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Official track list of bad 25th anniversary special edition is unveiled

Yeah, of course everyone can make a CD of it's own :) I'll do the same with DVD. I'll mux in TWYMMF where it should have been. Muxing process ain't that hard lol. And it's 0 re-compress meaning quality is gonna be 1:1 :D
 
Bubs said:
About existing fan base, we are not here forever to carry on Michael's legacy. Newbies for Michael are needed:)
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I actually think Michael has more potential to always renew his fanbase than Elvis. "Little Less Conversation" was a big hit, but I'm not sure if it made a lot of new Elvis fans. It was just a hit for a period that people danced to and then moved on IMO. They did not necessarily become Elvis fans (ie. buying all the old Elvis records etc.) just because they liked that one remix. Those old Elvis records sound nothing like LLC, so people who like this new dance styled version of the song won't necessarily like old Elvis songs and become a fan.

That's my problem with remixes: they are someone else's vision and style, not the original artists'. They can actually be very different than the original artist. Sure they can keep an artist's name on the charts, like LLC did, but is that really Elvis? IMO it's not. And Elvis was just a singer. Remixes, to me, become even more problematic to accept with artists like Michael, who wrote and produced their material and were very much involved in the creative process, so they had a certain vision and remixes mess with that vision.

Having said that, they can release remixes if they want, they are only not Michael to me, sorry (or Elvis, or anyone), so to me they do not really do anything for these artists' legacy.

IMO what will keep up Michael's legacy more than anything is the youthfulness of his art. From time and time again and again I hear stories about how children love his music and videos and get hooked on it. Even on this forum we've got people from every age group, including young people in their teens and 20s. So when I see that then I know that Michael's art has the potential to always capture the young generations, which is the thing that will keep up his legacy.
 
We could compare the live CD to the Jacksons one. I never really liked it, but it could be like what Bad will be like. (Bad will be higher quality,of course! ;))
 
They will probably cut out stuff like the end of Billie Jean when he's just dancing, and the end of Man In The Mirror when the band keeps playing after he leaves the stage, and so on.
 
Hunterr said:
They will probably cut out stuff like the end of Billie Jean when he's just dancing, and the end of Man In The Mirror when the band keeps playing after he leaves the stage, and so on.
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Yeah there's loads of stuff they can cut off. The trick is doing it in a way that doesn't feel like you're being short changed.
 
Things they'll probably cut/edit from the live CD

The pause in the middle of Wanna Be Startin Somethin
The long pause of Michael crying during She's Out Of My Life and I'll Be There
The ''My footsteps broke the silence of the predawn hours'' intro on Smooth Criminal
Dirty Diana will probably be edited
The pauses during Working Day And Night
The final dance part of Beat It
The final dance part of Billie Jean
The outro on Bad
The outro on Man In The Mirror
 
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bobmoo79 said:
You're correct, they don't want to release many unreleased songs and that's absolutely the right move for them to make. MJ is gone and cannot record new material, so releasing it all now would be pure stupidity. This is why I always say the Estate should NOT listen too much to the fan base. If they did they would shoot themselves in the foot. The Estate need to prolong MJ's legacy - that means release only a few new songs at a time over a looong period. Decades. It means release MJ remixes to both fill space on CD releases and to hopefully attract a new audience to expand the fan base, rather than rely on the existing fan base. you are not being tricked, it's just the way business needs to be conducted.
Seriously there is no point in releasing the concert on BluRay because the picture will not be anywhere near BluRay quality since it's taken from an old VHS tape. Even with the world's best enhancement techniques it would never be anywhere near BluRay quality. It's impossible. We'll be lucky if it's even near the quality of a new VHS due to its age. If people were to buy it on BluRay, paying BluRay prices which are higher than DVD prices, they would certainly be annoyed and that would just be negative press for the product and MJ Estate. They're correct to only release it on DVD IMO.
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This is simply can be applied on finished songs,they shouldn't release it all at once....but what about demos??!! don't tell me that they will release Bad demos on another occasion because they don't like to release a demo,rather they finish it themselves and what happened with Hollywood tonight is the best example.....i hope you get my point...
 
analogue said:
Things they'll probably cut/edit from the live CD

The pause in the middle of Wanna Be Startin Somethin
The long pause of Michael crying during She's Out Of My Life and I'll Be There
The ''My footsteps broke the silence of the predawn hours'' intro on Smooth Criminal
Dirty Diana will probably be edited
The pauses during Working Day And Night
The final dance part of Beat It
The final dance part of Billie Jean
The outro on Bad
The outro on Man In The Mirror
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If they do that I think I'm not going to listen the live CD many times. I will somehow get the uncut audio from the DVD to my mp3 player.
 
