say Michael I don't see anything? Don't sedate him put tape on his nose and probably send him a bill
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Big Apple2 said:
But didn't she testify that Michael didn't know what was going on?

Or was Michael aware of what was going on?

ivy, you got me all confused now. LOL
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the original post said "Report it to the medical board" , that would require the patient name and possibly after an investigation it would leak to the media. That's what I meant by "putting Michael on the spot". I don't think Michael liked his business to be public.
 
And that what this all come down too. Everybody want even the doctors to be apart of Michael Jackson life.
 
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