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Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

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It sounds absolutely nothing like Michael Jackson.
 
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I'm glad they have finally released a statement. I knew that if they defended the song, it would not make much difference to the majority of people's opinions, but it has confirmed to me what I've thought all along.

Looking forward to the album... (praying that Blue Gangster is on there!!)
 
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StephluvsMJ said:
At this point, I don't care any more. Might as well give up. We ain't going to win anyway. I'm just going to buy the album and pretend I hear Michael on the Cascio tracks. I want the album to do well. This shouldn't have happened in the first place. Everyone here was SO looking forward to the album. Many here had pre-ordered it the minute it was announced, myself included. How could they have screwed it up? Seriously? Everything was going so well. They are never going to admit it wasn't Michael singing lead for much of BN, so I'm not going to bother with it, or expect such a statement from them. It doesn't look like they are planning to remove the Cascio tracks from the album. Why? I don't know. It would SOLVE THIS ENTIRE PROBLEM. They are so protective of those tracks, they've gone and wasted money on hiring experts to prove that the vocals are real, they are so obviously determined to keep those tracks on the album and God only knows why. Considering they've apparently got 100s of completed songs in the vaults that didn't fit on previous albums, why use a not-so good quality track that was supposedly only a guide-vocal? It ain't like these guys have released hundreds of albums and have run out of material to use. This is the first, and they don't have songs that are considered releasable?
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:no: I can't do that. But I sympathize. This is frustrating. I'd rather listen to the tracks and then purchase certain ones off iTunes. I agree it would solve this issue if the Cascio tracks were removed off the album. They could easily do this without admitting any more than they already have.
 
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Petrarose said:
Guys, I am not upset with the fans and their opinions, but I am angry with the people who caused this.

If Michael sang parts of BN and it was incomplete, simply bring in someone else with a different voice and turn the thing into a duet like 'The Girl Is Mine.' Once they bring in a sound-a-like to complete the tracks and say it is 100% Michael, then red flags keep going up in my head. If I let them get away with it, then they will, in the near future, find 3 line songs Michael sang for vocal practice, e.g., get an impersonator, add 3 verses to the 3 lines and claim it is an MJ song. People having gotten accustomed to hearing these types of arrangements will say "Yeah, a new Michael album, lets buy it to keep his legacy going." This is not what I want to happen. This guy lived for his music. He thanked God every time for his talent, according to people who worked with him. Let us not be disloyal to this.
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You're reading my mind and looking at my heart. You've hit the nail on the head and you're right...we can't let them get away with this or else it's just going to continue.
 
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djlf said:
Ok - on monday i was 100% convinced that it wasnt MJ - now thursday -With the statement, Teddy Rileys admission that a new version mix is now on the website, and after listening to the Official Acappella version - I am 100% convinced that it is MJ on lead vocal with this James Porte guy on backing vocals. I now believe that the mix they put on stream initially was awful and as a result sounded nothing like MJ - But now do me a favour - Listen to the Official Acapella on youtube first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDANc0fyX0 - then listen to the new uploaded version of Breaking News - It is MJ
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who is James Porte i have never heard of him or heard him sing. In the above link you can clearly hear Michael but there are some bits that aint him. i believe that this James guy is more backing then lead.
 
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maamol said:
At first I was also disappointed with Breaking News. But after hearing the a capella I was convinced it is Michael we hear. I have been listening to the song over and over again and the more I listen to it, the more Michael I hear. The story how this song got to be the way it is is very plausible. The statement by the Estate explains it so well. The idea of them and Sony playing a trick on us is just, I believe, far fetched. Off course the vocals aren't what we expect from MJ. They are demo recordings. And actually, I really believe they did the best they can do to construct songs from those recordings. It was stated in de press release: "a chance to hear the songs he most recently created along with tracks that Michael had a desire to bring to fruition". Had a desire to bring to fruition. Why not enjoy them for what they are, works in progress.