Don't worry, everyones gonna rip the audio and make mp3s of the DVD (myself included) :D
 
marc_vivien;3686763 said:
And Bonus Tracks Include:

1. The Way You Make Me Feel (Performed at Wembley the previous night, July 15, 1988)

2. I Just Can’t Stop Loving You/Bad (Performed at Yokohama Stadium, September, 1987)
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Didn't they say, that Wembley 16'th was the only concert they had?
Or did I miss something?
 
No, they said they have other shows, but apparently only one audio source that are multi-tracks (so they can enhance each audio track individually, rather than the stereo track accompanying the high quality u-matic video tape).
 
Does anyone know if the song Bad is gonna have MJ bringing out the kids at the end of the song ?
 
I always liked seeing him dance with children :D I hope it's on the DVD
 
bobmoo79 said:
You're correct, they don't want to release many unreleased songs and that's absolutely the right move for them to make. MJ is gone and cannot record new material, so releasing it all now would be pure stupidity. This is why I always say the Estate should NOT listen too much to the fan base. If they did they would shoot themselves in the foot. The Estate need to prolong MJ's legacy - that means release only a few new songs at a time over a looong period. Decades. It means release MJ remixes to both fill space on CD releases and to hopefully attract a new audience to expand the fan base, rather than rely on the existing fan base. you are not being tricked, it's just the way business needs to be conducted.
Seriously there is no point in releasing the concert on BluRay because the picture will not be anywhere near BluRay quality since it's taken from an old VHS tape. Even with the world's best enhancement techniques it would never be anywhere near BluRay quality. It's impossible. We'll be lucky if it's even near the quality of a new VHS due to its age. If people were to buy it on BluRay, paying BluRay prices which are higher than DVD prices, they would certainly be annoyed and that would just be negative press for the product and MJ Estate. They're correct to only release it on DVD IMO.
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Thank you Bobmoo, you are on point on this. I agree with you completely. I for one, am incredibly stoked, happy, elated about the tracklisting of the DVD- OMG- Dirty Diana AND TWYMMF!!!! :clapping:

And 5 bonus unreleased songs- YES!!! SO SO happy! I also LOVE Fly Away and cannot wait to listen to the French version of IJCSLY. All in all, it is amazing- I would be moonwalking right now if I knew how- LOL. Thank you estate!
 
I am wrapped bout dirty diana & twummf being on the dvd too :)
 
^^I think the person meant that the CD will be heavily edited due to being 80 minutes on a CD. Most people aren't worried about that because they can rip the audio from the DVD and put the songs on their Ipods or MP3 players.
 
So y'all will think nothing of it when Bad 40th anniversary comes out with all the same songs all over again and 6 new songs? You'll happily plonk down another $45 for all those songs you own a hundred times over and a few new crumbs? Just asking.

And you don't need remixes to "attract new fans". I've never been drawn to an artist from the past by any remix. It's always been the artists original work that won me over. If the artist is good enough, you don't need a remix because they most likely did it right the first time ;D
 
I pre-ordered this and it said that the release date is September 14. Must be a mistake but I hope not :)
 
WildStyle said:
So y'all will think nothing of it when Bad 40th anniversary comes out with all the same songs all over again and 6 new songs? You'll happily plonk down another $45 for all those songs you own a hundred times over and a few new crumbs? Just asking.

And you don't need remixes to "attract new fans". I've never been drawn to an artist from the past by any remix. It's always been the artists original work that won me over. If the artist is good enough, you don't need a remix because they most likely did it right the first time ;D
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I'm just being realistic. No estate of any dead artist is going to ruin the longterm commercial appeal of unreleased tracks/demos by releasing too much at once. None. It's a fact and although you may not be happy to pay for additional tracks later on, it's a common tactic and one that the MJ estate is using. It's a way to secure income for the future.

You don't NEED remixes to attract new fans, I accept that. Some will discover the artist by themselves. But successful remixes will keep the artist's profile higher if they're successful in the charts and clubs. Every time the song is played the artist's name is mentioned and his voice is heard, and people are reminded of them. That is proven to boost sales of the artist's original recordings because people are interested enough to give them a listen. Anything that keeps MJ on the charts, in the clubs and in the news has the potential to win new fans. Releasing unreleased songs and demos on an anniversary album won't really do that to the same extent because it only really appeals to existing fans.
 
I think you are assuming a whole lot. Both in regards to what is in Michael's vaults and in what record buyers want. I respectfully disagree and I'm just going to leave it at that.
 
I just watched the trailer again and nearly wet myself. I'm so excited :wild:
 
Just brilliant - the best non studio album MJ release ever

It would be perfect if they had added YWYMMF to the audio CD, but no matter.
 
Thanks. And whats the date of the amateur wembley show? I keep forgetting lol
 
StellaJackson said:
No. That never happened until the end of the tour.
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I think it just happened at random shows. There were also kids on stage at the Minnesota show.

And thankfully that isn't on the dvd. I don't care to see the kids ruin BAD :D
 
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