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We know mj was a billionaire but they were all assets tied up. you can be asset rich but cash poor
 
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/24/michael.jackson.estate/index.html
 
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Well it's good you know he was a billionaire but when you say "we". Based on the comments in this thread it seems you might be the only one that knows.

Also your comment brings us to the lawsuit. Thome gave the Estate $5.5 million in cash saying that MJ gave him that money and nobody else knew about it. Based on the claims now made, MJ may have given him more cash than that. Perhaps he realy gave Thome ten million. Not to get into speculation but the point is, did anybody consider that MJ could give $ 5 or ten million in cash like it was side change. How would anybody know how much cash a billionaire has? He likey had millions stashed in many differnt places the world would not know that.
 
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Also your comment brings us to the lawsuit. Thome gave the Estate $5.5 million in cash saying that MJ gave him that money and nobody else knew about it. Based on the claims now made, MJ may have given him more cash than that. Perhaps he realy gave Thome ten million. Not to get into speculation but the point is, did anybody consider that MJ could give $ 5 or ten million in cash like it was side change. How would anybody know how much cash a billionaire has? He likey had millions stashed in many differnt places the world would not know that.

I thought that 5mil was money from royalty payments?
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- Tohme says he received all the royalty payments from Sony on behalf of Michael
- Tohme says he set aside some of the royalty payments to purchase a house for Michael in Las Vegas and only Michael and Tohme knew about this.
- Tohme says after Michael's death he contacted the Estate and returned them the $5.5 million.
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Anyway, I do think that Tohme didn't return all the monies.
 
Well it's good you know he was a billionaire but when you say "we". Based on the comments in this thread it seems you might be the only one that knows.Also your comment brings us to the lawsuit. Thome gave the Estate $5.5 million in cash saying that MJ gave him that money and nobody else knew about it. Based on the claims now made, MJ may have given him more cash than that. Perhaps he realy gave Thome ten million. Not to get into speculation but the point is, did anybody consider that MJ could give $ 5 or ten million in cash like it was side change. How would anybody know how much cash a billionaire has? He likey had millions stashed in many differnt places the world would not know that.
yes its been wondered many times how much cash thome had. like u say five mill is the money he gave back. he could have kept some for himself. if he never gave the five back would anyone ever noticed? and yes many on here have taljed about mjs assets its not just me. back to when he refinanced and the court docs showed assets of over 1.5 billion
 
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Michael began borrowing against his assets in 2001. He kept refinancing and getting into deeper debt by borrowing against his 3 assets, his partnership with Sony, the ATV Catalog of Music Publishing; his "Neverland" Ranch and his own music, MIJAC.

Michael kept borrowing and borrowing and didn't seem to know how to stop. It started at $200M. This may be because of how much Sony paid him in 1995 for the 50% share in the ATV Catalog, which was $195M.

Then it looks like Michael began missing payments. Which is why Bank of America sold their loan with Michael to Fortress in 2006.

Michael continued to receive Royalty Payments on the ATV Catalog and his MIJAC music. With this cash flow he was suppose to pay his loan.

Michael's lawsuit with Marc Schaffel involved Michael borrowing money from Marc because of the loan payment. Michael always banked with Bank of America. That's why Michael avoided putting money into his account with the Bank.

It sounds like Bank of America would have garnished the monies from Michael to pay down his loan agreement monthly payment, which Michael may have skipped at times. Michael should receive an Honorary Degree for figuring out the system of Bank of America and how credit works with them.

That or help rewrite the system in how you try to outsmart a financial system as large as Bank of America. So in other words, Michael was always receiving Royalty Checks, and how do you cash a large check without raising suspicion by the Rules and Regulations of the financial institutions of the United States of America. Large sums of money will raise eyebrows, including the IRS. Blame the Mafia, the drug cartel's and 911 for these stricter guidelines and laws. If you don't like the laws, you take it through the Judicial System and end up in the Supreme Court fighting to change the laws or work through the Government, an act of Congress and see if something will get passed and not vetoed by the President.

It's a long, arduous road either way. Besides...Michael went back to work to gain control of his debt and the rest is HIStory!
 
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^ Alicat, mj got $95m for his half of the atv catalogue, not $195m.

Legacy, i really hope you're not implying that i don't realise mj's assets outweighed his debts. Just because someone's assets are worth a huge amount of money, if they are all leveraged and difficult to dispose of, that someone can be severely strapped for cash - it's a common occurence. I'm just at a loss at how you can argue against the fact that mj was having financial difficulties - the fact fortress wanted out of their loan on neverland and had the ranch up for auction is a bit of a clue - and the only loan mj got to replace it was from colony who offered this incredibly expensive and damaging deal which involved loss of control and part of the ownership. (Whether mj was in a position to get a better deal is one of the subjects of this lawsuit.)