The controversy behind the vocals made it harder for me to enjoy the song at first. Now I am convinced it is Michaels voice, Michaels song and after listening to it a lot, I quite enjoy the song. The production is good, the melody sticks and it's just Michael.

I want to hear the other Cascio tracks. I also hear Michael in the 'Carry On' and ' Monster' snippets, although I'm doubting and not feeling 'All I Need'. If there aren't more recent better recordings from MJ, than I feel these songs should be on this posthumous album. Closer to the album MJ would have created we aren't going to get. Older songs can be released on future projects. That would make more sense.
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djlf said:
Ok - on monday i was 100% convinced that it wasnt MJ - now thursday -With the statement, Teddy Rileys admission that a new version mix is now on the website, and after listening to the Official Acappella version - I am 100% convinced that it is MJ on lead vocal with this James Porte guy on backing vocals. I now believe that the mix they put on stream initially was awful and as a result sounded nothing like MJ - But now do me a favour - Listen to the Official Acapella on youtube first http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDANc0fyX0 - then listen to the new uploaded version of Breaking News - It is MJ
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Not to be offensive but :hysterical:
 
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maamol said:
At first I was also disappointed with Breaking News. But after hearing the a capella I was convinced it is Michael we hear. I have been listening to the song over and over again and the more I listen to it, the more Michael I hear. The story how this song got to be the way it is is very plausible. The statement by the Estate explains it so well. The idea of them and Sony playing a trick on us is just, I believe, far fetched. Off course the vocals aren't what we expect from MJ. They are demo recordings. And actually, I really believe they did the best they can do to construct songs from those recordings. It was stated in de press release: "a chance to hear the songs he most recently created along with tracks that Michael had a desire to bring to fruition". Had a desire to bring to fruition. Why not enjoy them for what they are, works in progress.

The controversy behind the vocals made it harder for me to enjoy the song at first. Now I am convinced it is Michaels voice, Michaels song and after listening to it a lot, I quite enjoy the song. The production is good, the melody sticks and it's just Michael.

I want to hear the other Cascio tracks. I also hear Michael in the 'Carry On' and ' Monster' snippets, although I'm doubting and not feeling 'All I Need'. If there aren't more recent better recordings from MJ, than I feel these songs should be on this posthumous album. Closer to the album MJ would have created we aren't going to get. Older songs can be released on future projects. That would make more sense.
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It doesn't matter if the Casio tracks were the last things Michael recorded, BN was a wicked attempt of Sony trying to deceive us into thinking that was all Michael. If someone chose to put someone else in with Michael's voice (if they have his voice) then there was not enough audio for them to do a decent track.

If they had enough decent audio of MJ to do better than what they did, then they wanted to place some phoney impersonator on there for other reasons- might that be to screw Michael's children out royalty percentages he would have been entitled to?

If people think it is okay to have had an impersonator on BN and that Sony was up to nothing and want they want to defend Sony for including some MJ wanna be --- then how about we just ask Sony for the contracts to their inclusion and see if any secrets are in there and what money is to be paid whom and how. Maybe we should ask for the terms of their recording contract?

I could care less at this point why they screwed up.

The fans want MJ nothing less, we want our representatives to go and verify the songs are his, we want his new CD fake free, certified MJ and out by the scheduled release date.
 
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The thing I'm noticing is that the producers and musicologists all judged the track by Michael's raw vocals. We're hearing the "finished" version. I'd LOVE to hear the raw vocals. Maybe that would change my mind.
 
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I think its important to remember here that Breaking News isnt the only song that doesnt sound like Michael.

There is also Carry On, and Monster.

I could maybe see Michael wanting to try something different with his voice on one song, as he did on 2000 Watts. But 3 with the same voice? I dont think so.....
 
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Great point, LTD. I highly doubt Michael would experiment with his voice in the same way on multiple songs. Do we really think Michael would ask to have his vibrato and pronunciations sound un-MJ on 3 songs? Why?

