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Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

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Sharon B. Sidney said:
This is what I call an attempt at damage control. Sony knew we would not be listening to anything they had to say with kind or favorable ears after having created this mess by intentionally streaming that song knowing it was not clearly Michael. Remember, the first "teaser" they didn't even play a portion of the lyrics! Why because they knew we would know.

Hip, hip, hooray to the estate by trying to come in and fix the damage that Sony has done but it is not so easily forgotten that they failed to mention there was someone else singing on the track and amidst the chaos if they were really on the up and up they would have come out and claimed it days ago. Sony wanted us to accept it and back down but we can't back down. Who will fight for Michael if we don"t?

How easy is it to get a team of people in a room and convince them that Michael is singing when you are the one who is paying them and you they may call you in on future projects if you give them the report they want???
Only Michael's fans are the ones we know are with out hidden agendas. Our agenda is our love for Michael Jackson and his music!

I honestly don't know for certain where Michael is singing on the track because long before the chorus was sung I wanted to turn it off. If I can make out Michael's voice in a choir then why would I have such difficulty in this song? Many fans said it many fans felt it--- RATHER ---we couldn't feel Michael's voice in the song. I started to be neutral and say maybe it the production work and they altered and compressed his voice to the point where there was uncertainty but at this point we do not know what the heck they did with that CD.

How much is this impersonator singing on the CD? How much of Michael's voice has been removed? What percent of Michael was clear enough to make an audio quality enough to use on the CD ( if it is quality enough).

Sorry Sony, that statement did not save you. Michael's fans want to CLEARLY hear Michael's voice. Furthermore we would not doubt for a second that you would try to give this impersonator guy vocal royalties then take them back for management and production costs.

If Sony gets away with this now who would stop them in the future? They would butcher all of Michael's songs with fake wanna be singers trying to sound like him or anyone else they think they can throw on there and steal money due Michael's children. There is NO WAY that we are going to let that happen.

1. Michael's fans have NOT changed there opinion, rather many suspicions have been verified. Sony needs to either get this guy off the CD and give us Michael's voice where we can truly hear and FEEL it's him or they need to scrap that single and any others like that mess.

2. We want Michael and we'll take no substitutions! Furthermore a group of representative fans will go in and hear the tracks they are planning to release BEFORE they release and hurt us again! This is our ultimatum to Sony or we'll boycott anything connected with your name!!!!!!!!!!

4 Days left till we launch SonyUltimatum.com
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The bolded is what I have been thinking about. I am not convinced that these people in the room were 100% certain that this voice was Michael. They could not say it was Michael because the estate finally admitted that there is someone else on the tape as well. Therefore, which voice is Michael and how much of him is in the song. Further, the producers in the room have a vested interest to vote a certain way because they have dealings with Sony in future projects. I still say there is a little of Michael there and not enough to say it is a MJ song. Let this other guy put it on his album and credit Michael.
 
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*mentally erases Breaking News from her mind*...ughh...why can't it just NOT exist???
 
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In the end of the day the one person that could settle this mess is not here. If he was here this mess would not be occuring whatsoever. It makes me miss him so much more which I didn't think was possible.
 
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OK, I always thought it was really MJ from the beginning when I heard the track. Now you have the word and confirmation from all of these musicians who worked worked with Michael for decades saying that it is indeed him and also forensic musicologists agreeing that it is him as well.

CAN WE STOP THE MADNESS NOW?!? It's Michael, get over it! Like the record, hate the record but it IS Michael. So how about the naysayers stop bad mouthing and lowering the potential of this album, MICHAEL, being a success.

If you naysayers don't believe Bruce Swedien and Greg Phillinganes and two forensic musicologists and all the rest who are actually professionals in their fields and not layman like almost every person on this forum, then you can't be helped. You probably believe Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shot Kennedy either, or that the Yeti actually exists deep in the forests or that drinking diet soda and eating Mentos at the same time will explode your stomach.

