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[HIStory]

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Smokey Robinson's family too?

Hopefully he was being sarcastic in his comments.

I said "friends" and family...

 

[qbee]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Actually I Really like 3Ts performance of Why? regardless of all the politics and controversy surrounding the Tribute Concert
It brough tears becuase I rememeber when Michael recorded it with them and how it was to tribute to their mother who was killed
http://youtu.be/NNHHs0aUcz0

No matter what others feel Ive always had a deep affection for 3T and that wont change-
I do have discussions on twitter with Taj when I disagree but I have not lost any love for him

 

[athina_livadi]

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Smokey go and live in a cave, you are not worthy of anything else. Ignorance...

 

[HIStory]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Actually I Really like 3Ts performance of Why? regardless of all the politics and controversy surrounding the Tribute Concert
It brough tears becuase I rememeber when Michael recorded it with them and how it was to tribute to their mother who was killed
http://youtu.be/NNHHs0aUcz0

No matter what others feel Ive always had a deep affection for 3T and that wont change-
I do have discussions on twitter with Taj when I disagree but I have not lost any love for him

Tarryll has a great resemblance to Michael. Not just his looks but also his moves.

 

[gerryevans]

Smokey’s comments are another dagger in the heart. They show how little he really cares. He’s not even trying to get the facts. If he was taking the time to actually follow the case AT ALL, he would not make such arbitrary uninformed comments. He would know this doctor not only did not act within any professional standard, but did not show Smokey's supposed friend BASIC human decency. When Ortega expressed concerned for MJ, Murray told him to butt out. Days later, he pumps him with a drug combination that kills him. And this is a person Smokey feels sorry for. That’s what hurts. Realizing someone who actually knew MJ since he was child isn’t bothering at all to learn what happened to him, and yet makes public statements expressing sympathy for his murderer. Unreal.

 

[Memefan]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

SMDH at this mess. So backstage while cashing the check for the "tribute" he is bad mouthing MJ and feels bad for conrad Murray? The "doctor" who delayed calling the police, lied to paramedics, lied to UCLA doctors, and lied to investigators?

I told @smokey_Robinson exactly what a ridiculous older "brother" he is.

 

[Lynn88]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Did you watched the same video I did? Because that child does not look like he was having fun. He read his lines, Paris didn't have to correct him. That was his line. He was crying up there too. I don't think we saw the same video.

Paris did correct him. He introduced his father and she corrected him a few seconds later. At the end of the show when everyone came on stage is when he was smiling and having a good time.

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Although I strongly disagree with Smokey and am disappointed in his statement, I can understand where he is coming from if you understand his history.

Smokey has grown up and watching people who were both older and younger than him die or destroy themselves from some type of drug abuse. Given that history, although he may love Michael, Smokey may see as Michael more at fault than the doctor. I am certain he has seen doctors do stuff for stars that they shouldn't or wouldn't for a normal person and I suppose he came to the conclusion that if it wasn't Murray, Michael would had just gone to someone else in the end. With that mindset, than the person who died is the one mostly at fault.

Once again, don't agree with Smokey. And elusive, the last time Smokey saw Michael was when Prince was born.

 

[cinzia]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I read that from SR last night and it was just another two edged sword from a 'friend' of Michael's. Why should any of us be surprised? He's not the first one to throw Michael under the bus in the guise of friendship. He's not the first to exploit his relationship with Michael and he won't be the last. I would like to slap his face for making such a comment. Is he stupid not to realize how this sounds? Making Michael sound like he was on a power trip and murray was his 'boy' to do his bidding? What a horrible thing to imply. Why can't any of Michael's so called (by themselves) friends come out with damn righteous indignation, with cold fury, with words of LOYALTY, for heaven's sake in support of the man who died!!!??? Why all this tippy toeing about, feeling sorry for murray???
I am beyond disgusted. But I am also powerless to do anything about it. I have very few illusions left in my life but the loyalty of a friend is one of them. Behind the scenes it might be different but ...A friend will defend you in public. Smokey Robinson is no friend, not now.

 

[loveforever]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Smokey is more a family friend than a Michael Jackson friend, the thought he had about Murray was more likely from the Jacksons. after all we had heard many times the Jacksons said Murray was just the fall guy and felt sorry for him. no one give a damn about the truth, 2005 all over again... michael was the victim of inhumanity but those greedy no life made his life hell got the great sympathy. What a ignorant world!

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

smokey is another clueless idiot who probably knows nothing about the case. to busy getting a pay cheque off mjs name. when was the last time he saw mj 1984? he can go forth and multipy

oh yes he know where the bank it to cash that check.....Smokey has now disgusted me....what a shame

Then again hes only reporting what the family no doubt think

yup.