Just because assets are worth a certain amount, does not mean you can borrow against the full value. No responsible lender would take that risk. If you are having to sell an asset in a firesale to cover a defaulted loan, you rarely get the full price for it as it's often sudden and sold just to cover the outstanding loan not it's true value eg the auction at neverland. And offloading assets for mj such as the catalogue would have massive tax implications. So just because mj's assets = x amount, doesn't mean he would get x amount if he liquidated everything, hence why he was finding it increasingly hard to get loans as he already had huge ones. His income from his catalgues was being eaten up by interest payments, as alicat pointed out in the above post, they were most probably being garnished by the loan providers. MJ's only solution it appears in 08 to solve his financial position, as attested by barrack and randy philips in numerous interviews before 25 june, and by his own actions, was to generate new income by touring, something he seemed to be really reluctant to do up til then.
 
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^ Alicat, mj got $95m for his half of the atv catalogue, not $195m.
MJ's only solution it appears in 08 to solve his financial position, as attested by barrack and randy philips in numerous interviews before 25 june, and by his own actions, was to generate new income by touring, something he seemed to be really reluctant to do up til then.

"$195 million" is far from the only inaccuracy.

Provide us with what Randy Phillips and Thomas Barrack said.
 
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Bubs you are right, When asked where the money came from he said MJ's recording royalties. You and exclusive moonwalker both have a fair reason to question if Thome would have given back all of the cash. The specific claims in this lawsuit raise fair suspicion about his character.

http://www.positivelymichael.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2833.html

-Thome said the money was a secret and Michael told him "don't tell anyone about this money"

-Michael was financialy supporting his mother

-The Estate says Michael was solvent and worth more than $500 million
 
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Perhaps this is why Raymone Bain was terminated in December 2007. It fits the timing of when foreclosure proceedings began on "Neverland." Poor Michael he went and lived with the Cascio family for three months (more or less) just before and he was probably trying to save up enough to pay his payment with Fortress Investments Group and then this happens. It's like 'hey Business Manager, Raymone Bain, where'd my money go???' Raymone Bain couldn't even manage her own money. She recently got into trouble with the IRS, owning almost as much as Michael paid her in her termination that Raymone Bain signed off on, over $400,000.
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"In April (of 2009), Jackson fired the accounting firm Cannon & Co., which had worked for him for a year, according to an accountant who worked on his finances." 10850 Wilshire Blvd # 1200 Los Angeles, CA 90024

That's about the same time that Thome was around. So Cannon & Co was keeping the books and Thome was the Business Manager.
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"The singer's financial predicament reached a crisis point in March 2008 when he defaulted on a $24.5-million loan and Neverland went into foreclosure."

"Tohme reached out to Barrack, who said he was initially reluctant to get involved because Jackson had already sought advice from Barrack's friend and fellow billionaire Ron Burkle."

"He (Thomas Barrack) said that the economic downturn makes Jackson more attractive as an investment because his value has been overlooked: In times like this, he said, "finding little pieces of information that others don't have" is more important than ever."

With the auction of Jackson's home and possessions just days away, Barrack made the singer a proposition.

"I (Thomas Barrack) sat down with him and said, 'Look . . . we can buy the note and restructure your financial empire,' " Barrack said. But, he told him, "what you need is a new caretaker. A new podium. A new engine."

"After buying Neverland, Barrack called his friend Anschutz. Barrack said the prospect of helping Jackson, given his recent criminal case, gave Anschutz, a devout Christian, pause. (Anschutz declined to be interviewed.)

Barrack had spent significant time with Jackson and praised him as a "genius" and devoted father. Ultimately, Anschutz agreed to put Jackson in touch with Randy Phillips, the chief executive of his concert subsidiary."

"Jackson and Barrack reached an agreement within seven days. Colony paid $22.5 million and Neverland averted foreclosure."

"The intervention of two billionaires with more experience in the boardroom than the recording studio seems on course to accomplish what a parade of others over the last dozen years could not: getting Jackson back onstage."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may/31/entertainment/et-michael-jackson31

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Tom Barrack did more for Michael Jackson, than did Thome Thome as Michael's Business Manager. It makes more sense why the Estate is suing Thome Thome, because Thome Thome is more about ego than actually doing something like Tom Barrack and Philip Anschutz did. Also, if Bank of America sold the note to Fortress Investments in 2006, was there a middle-man? That's why Thome Thome gives himself so much credit. Only thing, I thought Jermaine gave April of 2008 as when Thome entered the picture. This lawsuit should put Thome Thome in his place!
 