Please stop the insanity because you're ruining the chances of this album's success and by extension, Michael's success

I will now go the MJ website and enjoy BREAKING NEWS and anticipate the songs that come next.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I don't like it one bit how some people look at us (the non-believers) and call it ridiculous (even saw the word pathetic) that we still don't believe it, even with 'proof', which is supposed to be that statement. Yes it's very strange that all these producers like Bruce Swedien apparently do agree that it's Michael... i even admit that it's downright weird, but it does not change my view on it.
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We only have Howard whassisface's word that these producers and engineers believe it's Michael.

Also the statement only says that they believed it was Michael on the original demo... Maybe it was MJ on the original demo but it sure as hell isn't on this final track.

To provide a written document describing proof is not the same as providing the proof itself.

I am not at all one for conspiracy theories - I believe what I can prove to be true and trust what I can see and hear with my own eyes and ears. I'm a journalist - not tabloid - I believe in facts and evidence. So far the only evidence I have is this track that I can hear isn't Michael Jackson.
 
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Laura_Jo said:
We only have Howard whassisface's word that these producers and engineers believe it's Michael.

Also the statement only says that they believed it was Michael on the original demo... Maybe it was MJ on the original demo but it sure as hell isn't on this final track.

To provide a written document describing proof is not the same as providing the proof itself.

I am not at all one for conspiracy theories - I believe what I can prove to be true and trust what I can see and hear with my own eyes and ears. I'm a journalist - not tabloid - I believe in facts and evidence. So far the only evidence I have is this track that I can hear isn't Michael Jackson.
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It's just as Michael always said. It really doesn't matter what the truth is, because once someone makes up their mind as to what they want to believe, that's all there is to it. And yes, I'm paraphrasing a bit but that's only because MJ often said this type of thing and there are too many quotes to try and look up. The point is, if you read my post a few replies up the page, that at this point it doesn't matter what anyone says. MJ could visit you in your dreams and you'll all say it's an impersonating ghost. :doh:
 
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Is there any proof that says that people like Bruce Swedien has said that it was Michael singing? For all we know the estate could have just made that up.

Anyway i still don't believe that it's Michael and Breaking News is a crap song. If Michael did have anything to do with it he would have thrown it in the trash were it belongs. I gotta say that i've never been the biggest Invincible fan (I do like it so please don't kill me) but Breaking News as made me appreciate that album even more
 
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qbee said:
Lets all go listen again
Michael IS in Breaking News just not 100 % but I do hear and feel him
the more I listen but all the controversy has ruined the magic of BN for me.
http://michaeljackson.com

One minute think it him the next I doubt _ We shouldnt feel that way about
about a MJ song_ MJ has an aura and magic in his music thats missing here

3T didnt say it was NOT Mj singing just it wasnt enough MJ
3T is also supporting buying the Album for Michael regardless
for the 7 songs they say are 100 % Michael for sure

I will support the Album for the 100% Michael songs that are on it

I wish we could get the questionable tracks removed
but I dont see that happening without this whole thing getting UGLIER
and it is "MICHAEL" who is going to be hurt as always _ Is it worth it ??
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Listen we can't go to mj.com and listen to that crap just because Teddy uploads something "clearer". How stupid does that sound by the way? Why couldn't we have the "clearer" version from the beginning?

So I gather (from Rileys comments and fans' comments) that for this song:

1) Michael wanted to sound like "shit" using new technologies AND

2) Teddy took that "shitty" vocals and tried to make it even worse (so that later when people wouldn't believe it was Michael he could provide "clearer" versions)

The truth is this:

Michael is recognisable no matter the effect or medium he records with (be it voice mail or whatever). What happened here is they took a good impersonator (i.e Malachi actually sounds like Michael even unprocessed, there is a youtube link where he sings live and still you can confuse him with Michael) and using all the technology they could, getting good takes by the impersonator and of course sampling Michael here and there, THEY TRIED TO FOOL US SO THEY CAN KEEP "DISCOVERING NEW "MJ" SONGS!

