Official Statement From The Estate Of Michael Jackson To The Fans

[Eric]

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The Cascio tracks aren't even that good! Just take them out and put some Jerkins tracks in there or something.

You've heard the other 2 tracks?

 

[ivy]

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From gearslutz from people who claim to have worked on the album

by ejsongs

i played guitar on one of the new tracks produced by TR for this upcoming michael album. i heard the acapella of the track. It is for sure michael jackson.
ej

by zep dude

What would anything MJ related be without a little controversy, lol.

I worked on a number of tracks on the album last year around the time MJ died. The vocals we had were stand in vox that had been done by the producer who actually sings very similar to MJ, which may have been what started the questioning. However, I could tell the difference. Listening to the single, it's definitely more like Michael than any stand in vocal that I heard.

The backgrounds obviously have other voices to fill things out. No surprise there since many of the songs were in various stages of completion when he passed.

 

[Arklove]

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^^ thanks for that, Ivy....

 

[mjjesamor]

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That last comment doesn't make sense. Around the time MJ died nobody supposedly knew the Cascio 'tracks' existed and someone on gearslutz is claiming to have worked on them around the time he died when the cascios claim they were done in 2007. Makes no sense whatsoever. Absolute BS

 

[ivy]

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That last comment doesn't make sense. Around the time MJ died nobosy supposedly knew the Cascio 'tracks' existed and someone on gearslutz is claiming to have worked on them around the time he died. Makes no sense whatsoever. Absolute BS

I wonder if that person actually means by "around the time Michael died" that he was working on the album at "June" but in 2010.

anyway I just copied them.

edit : or he might have been actually working on them around June 2009. I don't know if you find Roger Friedman credible but didn't he say that Michael was going to include new songs at the TII concerts and that we can hear the song "water" at TII movie.

 

[athina_livadi]

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Around the time MJ was gone WE, the fans didn't know about the Cascio songs but professionals and his long time colleagues apparently knew about them and were working on the tracks.

 

[Dark Artist]

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If they were going to have an extra background vocalist then they should have included it in the song's description before the song went online. I'm still very very suspicious of this track. I get the feeling that they think the more they tell us it's him, the more we're going to believe it. Then again... if it really is him, that's what they would do.

I have to say this statement has thrown me somewhat, yet I still think back to the first moment I heard the song and couldn't enjoy it for what it was because of how it plainly didn't sound like him. I've heard MJ songs with other people on backing vocals before and never felt like this.

 

[defdave]

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GUYS....everybody seems to be conveniently ignoring this statement from Cory Rooney, record producer of hit acts such as Destiny's Child, Mariah Carey, Mary J. Blige, Jessica Simpson, Jennifer Lopez, Marc Anthony.

He claims to have been brought in to analyze the vocals at the same time as the others:

How can we ignore this? This is big. He claims he was there and Sony/Estate are lying about the reactions of people like Teddy, Bruce, etc.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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This shows that the statement is not completely accurate. What is going on?
I am going to go with Cory on this because he was in the room and saw and heard what was going on. I think it is good to put all these varying statements together--from the estate and other individuals and then we can see clearer what decision to make.

i hope u know that cory is managing taryll right.now take that in consideration.
i don't understand one thing fans where bashing jb bu now when Teddy came out and said that jm is problem that he wants co credits in song so he can make more money but no one is basing him or ranting about the the fact that 3t ,bros and jm has their own agenda
mind u teddy can not go in public and accuse any one ,the way he accused jm ,its law suit in pending.
think twice people .

 

[MusicMan26]

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I think they should just remove the Cascio songs from the album. I mean, look what it's doing to the fan community! I would hope that Sony would take that into consideration. It's not worth it for 3 questionable songs. If they just remove those songs they could save a lot of problems (lost sales, boycotts, etc.). It's a simple solution.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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GUYS....everybody seems to be conveniently ignoring this statement from Cory Rooney, record producer of hit acts such as Destiny's Child, Mariah Carey, Mary J. Blige, Jessica Simpson, Jennifer Lopez, Marc Anthony.

He claims to have been brought in to analyze the vocals at the same time as the others:

did he manage mj? if not then why he was there in first place?

 

[Autumn II]

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With all due respect to everyone concerned, I feel that this is a controversy that did not have to happen! If there was any hint that there might be disbelief that "Cascio songs" were authentically Michael, then the Breaking News song should not have been released, and no other Cascio songs included on the album.