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I stand corrected:

COMPANY NEWS;MICHAEL JACKSON SELLS RIGHTS TO BEATLES SONGS TO SONY
AP Published: November 08, 1995

Michael Jackson, the singer, sold the music publishing rights to about 250 Beatles songs yesterday to the Sony Corporation for $95 million. A new publishing venture will combine Sony's music publishing division with Mr. Jackson's ATV Music catalogue to create a business valued at $500 million. In addition to the Beatles songs, Mr. Jackson's catalogue includes songs performed by Elvis Presley and Little Richard. Publishing rights to Mr. Jackson's own songs were not included in the deal. A spokesman for Mr. Jackson did not return a telephone call seeking comment. He bought ATV in 1985 for about $47.5 million.

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/08/b...on-sells-rights-to-beatles-songs-to-sony.html

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So this gets curiouser and curiouser! That would make the ownership of both Sony and Michael about $190M in November of 1995. It is sad that Fortress Investments was beginning to liquidate Michael's assets by December of 2007. It is interesting putting the pieces together and trying to make sense of it all!
 
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The more that facts are put on the table the more truth is revealed and nonsense is exposed. It has already been pointed out in this thread not only by me but another forum member, that article from the LA Times has inaccurate information... And they are one of Michael's biggest longtime haters. Without acknowledging any of that, the article was posted again using the inaccuracies to prompt more rumors. I can also prove that stuff about Michael being on such hard times that he needed to stay with the Cascio family is on the level of another one of MJ biggest haters in the media, Roger friedman.

"The facts are all Michael ever needed"
 
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Agree re the l.a times.they are very much a hater paper even more than others.and yes it does sound like a friedman comment funny when mj was staying with the cascios he was spotted looking at houses on the east coast. of course certain elements would try to belittle mj staying with his "family" as if it was done cause he had no where to live (forgetting the ranch the hideout, hayvernhurst etc he owned)rather than just staying with ppl he loved. did he have no where to live the last thirty years when he spent time with them?
 
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A Development in Tohme lawsuit against MJ Estate.

This will be an educated guess due to limited information available. So please bear with me.

I was checking the updates in the case and I saw this filing notice (sorry document not available yet)

03/05/2012 Notice of Motion (TO STAY ENTIRE ACTION PENDING DETERMINATION OF CONTROVERSY BY LABOR COMMISSIONER OF ISSUES ARISING UNDER THE TALENT AGENCIES ACT; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES; DECLARATION...)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant


So in short it seems like MJ Estate is asking the Tohme lawsuit against them to be put on hold until Labor Commissioner makes a determination about issues covered under the Talent Agencies Act.

So I wondered what is this Talent Agencies Act and found the law - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&group=01001-02000&file=1700-1700.4

So definition of Talent Agency is this

""Talent agency" means a person or corporation who engages in the occupation of procuring, offering, promising, or attempting to procure employment or engagements for an artist or artists, except that the activities of procuring, offering, or promising to procure recording contracts for an artist or artists shall not of itself subject a person or corporation to regulation and licensing under this chapter. Talent agencies may, in addition, counsel or direct artists in the development of their professional careers."

Then comes this rule

1700.5. No person shall engage in or carry on the occupation of a talent agency without first procuring a license therefor from the Labor Commissioner.

The law goes on to explain how every talent agency should apply for a licence and how the labor commissioner will look to their background and so and determine whether to give them a licence or not. It also explains that the talent agency has to file a copy of the contract and the schedule of the fees to be charged with the Labor commissioner. It says that every things has to be recorded, it can be examined by Labor Commissioner, money for the artists has to be put into a trust and so on and so on. The goal is to make sure that artists aren't taken advantage by unqualified and/or people with not so good intentions.

Then I looked to see previous lawsuits and found these examples

KE$HA SAYS FORMER MANAGER ACTED AS UNLICEN$ED TALENT AGENT - http://reporter.blogs.com/thresq/20...er-acted-as-unlicensed-talent-agent.html#more

LADY GAGA COUNTERSUES, CLAIMS EX-BOYFRIEND WAS UNLICENSED TALENT AGENT - http://reporter.blogs.com/thresq/2010/03/lady-gaga-countersuit-music-producer-agent.html

So what is my educated guess? MJ Estate if granted by the judge, plan to take this issue to the California Labor Commissioner and ask them to review and void / cancel Tohme's contract with Michael on the basis of Tohme wasn't a licensed Talent agency.