But still, they failed for the majority of Michael's fans have EARS
 
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Laura_Jo said:
Also the statement only says that they believed it was Michael on the original demo... Maybe it was MJ on the original demo but it sure as hell isn't on this final track.
I am not at all one for conspiracy theories - I believe what I can prove to be true and trust what I can see and hear with my own eyes and ears. I'm a journalist - not tabloid - I believe in facts and evidence. So far the only evidence I have is this track that I can hear isn't Michael Jackson.
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barok232 said:
The truth is this:
Michael is recognisable no matter the effect or medium he records with (be it voice mail or whatever). What happened here is they took a good impersonator (i.e Malachi actually sounds like Michael even unprocessed, there is a youtube link where he sings live and still you can confuse him with Michael) and using all the technology they could, taking good samples by the impersonator and of course sampling Michael here and there, THEY TRIED TO FOOL US SO THEY CAN KEEP "DISCOVERING NEW "MJ" SONGS!

But still, they failed for the majority of Michael's fans have EARS
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EXACTLY. And if FANS are willing to accept some imposter on lead vocals as MJ, then we may as well hire an impersonator and just pretend June 25th never happened. :no: And notice this statement doesn't mention the people who KNOW it's not Michael... like Katherine, the kids, even John McClain was said to know the main vocal was fake. Wtf is going on? :doh: Either lots of people in the music business have no hearing capability either, or it's simply as Michael always tried to tell us: ANYTHING FOR MONEY!!!

I'm at a loss. I can't believe this is actually happening. :cry:
 
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mlbee2002 said:
OK, I always thought it was really MJ from the beginning when I heard the track. Now you have the word and confirmation from all of these musicians who worked worked with Michael for decades saying that it is indeed him and also forensic musicologists agreeing that it is him as well.

CAN WE STOP THE MADNESS NOW?!? It's Michael, get over it! Like the record, hate the record but it IS Michael. So how about the naysayers stop bad mouthing and lowering the potential of this album, MICHAEL, being a success.

If you naysayers don't believe Bruce Swedien and Greg Phillinganes and two forensic musicologists and all the rest who are actually professionals in their fields and not layman like almost every person on this forum, then you can't be helped. You probably believe Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shot Kennedy either, or that the Yeti actually exists deep in the forests or that drinking diet soda and eating Mentos at the same time will explode your stomach.

Please stop the insanity because you're ruining the chances of this album's success and by extension, Michael's success

I will now go the MJ website and enjoy BREAKING NEWS and anticipate the songs that come next.
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FYI

It has never been proven who actually killed JFK. The truth about that....isn't that still in a box locked away somewhere and for some reason they don't open it? Something like that...but this has never been proven.

And like Sharon said.....


How easy is it to get a team of people in a room and convince them that Michael is singing when you are the one who is paying them and you they may call you in on future projects if you give them the report they want???


 
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it's all starting to look like coordinated and managed damage control is kicking in from
every which way you look.

I guess lies can run semi-marathons these days
 
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Another thing of note. MJ told us during the This Is It conference that he wanted to perform the songs "my fans want to hear." Before the TII Album came out Sony also asked for fan's votes.

With "MICHAEL" they have totally gone AGAINST MJ's legacy for this simple reason.

They have not RELEASED the forensic analysis. While they claim the forensic analysts were "independent" the analysis may still be biased. The Estate and Sony hired these people, not an independent entity. The analyst must be neutral, neither initially believing it's either MJ or not.

I actually felt Malachi's statements to be quite sarcastic. He was like "ohh yes I heard it, who's singing?"

"Some things in life they just don't wanna see, but if MICHAEL JACKSON WAS LIVING, HE WOULDN'T LET THIS BE!"
 
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barok232 said:
By the way those who believe it is MJ in BN should check this out (not my link btw):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2qOTNYAts
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Yes, EVERYONE should hear this.

Sony have claimed a lot of things here. But whats the use in that without evidence to back it up?

I could document that I met Santa, and I could keep saying it and keep saying it. But without proof it means nothing.
 
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Well I just knew that person saying "Michael Jackson" isn't Michael himself...unless he was doing one of his voices. So it must be this James porte person. Why didn't they post all the song credit information along with the Breaking News stream? That would have avoided all this controversy (unless this is just what they wanted). Instead they mislead the fans and everyone into thinking it will be 100% MJ sung. That's just stupid.