I'm wondering why they didn't use the "Vince sessions" on the album, instead? Surely those still exist? And/or, I'm sure a lot of fans would enjoy a "demo-album," marketed as such, with the raw, unmanipulated vocals so we could enjoy a glimpse into the mind of a genius, in terms of the work-process.

I'm not saying here whether or not the BN song is at least a percentage "fake," or not fake. However, personally, I will not necessarily believe any "proof" unless it comes from those NOT on the Sony or estate's payroll, past or present. To me, that is just common sense.

Fans will now have to use their own judgments about whether or not to buy the upcoming album. That's really the choice we all have left, now.

 

[defdave]

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This is exactly why i'm not paying for them. I'll buy Bad or something instead so his kids get some money from it.

Now that's a great idea. I'll do the same then.

 

[prismsagainst5live]

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It really just doesn't sound like MJ. If it is, then why has his voice been so contorted, if it is MJ, why did the Cascios process his voice so much to the point where a lot of people can no longer hear it as MJ? It's like, if they had good vocals then why did they f*** with them to make it to the point that it sparks controversy which calls for the songs to be removed and hence get them no money?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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i hope u know that cory is managing taryll right.now take that in consideration.
i don't understand one thing fans where bashing jb bu now when Teddy came out and said that jm is problem that he wants co credits in song so he can make more money but no one is basing him or ranting about the the fact that 3t ,bros and jm has their own agenda
mind u teddy can not go in public and accuse any one ,the way he accused jm ,its law suit in pending.
think twice people .

Cory actually said he doesn't manage taryll at all, he's just a friend. He said that today, in some of these threads. Maybe it was even this one. You decide who to believe.....

Tricia...

We heard Michael's voice during TII rehearsals , on several songs he really sung live and it didn't even sound that different at all.

 

[bobmoo79]

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The trouble with this is, the more I listen to it and become acustomed to the voice, the more it sounds like Michael Jackson to me.

BUT the feeling I got when I first head it (even during the first words) was that it is NOT Michael Jackson, and I am forcing myself to remember that feeling. This is really a strange situation.

 

[Alma]

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No. Not him except for the pasted 'aaooows'...

Horrible what happens - a mass brainwashing. The 'obituary' part in the song making it seem like it's Jackson returned from the dead and it's purely weird. Then that Opis None weirdness screaming 'confusion', which is what is being created.

 

[athina_livadi]

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I totally believe this!




IT'S HIM!!



Oh Yes- it is very unfortunate though because it is him.




Agree!



Yes, we should move on= it is MJ period = too much prove not to believe, but unfortunately ppl in this community won't move on- they will argue until eternity. Nit pick, nit pick. Even if they show you the sky is blue, they will still say it's black.




Most fans in this community are truly pathetic with that I totally agree!



They are stubborn as hell. The fans are their own worst enemies.



But all MJ fans have trained studio technicians ears, don't you know that? They are the experts. They were there in the studio when this track was recorded and they were also there for all 30+ years when Michael was recording every single one of his songs. NOT!!




Matty you've been posting in the "new album thread" since the very beginning as was I. Why would Bruce Swedien lie? Why would forensic musiculogists' reports lie? Why would all those ppl that worked with him lie? Sony and the estate went through great lenghts to assure this was an MJ authentic track. His lead vocals are his, the background vocals are sung by James Porte and Michael. What is unsual about that? He had background vocals sung by other singers in History and Invincible also.

How do we know how he sounded in 2007? The last time we heard him was 2001 right? We know his voice def. changed since BAD, it kept changing.

And remember this was a demo. Check out the Huffington post article by Vogel and try to be objective.

I personally love the song, it may not be perfect, well Michael wasn't here to produce it, but Teddy did a great job. I just love it- And I have a feeling even if there was no talk about his vocals, this fan community would have torn the song apart anyway. One thing that I know about this community (and I've been here over a year now) is that they are incredibly nit picky and negative. They were negative with Invincible too.

Matty - I hope you support this album, it is going to be great. I am so happy about it, and I wish all MJ fans would be too, but it doesn't seem to be the case which is a real shame.


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No apparently it does not matter.This community is very arrogant imo. They know it all. They know MJ. They apparently worked with him in the studio and know more than Bruce Swedien, all the engineers and musicians that worked with MJ. And of course even fool proof evidence from forensics won't convince them. Pathetic that's all I have to say. And very very sad.



Yes, it is amazing. I love Michael!



That's my question. Go get forensic experts to prove it is not MJ, that's all they have to do.




True!