SMDH at this mess. So backstage while cashing the check for the "tribute" he is bad mouthing MJ and feels bad for conrad Murray? The "doctor" who delayed calling the police, lied to paramedics, lied to UCLA doctors, and lied to investigators?

I told @smokey_Robinson exactly what a ridiculous older "brother" he is.

I really is pretty disgusting that Michael is STILL the last one that people feel sorry for....HE is the one that is dead...while these FAKE friends of his celebrate during a Murder trial and then spit on his grave afterwards. THAT is what it seems like Smokey did to me. Friends,,,these are Michael's friends??? He sure the hell didn't need anymore enemies if HIS FRIENDS feel bad for the guy that killed him. SMDH

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Although I strongly disagree with Smokey and am disappointed in his statement, I can understand where he is coming from if you understand his history.

Smokey has grown up and watching people who were both older and younger than him die or destroy themselves from some type of drug abuse. Given that history, although he may love Michael, Smokey may see as Michael more at fault than the doctor. I am certain he has seen doctors do stuff for stars that they shouldn't or wouldn't for a normal person and I suppose he came to the conclusion that if it wasn't Murray, Michael would had just gone to someone else in the end. With that mindset, than the person who died is the one mostly at fault
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I agree with your assessment and that's why his comments bother me. He spoke in general terms and hasn't looked at this specific case. He should have gone the "no comment" route since he isn't following what happened. Murray didn't try to safeguard his friend AT ALL. That's been proven. I'd think he'd be angry about that if he had any genuine perception of what went on, even if he also holds MJ culpable.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

A twitter address for smokey. goody good!

 

[mjzfille]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

And we wonder why Murray has not shown remorse its due to statements from the family and the so called friends.

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I agree with your assessment and that's why his comments bother me. He spoke in general terms and hasn't looked at this specific case. He should have gone the "no comment" route since he isn't following what happened. Murray didn't try to safeguard his friend AT ALL. That's been proven. I'd think he'd be angry about that if he had any genuine perception of what went on, even if he also holds MJ culpable.

I will only comment about this one more time and I will leave this topic alone. We all have strong feelings about this and I know I won't be changing anyone's mind, but I just wanted to put this out here.

I was talking to my dad about what Smokey said and he said whether neutrally that he also felt sorry for Murray. Now, before everyone and their mother jumps on me and call my dad a hater and not a true fan, let me just said that he has been a Michael Jackson's fan most likely longer than most of you have been alive. When Michael died, it was one of the few times my dad cried for anyone, let alone a figure he didn't even know. He is also a great reader of people and told me about the Jacksons being a greedy bunch long before June 09.

With the above said, I asked him why and how can you feel sorry for Murray given what he has done. He said that you can't help but feel sorry for a fool and he ruined his own life by his own actions. When I pointed out what he has done, yes my dad does knows the facts of the case, and how he won't even admit to any kind of wrong doing he said, 'Murray is a fool, what makes you think he would be honest?' He then said as a Christian it isn't our duty not to hate, when I said our I'm talking about me and my dad specially, but to pray for those who have done wrong, no matter what that wrong is. Jesus just didn't love the sinner.

I guess my point is just because someone may feel sympathy for Murray doesn't equal them feeling not feeling sorry for Michael or not thinking that Murray should pay for his actions. My dad said in no uncertain terms when he learned what Murray did that he was going to jail and losing his license.

As I said, not trying to change anyone's mind, but just wanted to show a different point of view.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Well the fool just got a message from me

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Well the fool just got a message from me

No offense elusive, but I doubt Smokey particular cares what a bunch of kids on his twitter account has to say about him. Given the mess he grew up back in the Motown days, pissing people off could be just another day for him. Really, what are fans going to threaten him with, not buy his greatest hit albums or calling him a has-been that no one cares about?

Really, there is nothing you can say or do to Smokey that can hurt him, so it's really a waste of time.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I will only comment about this one more time and I will leave this topic alone. We all have strong feelings about this and I know I won't be changing anyone's mind, but I just wanted to put this out here.

I was talking to my dad about what Smokey said and he said whether neutrally that he also felt sorry for Murray. Now, before everyone and their mother jumps on me and call my dad a hater and not a true fan, let me just said that he has been a Michael Jackson's fan most likely longer than most of you have been alive. When Michael died, it was one of the few times my dad cried for anyone, let alone a figure he didn't even know. He is also a great reader of people and told me about the Jacksons being a greedy bunch long before June 09.

With the above said, I asked him why and how can you feel sorry for Murray given what he has done. He said that you can't help but feel sorry for a fool and he ruined his own life by his own actions. When I pointed out what he has done, yes my dad does knows the facts of the case, and how he won't even admit to any kind of wrong doing he said, 'Murray is a fool, what makes you think he would be honest?' He then said as a Christian it isn't our duty not to hate, when I said our I'm talking about me and my dad specially, but to pray for those who have done wrong, no matter what that wrong is. Jesus just didn't love the sinner.