And I hear more of this Porte guy than Michael. He dominates this song. It's more than just backing vocals to me. On a Michael Jackson album? Why? Nobody was prepared for that because we were not warned. Again...stupid.

I pre-ordered the CD and I don't think I will be canceling it but I still feel odd about all of this. Something is just not right.
 
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Sophielo said:
In the end of the day the one person that could settle this mess is not here. If he was here this mess would not be occuring whatsoever. It makes me miss him so much more which I didn't think was possible.
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Yeah. That whole mess makes you realize even more that he's not here. :'(
 
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Travis said:
It's just as Michael always said. It really doesn't matter what the truth is, because once someone makes up their mind as to what they want to believe, that's all there is to it. And yes, I'm paraphrasing a bit but that's only because MJ often said this type of thing and there are too many quotes to try and look up. The point is, if you read my post a few replies up the page, that at this point it doesn't matter what anyone says. MJ could visit you in your dreams and you'll all say it's an impersonating ghost. :doh:
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That makes absolutely no sense in the context of what I just wrote. My mind is made up by evidence - not by someone at Sony or you telling me what to think. You're the sheep here not me.
 
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OK i think THE ONLY SOLUTION to END this debate is that the song was NOT IN THE ALBUM. That's all. They should of just remove the song because RIGHT NOW me and Alot of people just don't like "Breaking News" because it just Simply not a good song... In better terms it SUCKS!!!!
 
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athina_livadi said:
If you don't like it don't buy it, period!
We have become worse than a soup opera!
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That's what I'm talking about!

And the funny thing is if the talk wasn't about the Casico songs, folks would be complaining about SOMETHING ELSE:

I don't like that song, because [fill in the blank];

Why did Michael sing that song written by [fill in the blank] I don't like it;

That song sounds too much like Billie Jean, I don't like it.

LOL! I love me some Michael Jackson fans, but you"ll know I'm speaking the truth!
 
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L.T.D said:
Yes, EVERYONE should hear this.
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I wasn't entirely sure what a vibrato was, but now i am. It really sound sound incredibly much like Malachi....even though we now thought he hadn't anything to do with it.
 
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Travis said:
The point is, if you read my post a few replies up the page, that at this point it doesn't matter what anyone says. MJ could visit you in your dreams and you'll all say it's an impersonating ghost. :doh:
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No. The point is that the proves that we have is "we tell you that we have proves", but they even aren't able to give TWO names, just two names.
 
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Sharon B. Sidney said:
Trust me a lot of negative things about Sony is already out there and proven. We could use that alone and cripple their market by massly dispering info packets letting people know more things about them and our promotions of their competitors.

There are also documented things concerning Michael that we can share with the world who likely were not on fans boards and in the thicke of things as many of us have been.

All of these things we can shout from the rooftops, our emails and media platforms. Sony has FAR too much to lose but if they wanna play- we can play that game and they will be the biggest loser because between what Michael's children could lose from our delay in boycotting ALL THINGS SONY will only be temporary and some fans are willing to abstain from everything Sony but Michael's CD so the children will still get the profits. Sony however, can never make up for the damage that will be created in the publics mind concerning them, they have many industries they are involved in and ALL OF THEM would suffer.

It's not what I nor the fans are happy about doing because we know there are many people working for the name Sony but it is Sony's job to protect their market so their emploees will have jobs. Our fight is with them and it never needs to get to that but they should by now by now Michael's fans are NOT all talk and if it does go that far we will come through with our pledge.
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I am with you Susan. I cannot tolerate people being persecuted, abused, and their talents ridiculed. I like action oriented projects and campaigns and I support you. I remember going to Madison Square Garden last year to speak to them about the poll we had where every time we voted for Michael, Whitney Huston's score would go up. They did not let me go up to the executive floor, but I spoke to someone there who promised to check the system and fix the problem. The point is I did something and helped them become aware of the problem and helped make a change.