All I have to say is thank God for some fans here who are exhibiting some common sense and are being objective about this entire situation.

We just read a statement that clearly explains with detail the steps they took to assure this was authentic.

But some fans here still don't believe. How arrogant. I have a feeling even if Michael would come back fromthe dead and tell you it's him you wouldn't believe it.

I am now convinced that MJ fans are their own worst enemies at least here in this MJJC Community. To even say GAZ is lying that's ridiculous.

Michael's lead vocals and background vocals are in the song. Maybe with some processing, or whatever they do, I am no music expert at all, but I have been a fan over 25 years and I do know his voice has def. changed since BAD. The background vocals were sung by James Porte with Michael. History and Invincible had background vocals sung by others- what is so strange about that?

This overreaction is unbelievable - no come to think of it - not so for this community. You tie yourselves up in a pretzel over anything instead of keeping an open mind, and using some common sense and logic.

Why would Sony release a fake song? with mostly another singer in it? Sony and the estate are no fools. They went through great lengths to make sure it was authentic in order to avoid any legal rammifications. And then they go ahead and release a fake song? RIGHT!

If you don't like the songs fine. If you don't want to buy the album fine. Don't support Michael. There's plenty of fans and non fans that will buy the album. But if it flops, SONY won't be the worst for it, BUT Michael will.
The media again will have a feast- you know that. But do what you wish.

One more thing, knowing some of these fans, you would never be satisfied, you always seem to complain and whine about everything. You did with Invincible and you were going to without this incident. IMO it is very sad and pathetic. Michael is no longer here. We were never going to get a perfect album. Expectations shouldn't have been super high. I myself, will enjoy it thoroughly, in my mind it will be perfect, because it is his face, his name, his vocals,his music, his artisrry, his writing in this album. It is PERFECT TO ME!! And I am grateful to Michael for all he did!! Oh yes, and I am grateful to the Estate and Sony for giving us more Michael.

And I am no fool for believing in the estate and Sony. If you want to continue with all the conspiracy theories and anti Sony and anti Estate rants well go ahead.

I just feel bad for the fans that are all upset and angry for no reason. Right now as a fan base we should be incredibly grateful and super super excited that we have Michael to look forward to. REMEMBER he is no longer with us. Be grateful we have what we have. Peace and love to you all. :angel:

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[xrisx]

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Well Sony is basically saying what I thoguht was on the song.
Michael is on there but there is a background vocalist on there as well. You hear him more clearly than Michael which started the confusion I think. I do believe the people they mentioned have nothing to gain by lying.

However I don't understand why they would still include these songs even though there is so much controversy on them. They should be aware of what is happening with the fans and the family being against them. That should be reason enough to take them off, I think.

What I got from the statement is that they are listening to the fans. Which could be a good thing. It seems right now they want to keep them on the album but if fans put them under pressure and let their voices (and concerns) be heard than there is still a chance that they will take them of.

Personally I wouldn't mind not seeing those songs on the album. I don't like seeing the fans as divided as they are and it will take away form the joy of the album.

 

[Dark Artist]

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The trouble with this is, the more I listen to it and become acustomed to the voice, the more it sounds like Michael Jackson to me.

BUT the feeling I got when I first head it (even during the first words) was that it is NOT Michael Jackson, and I am forcing myself to remember that feeling. This is really a strange situation.

This is exactly how I'm feeling right now as well.

 

[marc_vivien]

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@TeddyRiley1 Were Taj in the room? or any other family members?
about 4 hours ago via web in reply to TeddyRiley1

@Magic7Love NOPE.
about 4 hours ago via Twitter for Android in reply to Magic7Love

 

[qbee]

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did he manage mj? if not then why he was there in first place?

He is a ex Sony executive and producer and worked on music with Michael
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Rooney


Corey was a friend and Ali of Michael and gave one of the BEST
interviews to date about MJ along with Chris Apostle .
http://www.cyinterview.com/2009/07/industry-bigs-music-michael/

 

[Deniro UK]

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I think it's Michael Jackson now

Sony pretty much confirmed what a lot of us thought was going on, MJ singing but with someone else adding a few vocals on the chorus or whatever, it's not a big deal. As someone mentioned he had this on History & Invincible tracks.

