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Murray Trial - October 11th - Day 10 - Discussion

volitional said:
can some one see where Flannagan is going with his cross?
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I was going to ask the same question, but then I realized that he might be shooting blind, as usual.

I really like this witness, he's not budging, he's taking his time and actually managed to annoy Flannagan with his slowness to respond.
 
jeez i cant stand flannagan hes more annoying than chernoff
 
bouee said:
Yes, he's talking about the wrong bag. That should be easy for Walgren ...
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this needs to be addressed then cause its very easy to confuse the jury with what hes implying. because in its self it sounds bad for the pros with what the defence are saying.when obviously thats not the case
 
I really feel confused about these tubings and such. I just knew someone would try to get the kids to see that picture.
 
Why does he keep asking questions that are obviously outside the guys expertise? Im worried he'll try to answer.
 
Flanagan has his arms crossed around his body, he actually found a person who confuses him more than the other way around :D
(they both sound sedated, but the witness is more coherent)


Suzie8 said:
Why does he keep asking questions that are obviously outside the guys expertise? Im worried he'll try to answer.
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This has happened with a number of witnesses (the cardiologist, etc), I don't understand this either.
 
I think they're saying 25mg of propofol over would give 5 mins of sleep if infused over 3-5 mins. (I think that's what they said)..

But if jam 25mg all together stronger case of cardio respitory arrest occuring.
 
if it was given at 10 50 it would have no effect at 1105. he says correct aslong as the infusion is stopped at that time.(doesnt make sense)

if its given quickly it can cause problems with breathing. u give it slowly to reduce the risk if u give it slowly u can see any problems. god flanagan is patronising
 
Go prosecution, he pointed out that the situation was becoming too hypothetical and that the witness already testified that the patient would wake up after 5 minutes (25 mg propofol)
 
volitional said:
can some one see where Flannagan is going with his cross?
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you dont see it?
he want to show that michael died cause he got the propofol very fast. not slowly.
and murray for sure gave it to him slowly. so michael killed him self.
thats his story he want to show.
 
It does not matter what the therapeutic guidelines are! Murray should not have been administering it!!!
 
"if the person was really tired, could one assume that the person is sleeping because he is really tired, even though you pushed 25 mg of Propofol?"

go fug yourself Flanagan, the "person" had enough Propofol in the system to undergo abdominal surgery and benzos to put a horse to sleep.
 
for therapeutic level of propofol for lighter sedation - expect 2 micorgrams per mil to be used according to manufacturers guideline
 
u would detect problems straight away cause the pulse oxy would tell u (except murray wasnt using one) if u then watch them for 20 mins if something goes wrong it isnt diprivan that causes it is it? objection substained as the person would already be awake after 5 mins

flannagans now saying he kept sleeping after being given dip that would only last 5 mins. the dr says he would be awake after 5 mins unless more diprivan was given. flannagan keeps pushing that mj stayed asleep after the diprivan ran out cause he was just tired.

theraputic levels again! all flangan does is ask the same question to each witness. guidline for diprivan for major surgery is 4 mg per ml half of that for lesser sedation. mj had 2.6 in femoral blood
 
Why is Flanagan and who's on the stand (I just got home from appointment) talking about Propofol in doses of 2 or 4 "mcg/ml" (microgram per ml) .........shouldn't it be 2mg/ml or 4mg/ml? The dose of Propofol is based on the units of mg/ml (milligram per ml), not mcg/ml. I'm confused? dosages in mcgs are way too small of unit. Dosage whether bolus or continuous drip is measured in mg/ml.
 
mjchris said:
you dont see it?
he want to show that michael died cause he got the propofol very fast. not slowly.
and murray for sure gave it to him slowly. so michael killed him self.
thats his story he want to show.
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Thank you!
I agree that the prosecution MUST point out that there was a different bag of saline present.
 
are the jury really listening to this crap. whats its gotta do with negligence
 
mjchris said:
you dont see it?
he want to show that michael died cause he got the propofol very fast. not slowly.
and murray for sure gave it to him slowly. so michael killed him self.
thats his story he want to show.
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was the propofol diluted with lidocaine, then? If michael pushed all that undeluted propofol into himself that rapidly, he would be waking up the neighborhood with his scream....
 
going on about loraz and redistrubution again! asks if hes read that article by lasoltz or whoever it is. same bleeding question as he asked dan anderson.
 
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lemon662 said:
Why is Flanagan and who's on the stand (I just got home from appointment) talking about Propofol in doses of 2 or 4 "mcg/ml" (microgram per ml) .........shouldn't it be 2mg/ml or 4mg/ml? The dose of Propofol is based on the units of mg/ml (milligram per ml), not mcg/ml. I'm confused? dosages in mcgs are way too small of unit. Dosage whether bolus or continuous drip is measured in mg/ml.
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I think he is talking about blood concentrations, not dosage (4 mcg/mL is therapeutic range for surgery, 2 mcg/mL is therapeutic for lighter sedation).
 
Elusive, you could save yourself sometime and just copy & paste the defence questions for every witness. These guys are unbelievable.
 
It's like getting major deja-vu every time the defence get up to question a witness. Same questions over and over...
 
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