I guess my point is just because someone may feel sympathy for Murray doesn't equal them feeling not feeling sorry for Michael or not thinking that Murray should pay for his actions. My dad said in no uncertain terms when he learned what Murray did that he was going to jail and losing his license.

As I said, not trying to change anyone's mind, but just wanted to show a different point of view.

As I said, I agree with your assessment. I see the point of view of your father and Smokey. I just didn't get from Smokey's comments he sees Murray's negligence.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I dont care if he reads it or cares. its called defending someone u love.thats why i do it and it makes u feel better getting crap like that off your chest. if mj is good enough to pay him a wage hes good enough to support. obviously he doesnt think that.ontop of tainting jury members and the public when his own friends and family defend murray what hope is there for justice

 

[Big Apple2]

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Thank you elusive.

Smokey could have kept his "opinions" to himself. He's been around long enough to know how it works.

I have no idea how he will react to anybody's tweet, but at least he will KNOW that some folks have a problem with his words. And that's good enough for me!

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I dont care if he reads it or cares. its called defending someone u love.thats why i do it and it makes u feel better getting crap like that off your chest. if mj is good enough to pay him a wage hes good enough to support. obviously he doesnt think that

Pay wages, do you mean the money Smokey got from the tribute? Elusive, how exactly do you know how Smokey will spend that money? As far as you know, he gave it all to charity and called it a day. Even if he didn't, Smokey has more than enough money himself and didn't need to do this 'tribute' for the cash. So, I really don't get this money line.

With all that said, it is perfectly within you right to vent at Smokey and I do think you should get it all off your chest.


Btw Apple, I never been of the mindset that people should keep their opinions just because people may not agree with it. I personally see people how does this as fake and even underhanded. I would whether people be honest about their beliefs than to try to be politically correct. You wouldn't like people saying you should keep your opinion of Michael to yourself in front of a person you may hate him or hold a different view point of him than yourself, so I don't think you should apply that standard to Smokey.

I'm certain he knew his view point wouldn't be taken well by fans, but he obviously didn't care. Once you reach a certain age, you have your mindset and no amount of anger or outrage is going to change it. An interview asked for his opinion and he gave it.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I dont care what he does with the money. The fact is he had no problem getting paid to pay tribute to mj but then supports his killer.strange logic.

im not here to change his or anyones mind but when i see b.s from those who claim to love mj then ill call them out on it.whether that makes a difference i dont care. the point is about calling their crap out in the first place

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I dont care what he does with the money. The fact is he had no problem getting paid to pay tribute to mj but then supports his killer.strange logic.

im not here to change his or anyones mind but when i see b.s from those who claim to love mj then ill call them out on it.whether that makes a difference i dont care. the point is about calling their crap out in the first place

Elusive, I completely understand your anger and I said you should vent if you think it will make you feel better. I've done it more than a few times myself when I'm angry, but I think it's kind of short-sighed to say that he supports Murray because he says he felt sorry for him. My dad feels sorry for Murray and also says his butt should go to jail and lose his license. Does these view points contradicts, maybe they do, but that's how they see things.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

Btw Apple, I never been of the mindset that people should keep their opinions just because people may not agree with it. I personally see people how does this as fake and even underhanded. I would whether people be honest about their beliefs than to try to be politically correct. You wouldn't like people saying you should keep your opinion of Michael to yourself in front of a person you may hate him or hold a different view point of him than yourself, so I don't think you should apply that standard to Smokey.

I'm certain he knew his view point wouldn't be taken well by fans, but he obviously didn't care. Once you reach a certain age, you have your mindset and no amount of anger or outrage is going to change it. An interview asked for his opinion and he gave it.

In this case, he could have kept his "opinion" to himself, OR within the confines of his own circle. No need to speak those particular words to the media while the trial in in progress.

Next thing you know he will release a STATEMENT to say his words were taken out of context. LOL! Ain't that how it usually works?

P.S. On one hand you don't want me to begrudge Smokey his opinion. I believe you should afford me the same courtesy!

As per you, an interviewer asked him a question and he answered it. Well I read his answer, and didn't agree with it or the timing of said answer. I REALLY don't see the problem. Unless you are saying that Smokey is entitled to his opinion, but I'm not entitled to mine. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I don't really feel like cutting smokey robinson any slack in what he said. He clearly isn't following the trial, or he would know murray is a devious and corrupt doctor who was willing within 48hrs of causing mj's death to throw the man's reputation under a bus, so in that case he should have shown basic common sense and judgement in not giving his opinion on the trial to A TV INTERVIWER whilst the trial is in progress.