We cannot simply buy an album if the integrity of the artist's talent is at stake. Good job Susan.
 
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I agree totally with you. And of course, ti makes me sad, too, all this story. We all were so upset..... it was a nerves war for the fans.
They had to handle the story better. Shame on them!

We have not slept for 3 nights, searching to find what is happening, everybody declared a different statement, we were stayed all night till the morning to discuss, and chat on facebook, or forums...it is very sad.

Sorry, but it was, and still is, a very BAD JOKE! I am very disappointing with the estate and sony and all MJ' so-operators. They can not treat fans like animals!
We love Michael and we want the REAL THING!

I cannot trust anyone, anymore, but my heart, only.
His voice touches my soul. In BN I was not moved at all, because "Michael" ....was not moved while he was singing the song...

i don't sing it if i don't mean it....
 
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L.T.D said:
Yes, EVERYONE should hear this.
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Your right...wow, that Malachi sure does have a Goat vibrato :lol: , It's sad that Sony/Estate even selected songs that were questionable, I mean..if I were to hear 100% Vocals of Michael on this song, I think it would be pretty amazing, although the lyrics don't sound "Michaelish" to me..I'm beginning to even question if there is any vocals of his (other than the copy and pasted ones)

Your right...this is Jason..
 
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barok232 said:
By the way those who believe it is MJ in BN should check this out (not my link btw):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2qOTNYAts
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L.T.D said:
Yes, EVERYONE should hear this.

Sony have claimed a lot of things here. But whats the use in that without evidence to back it up?

I could document that I met Santa, and I could keep saying it and keep saying it. But without proof it means nothing.
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I wasn't entirely sure what a vibrato was, but now i am. It really sound sound incredibly much like Malachi....even though we now thought he hadn't anything to do with it.
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Jason's vibrato and breathing are identical to those on this track. People need to wake up and realise what's going on here. Sony must be thrilled that they have many people convinced. This means they can keep released 'Michael Jackson' songs from here to eternity!
 
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analogue said:
Is there any proof that says that people like Bruce Swedien has said that it was Michael singing? For all we know the estate could have just made that up.

Anyway i still don't believe that it's Michael and Breaking News is a crap song. If Michael did have anything to do with it he would have thrown it in the trash were it belongs.
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What's so difficult to understand here? even if it is Michael singing, BN is not something that Michael would ever have wanted to release like this, and all the tarting up of a naked, badly comped vocal track, and shoddy (or wonderful for that matter) post-production in the world cannot alter that fact.

Those who want BN to be released in this form are effectively saying, 'Screw Mike's wishes and dreams, I don't care!'

so sad
 
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do you people realize that people are going to buy this album to find out if its Michael's voice or not? Do you realize that this could be bigger then thriller just based on the controversy its creating. This statement that has been released is what we all wanted and now when we get it you decide to forgo it and its expert analysis. I will go with what they say because they took our concerns to heart. Wither you want to believe it or not. I have been back and forth on this whole thing MANY times. Michael Is def on that song. We all know how he like to change his style, his voice. We all know Michael loved to stir up stuff and this is the biggest pot of stuff he has ever mixed up. He has the people's attention, he has them asking questions and guessing. Hes getting what he wants, hes getting an album bigger then the biggest one ever. Thriller will be the second biggest album in the world... This one "Michael" WILL be the biggest ever.
 
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'Soup Opera' hehe

I think AT THE VERY LEAST there are vocals mixed in with MJ's on the main vocals. So I can see right away that they are lieing just by saying James Porte is on the background vocals. No acknowledgement of anybody else on the main vocals.

Teddy's short tweets speak volumes to me. Its like he's having to lie, but he doesnt want to say too much beause its going to come back and bite him in the ass later.
 
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barok232 said:
By the way those who believe it is MJ in BN should check this out (not my link btw):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH2qOTNYAts
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Thanks for posting that video. I'm still not sure what to think, but the vibrato always sounded off to me. It's definitely not Michael's normal vibrato. IMO, Michael wasn't at his best when he recorded this, or it's simply not him.
 
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