Some quotes about this law :

"That's a big no-no in California, where only registered (and regulated) agents can "procure" work for clients, and the punishment for violating the Talent Agencies Act can be severe."

"The Talent Agencies Act is a particularly fierce weapon when deployed against managers, and even the smallest acts of procurement can cause a management agreement to be voided. "

Apparently this evaluation by Labor Commissioner can take some time. It's also important to note that there's a there's a supreme court decision that says such actions do not automatically mean voiding of the contract. They first divide the things that require a licence and the things that do not and then make a decision - so it can range from totally voiding a contract, voiding parts and voiding nothing. (link: http://farrisliterary.com/articles/the-california-talent-agencies-act-and-personal-managers/)

another interesting read: http://www.agentassociation.com/frontdoor/news_detail.cfm?id=306
 
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Thanks for that informative and interesting fact. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the Estate.
 
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Very intresting ivy thanks
 
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Paul Gongaware's testimony makes more sense now about how the "HIStory" tour was losing money, because of the loan in 2001 with Bank of America.

I can also see why Bank of America sold the loan to Fortress Investment Group, because companies cannot afford to have bad debt on their books and several hundred million dollars is a lot of bad debt. Recently the country of the United States lost its triple A rating to borrow at a better interest rate. Bank of America gave Michael 5 year's to pay off his loan and it didn't happen.

I can also see why Michael fired Thome. He plum just didn't have any great ideas. If the best Thome could do was arrange a phone call on his 50th birthday into ABC, I'd fire him, too!
 
Autumn II;3602199 said:
Tohme's involvement with Colony Capital was hardly a SECRET! (yet his name was removed from their website, along with the "ambassador" statement.) We really don't know who the "DOES" are. Didn't the Estate legal papers say they don't know, either? That would seem to leave out Barrack, because surely they know he was partners with Tohme, and a part of the Neverland deal.

Hello Autumn!,
Yes. Tohme's involvement with CC was hardly secret.

In his column from march 24., 2009 wrote Roger Friedman this:
"Tohme, of course, was not only managing Jackson but working for Colony Capital LLC, the firm that had bought the $23.5 million note on Neverland."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510258,00.html


I search at the moment about James/Jim Weller and TRW Advertising......
What was his job für Michael? Ha he had a job? He was with Tohme at Julien and not only once times.
 
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Re ivy's post - That's an interesting development - i guess it could be good loophole to get out of the tohme contract. It was an extremely odd appointment to have such a novice in the entertainment field handle the biggest comeback in pop history.

^ I agree mneme if you look at the estate lawsuit and the tohme contract, there is really a suspicious relationship between tohme and barrack/colony. Tohme is meant to be mj's manager and serving his best interests but oversees this loan re neverland with colony which is more favourable to colony than to mj (according to the estate executors who i tend to trust more than tohme). And of course tohme is motivated to close this deal irrespective of mj's interests as he stands to make $2.3m out of it and 10% of any future sale.

The killer is the services contract between mj and tohme where he gets 15% of mj's earnings but also gets 10% of any future deals with colony. I imagine the fear for any artist is when their manager gets a backhander from a 3rd party to push for the artist to do a particular project. But here, the backhander is enshrined in a contract and is to be paid by mj himself! Of course, tohme is going to push colony deals all day long if he is going to get so much money out of it. - (i imagine colony would like to have done the financing of the atv catalgoue when the fortress loan came up for renewal, perhaps pushing for partial ownership). Branca and weitzman's jaws must have dropped when they read the details of this contract - i just have no idea if mj was aware of exactly what he was signing esp with him apparentlynot having any independent counsel. Tohme and barrack seem to have got mj in a corner - i actually don't like or trust either of them.
 
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The law goes on to explain how every talent agency should apply for a licence and how the labor commissioner will look to their background and so and determine whether to give them a licence or not. It also explains that the talent agency has to file a copy of the contract and the schedule of the fees to be charged with the Labor commissioner. It says that every things has to be recorded, it can be examined by Labor Commissioner, money for the artists has to be put into a trust and so on and so on. The goal is to make sure that artists aren't taken advantage by unqualified and/or people with not so good intentions.