What is so surprising to me is that he isn't following the trial, he knows mj since he was a little boy, and yet he is prepared to give the beneifit of the doubt to murray, someone he knows nothing about. There was no sense of outrage at mj dying, of mj being a victim who was taken too soon - he was only 50 with 3 young childen! I'm actually stunned at his remarks, and agree with other posters as to why the DA took so long in deciding what charges to bring against murray.

 

[teli-mj]

"I just think it’s tragic. I think it’s a tragedy. I feel sorry, in a way, for the doctor... He was just so happy to be around Michael Jackson, and to do whatever Michael said whenever Michael said it."

Smokey Robinson: 'I Feel Sorry For Dr. Murray' Soul icon Smokey Robinson feels sorry for Michael Jackson's embattled personal physician DR. Conrad Murray, insisting he believes the doctor merely wanted to be around the King of Pop. Robinson feels sure Dr. Murray was only doing what Jackson told him to do, and unfortunately that may have involved administering the fatal dose of anesthetic Propofol which cost the singer his life in June, 2009. Speaking to news show Access Hollywood backstage at Saturday's (08Oct11) Michael Forever tribute concert in Wales, the Tears of a Clown singer said, "I just think it’s tragic. I think it’s a tragedy. I feel sorry, in a way, for the doctor... He was just so happy to be around Michael Jackson, and to do whatever Michael said whenever Michael said it." The Michael Forever concert offered fans and Jackson family members a break from the Murray manslaughter trial in Los Angeles. The doctor faces jail time if he's found guilty. The trial recommences on Tuesday (11Oct11) following America's Columbus Day holiday.

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What the hell?

 

[Ramona122003]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

In this case, he could have kept his "opinion" to himself, OR within the confines of his own circle. No need to speak those particular words to the media while the trial in in progress.

Next thing you know he will release a STATEMENT to say his words were taken out of context. LOL! Ain't that how it usually works?

P.S. On one hand you don't want me to begrudge Smokey his opinion. I believe you should afford me the same courtesy!

As per you, an interviewer asked him a question and he answered it. Well I read his answer, and didn't agree with it or the timing of said answer. I REALLY don't see the problem. Unless you are saying that Smokey is entitled to his opinion, but I'm not entitled to mine. Is that what you're saying?

When did I say you shouldn't begrudge Smokey's opinions. I never said that. I never said you should cut him some slack or shouldn't be angry. I clearly said you have the right to express your opinions and disagree. I disagree with him at all and didn't care for what he said.

All I said in your post specially is that I am not of the mindset that one should hide their opinion just because it isn't popular. For example, I know my opinion on this subject isn't popular and I'm most likely going to get more than a few hate PM in my box today. But, I decided to tell my opinions anyway knowing that people won't like them. I wasn't getting on you about your opinion, I was talking about how you said that Smokey should had kept his mouth shut because he held a view point that isn't popular.

Maybe I misunderstood your post and if that's the case, sorry I meant no offense.

 

[teli-mj]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I'm tired of this ignorance coming from people who are supposed to be MJ'S friend and his family. What the hell, if they can't say something to defend him, then shut up and don't speak at all.
Conrad Murray is not only guilty for what he did to MJ but he is also a very dangerous person who should never practice medicine again. Smokey is feeling sorry for an incompetent, money hungry murdered who may as well do the same thing to other people, if he has not his licence removed.

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

All I said in your post specially is that I am not of the mindset that one should hide their opinion just because it isn't popular.

I hear you, BUT in this particular case, Smokey should have kept his trap shut.

Like I said previously, Smokey has been around long enough to know how THE MEDIA treats his so-called "brother." Why give them any more fodder to muddy up the name of Michael Jackson. They have accomplished that on their own and don't need any help from Smokey Robinson.

He "probably" has no idea what the heck is going on in that courtroom. If he did, I have a feeling he wouldn't be feeling sorry for anybody aside from Michael Jackson.

My personal comment to Smokey would be: Educate yourself before you open your mouth!

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Michael Forever Tribute/ MJJC Official Statement / Discussion / Estate statement / Fan letter @p

I hear you, BUT in this particular case, Smokey should have kept his trap shut.

Like I said previously, Smokey has been around long enough to know how THE MEDIA treats his so-called "brother." Why give them any more fodder to muddy up the name of Michael Jackson. They have accomplished that on their own and don't need any help from Smokey Robinson.

He "probably" has no idea what the heck is going on in that courtroom. If he did, I have a feeling he wouldn't be feeling sorry for anybody aside from Michael Jackson.

My personal comment to Smokey would be: Educate yourself before you open your mouth!

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