Good Lord. It's so clear what's happening, folks.
 
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how can you judge Monster with the woman giving out a email address all the way through it?
 
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I wish that the letter from the estate admitted: "we know it was said that it is an MJ song, and that was misleading."

What is this I hear about new uploads on the site. How many versions of BN did they make then? Did they think that there might be a fuss about the original mix and Why?
 
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L.T.D said:
I think its important to remember here that Breaking News isnt the only song that doesnt sound like Michael.

There is also Carry On, and Monster.

I could maybe see Michael wanting to try something different with his voice on one song, as he did on 2000 Watts. But 3 with the same voice? I dont think so.....
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Aren't we also dubious about All I Need? Just listened to the snippet but can't really tell. Anyway your point is spot on. Three different types of songs all with the same 'strange' voice. Hmmn... whatever could it mean? :timer:

I think it'll be really obvious when the fake songs are lined up against the real songs on the album, but I really don't want it to have to come to that.
 
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kingofpop10 said:
This is interesting the way things are developing I will urge this to this brilliant community on here download an audio pitcher and when you put Breaking News through it and increast the pitch by at least a semitone but at the most a tone because at the moment that's what it sounds like to me (and I've been a proffessional singer for 3 years and a professional musician since 2003 in the tribute business) like they detuned the song and you will be amazed at the results
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Do you mean they lowered his pitch a notch? Maybe to sound more masculine?
This is kind of interesting. I don't know much about engineering sound, but it is plausible.
I am wondering what producers, etc. don't think its MJ. To me it sounded like they had a couple versions of the song.
 
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L.T.D said:
I think its important to remember here that Breaking News isnt the only song that doesnt sound like Michael.

There is also Carry On, and Monster.

I could maybe see Michael wanting to try something different with his voice on one song, as he did on 2000 Watts. But 3 with the same voice? I dont think so.....
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Must admit, I had doubts when I heard the snippet of Monster but I suppose we haven't heard them all the way through...
 
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Petrarose said:
Guys, I am not upset with the fans and their opinions, but I am angry with the people who caused this.

If Michael sang parts of BN and it was incomplete, simply bring in someone else with a different voice and turn the thing into a duet like 'The Girl Is Mine.' Once they bring in a sound-a-like to complete the tracks and say it is 100% Michael, then red flags keep going up in my head. If I let them get away with it, then they will, in the near future, find 3 line songs Michael sang for vocal practice, e.g., get an impersonator, add 3 verses to the 3 lines and claim it is an MJ song. People having gotten accustomed to hearing these types of arrangements will say "Yeah, a new Michael album, lets buy it to keep his legacy going." This is not what I want to happen. This guy lived for his music. He thanked God every time for his talent, according to people who worked with him. Let us not be disloyal to this.
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I really agree with this post. If they think this is acceptable; there is nothing to stop them from doing it again and again.
 
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GinnyJackson said:
how can you judge Monster with the woman giving out a email address all the way through it?
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She's not talking through the whole thing, you can hear the vocals clearly in between.

Its the same voice as on Breaking News, and All I need.

I find it hard to believe MJ would have done this experiment with his voice on at least 3 songs.
 
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tricia70 said:
I totally believe this!




IT'S HIM!!



Oh Yes- it is very unfortunate though because it is him.




Agree!



Yes, we should move on= it is MJ period = too much prove not to believe, but unfortunately ppl in this community won't move on- they will argue until eternity. Nit pick, nit pick. Even if they show you the sky is blue, they will still say it's black.




Most fans in this community are truly pathetic with that I totally agree!



They are stubborn as hell. The fans are their own worst enemies.



But all MJ fans have trained studio technicians ears, don't you know that? They are the experts. They were there in the studio when this track was recorded and they were also there for all 30+ years when Michael was recording every single one of his songs. NOT!!