 

[Applehead Ale]

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In one side we have Sony/Estate saying that they think its him cause EVERYBODY who worked with Michael thinks its him, plus musicologist, experts, etc.
And we have some fans saying its not him cause of their perfect audition and years listening to him (same amount of years than people who worked with him) OH and they know for sure that those lyrics wasnt written by him cause they know how MJ mind works when it comes to writing lyrics, plus they read all the lyrics he ever wrote
UHMM hard

 

[Sophielo]

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Just trying to catch up to speed on what has happened whilst I have been at work. Its all a collosal mess and it beggars belief that we are questioning a Michael Jackson vocal. His voice is so distinctive no matter how processed we can still tell its him. We heard his voice in TII-there is no way in hell that I can be convinced the Casico tracks are Michael. If Sony elect to keep them on then whatever, that's there beef. They shouldn't as even in the statement they said they had to investigate. Why would their need to be investigate this-its Michael or it isn't. The recent snippets I have heard of Much Too Soon, Another Day, 12 o'clock-that is clearly Michael. No investigations needed.

 

[jrsfan]

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GUYS....everybody seems to be conveniently ignoring this statement from Cory Rooney, record producer of hit acts such as Destiny's Child, Mariah Carey, Mary J. Blige, Jessica Simpson, Jennifer Lopez, Marc Anthony.

He claims to have been brought in to analyze the vocals at the same time as the others:

How can we ignore this? This is big. He claims he was there and Sony/Estate are lying about the reactions of people like Teddy, Bruce, etc.

It is big. Really big. Once there are lies, there can be no trust.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

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This is exactly how I'm feeling right now as well.

Here too....

I listened to it earlier today, and kinda started to think it was Michael. But this shouldn't be nessecary, WHY did we all KNEW it was Michael as soon as we heard the snippet of 'DYKWYCA' ? And 'Much too Soon' and so on? I heard it instantly...and Breaking News had me going 'Hmmm....wtf?' right away.

HOW COME?!!!!!

People's arguments about how we can't know how Mike voice sounded in 2007 is not true, i'll say it again...we heard the man sing LIVE during the TII rehearsals, nope not every song but still several songs. 'IJCSLY' was SO not lipsynched and 100% live, anyone could see that.

The voice singing these fast parts about 'obituary' and simply most of the lead vocals on 'Breaking news' i do NOT hear the real Michael on it. I believe he would have sung this one differently....

But at the same time i am confused as hell, i really don't know it anymore. All these conflicting reports from peolpe...Teddy Riley and now Cory Rooney, they don't stop and it doesn't seem to get any better, or simply any real clarity!!! :no:

 

[Petrarose]

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Cory Rooney replies to Teddy via facebook:

Cory Rooney I just read Teddy's comment about me on twitter and the funny thing is, before this he had a great relationship with Taryll Jackson!!! Living right down the street from him and communicating with him constantly about music, studio gear, and... the overall state of the business you would think that he would have enough respect or be man enough to say what he felt!!!!!!!!!!!!! I sure would and I will when I get back to LA!!!!!!!!!!! I don't specifically mention Sony or anyone yet because we still don't know who the actual person is to Blame and I'm far from stupid!!! I will say this, it very easy to see the ones that got paid!!!!!!!! :0) I DO NOT MANAGE TARYLL JACKSON!!! he is just one of my closest friends along with his brothers and other members of the Jackson family including the Late and great Michael Jackson. Please YouTube anything on Taryll and tell me if you think there is a hostile bone in his body!! They better stop playing with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank for this Sunset. It seems He is getting angry, and when people get angry the truth comes out because they talk more freely. Good--I am looking forward to further disclosure. He knows more, and he will have to tell us. It seems he was in the room and at first people questioned whether it was Michael. After listening to it for some time, minds were changed. How, I do not know. However, there is something dishonest going on and I want to know what exactly happened in that room. Can someone tweet him and find out?

 

[Tipareth]

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Around the time MJ was gone WE, the fans didn't know about the Cascio songs but professionals and his long time colleagues apparently knew about them and were working on the tracks.

yeah, it makes sense. If we didn't heard, that doesn't means that in recorded studios some songs weren't into works

 

[diana79]

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@TeddyRiley1 Were Taj in the room? or any other family members?
about 4 hours ago via web in reply to TeddyRiley1

@Magic7Love NOPE.
about 4 hours ago via Twitter for Android in reply to Magic7Love

You know, I appreciate that Teddy is trying to get his side of the story out, but I'm kind of getting sick of his short, twitter responses. This one wasn't too bad, but some of them have been so cryptic. I wish Teddy would write down everything from the beginning - from when he first heard the track to when the track was released, post it in a blog, and link to it from his twitter.