Matty you've been posting in the "new album thread" since the very beginning as was I. Why would Bruce Swedien lie? Why would forensic musiculogists' reports lie? Why would all those ppl that worked with him lie? Sony and the estate went through great lenghts to assure this was an MJ authentic track. His lead vocals are his, the background vocals are sung by James Porte and Michael. What is unsual about that? He had background vocals sung by other singers in History and Invincible also.

How do we know how he sounded in 2007? The last time we heard him was 2001 right? We know his voice def. changed since BAD, it kept changing.

And remember this was a demo. Check out the Huffington post article by Vogel and try to be objective.

I personally love the song, it may not be perfect, well Michael wasn't here to produce it, but Teddy did a great job. I just love it- And I have a feeling even if there was no talk about his vocals, this fan community would have torn the song apart anyway. One thing that I know about this community (and I've been here over a year now) is that they are incredibly nit picky and negative. They were negative with Invincible too.

Matty - I hope you support this album, it is going to be great. I am so happy about it, and I wish all MJ fans would be too, but it doesn't seem to be the case which is a real shame.


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No apparently it does not matter.This community is very arrogant imo. They know it all. They know MJ. They apparently worked with him in the studio and know more than Bruce Swedien, all the engineers and musicians that worked with MJ. And of course even fool proof evidence from forensics won't convince them. Pathetic that's all I have to say. And very very sad.



Yes, it is amazing. I love Michael!



That's my question. Go get forensic experts to prove it is not MJ, that's all they have to do.




True!

All I have to say is thank God for some fans here who are exhibiting some common sense and are being objective about this entire situation.

We just read a statement that clearly explains with detail the steps they took to assure this was authentic.

But some fans here still don't believe. How arrogant. I have a feeling even if Michael would come back fromthe dead and tell you it's him you wouldn't believe it.

I am now convinced that MJ fans are their own worst enemies at least here in this MJJC Community. To even say GAZ is lying that's ridiculous.

Michael's lead vocals and background vocals are in the song. Maybe with some processing, or whatever they do, I am no music expert at all, but I have been a fan over 25 years and I do know his voice has def. changed since BAD. The background vocals were sung by James Porte with Michael. History and Invincible had background vocals sung by others- what is so strange about that?

This overreaction is unbelievable - no come to think of it - not so for this community. You tie yourselves up in a pretzel over anything instead of keeping an open mind, and using some common sense and logic.

Why would Sony release a fake song? with mostly another singer in it? Sony and the estate are no fools. They went through great lengths to make sure it was authentic in order to avoid any legal rammifications. And then they go ahead and release a fake song? RIGHT!

If you don't like the songs fine. If you don't want to buy the album fine. Don't support Michael. There's plenty of fans and non fans that will buy the album. But if it flops, SONY won't be the worst for it, BUT Michael will.
The media again will have a feast- you know that. But do what you wish.

One more thing, knowing some of these fans, you would never be satisfied, you always seem to complain and whine about everything. You did with Invincible and you were going to without this incident. IMO it is very sad and pathetic. Michael is no longer here. We were never going to get a perfect album. Expectations shouldn't have been super high. I myself, will enjoy it thoroughly, in my mind it will be perfect, because it is his face, his name, his vocals,his music, his artisrry, his writing in this album. It is PERFECT TO ME!! And I am grateful to Michael for all he did!! Oh yes, and I am grateful to the Estate and Sony for giving us more Michael.

And I am no fool for believing in the estate and Sony. If you want to continue with all the conspiracy theories and anti Sony and anti Estate rants well go ahead.

I just feel bad for the fans that are all upset and angry for no reason. Right now as a fan base we should be incredibly grateful and super super excited that we have Michael to look forward to. REMEMBER he is no longer with us. Be grateful we have what we have. Peace and love to you all. :angel:
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
Totally agree with you and the people you quoted. Can't wait to listen to the whole album.
 
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defdave said:
I'm not mad at you or anyone else who believes it's Michael. Maybe confused, but not mad at and I definitely don't hate any of you. You all are fellow fans and I love you guys. If I've come across as angry, it's just been because I'm angry at what it looks like is happening to Michael posthumously and I just feel so strongly that it's wrong and immoral. But nothing personal against you, my fellow MJ fans. God bless each and every one of you. We're a passionate bunch, ain't we? lol
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We are indeed! lol
But it's nice that someone remembers that in the end, we are all in the same boat, whatever we think of the infamous Cascio tracks.
 
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Someone stated that this album would be bigger than... because of the controversy that release created...

Michael's album will have astronomical sales because God selected and blessed him to help the world, and because all of the people who have loved him all along came out of hiding from the stones the media had been throwing at him up to and until June 25th and joined us in tears at his departure. It will be becuase they LOVE Michael, his voice and his legacy. People can believe the controvery fueled/will fuel sales but it's knowing he has an album out that will make people want to buy it. Aside from God, love and knowledge of what exists there is nothing more to it.
 
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I could bear it if there only will be 'Breakin News' that's fake (again, in my opinion), cause the song actually isn't bad, but 'Monster' sounds like some cheap kitsch to me :mello:
 
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GinnyJackson said:
do you people realize that people are going to buy this album to find out if its Michael's voice or not? Do you realize that this could be bigger then thriller just based on the controversy its creating. This statement that has been released is what we all wanted and now when we get it you decide to forgo it and its expert analysis. I will go with what they say because they took our concerns to heart. Wither you want to believe it or not. I have been back and forth on this whole thing MANY times. Michael Is def on that song. We all know how he like to change his style, his voice. We all know Michael loved to stir up stuff and this is the biggest pot of stuff he has ever mixed up. He has the people's attention, he has them asking questions and guessing. Hes getting what he wants, hes getting an album bigger then the biggest one ever. Thriller will be the second biggest album in the world... This one "Michael" WILL be the biggest ever.
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This is not the 90's,the general public would just download the album illegally to determine if the vocals are fake or not.
 
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We know that he is in the song, but there is not enough of him there, especially in the lead. That is why this song should not be on a Michael album, especially with the quality of the voice.

DUPSY, I believe you about the 90's. Today if people are curious about a song, they are more likely to get it from free downloads, or buy it cheaper from the street peddlers or those who sell them on the train. At least, here in New York City.
 
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Sharon B. Sidney said:
Someone stated that this album would be bigger than... because of the controversy that release created...

Michael's album will have astronomical sales because God selected and blessed him to help the world, and because all of the people who have loved him all along came out of hiding from the stones the media had been throwing at him up to and until June 25th and joined us in tears at his departure. It will be becuase they LOVE Michael, his voice and his legacy. People can believe the controvery fueled/will fuel sales but it's knowing he has an album out that will make people want to buy it. Aside from God, love and knowledge of what exists there is nothing more to it.
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djlf said:
With the statement, Teddy Rileys admission that a new version mix is now on the website,...
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Where did Teddy admit that a new version is on the website? Can you give us a link and/or copy and paste it?
 
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I don't know what to say...their statement really doesn't make me feel any better. If that's really Michael singing on BN, then they really did a terrible job with it. What the hell happened between the original track and this version? I want to hear the original demo.

It makes me angry that they'd toy with us like this. I feel like I'm being told I need to believe this like some crazy Jedi mind trick. I still think they should remove the tracks because they're just too controversial. People are always gonna wonder. I hate having my mind messed with like this. The only person who can answer this is Michael, and he's not here. :(
 
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I've just wasted two hours reading this thread on my iPhone. I am hugely disappointed in a large majority of this community. I admire the ones who have apologised but I strongly condemn the members who took it upon themselves to belittle and take the piss out of others for their beliefs. This thread is 75% junk.
 
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