This is good stuff. This bodes very well with what the Estate is claiming. i.e Tohme was a self-serving crook that was never representing MJ interests from the get go. Getting MJ to sign really questionable contracts designed to make himself rich at the expense of MJ. Plus, his so-called service fees were outrageously exorbitant, way above industry rate, especially for someone with no track record or experience in managing an artist, let alone the biggest pop star of all time.
 
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A Development in Tohme lawsuit against MJ Estate.

This will be an educated guess due to limited information available. So please bear with me.

I was checking the updates in the case and I saw this filing notice (sorry document not available yet)

03/05/2012 Notice of Motion (TO STAY ENTIRE ACTION PENDING DETERMINATION OF CONTROVERSY BY LABOR COMMISSIONER OF ISSUES ARISING UNDER THE TALENT AGENCIES ACT; MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES; DECLARATION...)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant


So in short it seems like MJ Estate is asking the Tohme lawsuit against them to be put on hold until Labor Commissioner makes a determination about issues covered under the Talent Agencies Act.

So I wondered what is this Talent Agencies Act and found the law - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=lab&group=01001-02000&file=1700-1700.4

So definition of Talent Agency is this

""Talent agency" means a person or corporation who engages in the occupation of procuring, offering, promising, or attempting to procure employment or engagements for an artist or artists, except that the activities of procuring, offering, or promising to procure recording contracts for an artist or artists shall not of itself subject a person or corporation to regulation and licensing under this chapter. Talent agencies may, in addition, counsel or direct artists in the development of their professional careers."

another interesting read: http://www.agentassociation.com/frontdoor/news_detail.cfm?id=306

Thank you for this Ivy, but I always worry about phrases that begin 'except that..........' It sounds as though carrying out these activities alone does not bring you under this legislation...do we know what else needs to be satisfied?
 
Paul Gongaware's testimony makes more sense now about how the "HIStory" tour was losing money, because of the loan in 2001 with Bank of America. I can also see why Bank of America sold the loan to Fortress Investment Group, because companies cannot afford to have bad debt on their books and several hundred million dollars is a lot of bad debt. Recently the country of the United States lost its triple A rating to borrow at a better interest rate. Bank of America gave Michael 5 year's to pay off his loan and it didn't happen. I can also see why Michael fired Thome. He plum just didn't have any great ideas. If the best Thome could do was arrange a phone call on his 50th birthday into ABC, I'd fire him, too!
wasnt gongaware testifying about the dangerous tour from what i remember and what would a loan from 2001 have to do with a tour from the 1990s
 
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I am hoping the estate will win this. This Tohme guy is bad news and didn't have Michael's best interests at heart. That's how I feel.
 
Agree re the l.a times.they are very much a hater paper even more than others.and yes it does sound like a friedman comment funny when mj was staying with the cascios he was spotted looking at houses on the east coast. of course certain elements would try to belittle mj staying with his "family" as if it was done cause he had no where to live (forgetting the ranch the hideout, hayvernhurst etc he owned)rather than just staying with ppl he loved. did he have no where to live the last thirty years when he spent time with them?

That's right
It's a fact that when he was visting the Casio's in 07' or 08' Roger friedman wrote an article claiming that MJ was so broke he and his children were sleeping on a friends couch in New Jersey. It's also a fact that in this thread other post by the same "fan" have also included rumors that were in Friedman articles. Who and what is behind some of MJ's rumors is being exposed, so something good has already come out of the Thome lawsuit.

"The facts are all Michael ever needed"
 
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This news about the labor commission is great and means the estate is attacking Thome from all angles. Great!
 
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Paul Gongaware's testimony makes more sense now about how the "HIStory" tour was losing money, because of the loan in 2001 with Bank of America.

But i dont understand what the 2001 loan would have to do with the history tour cuz that tour happened in 1996-1997... ??
 
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That's right
It's a fact that when he was visting the Casio's in 07' or 08' Roger friedman wrote an article claiming that MJ was so broke he and his children were sleeping on a friends couch in New Jersey. It's also a fact that in this thread other post by the same "fan" have also included rumors that were in Friedman articles. Who and what is behind some of MJ's rumors is being exposed, so something good has already come out of the Thome lawsuit.

"The facts are all Michael ever needed"

wonder who gave him that idea...?

The only ones who knew that MJ was at the Cascios...were the Cascios. And we all know Frank Cascio & Roger Friedman are bosom buddies.


Hopefully, the estate will win this one.

Tohme & Howard Mann' cases are the two most important...
 
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Thank you for this Ivy, but I always worry about phrases that begin 'except that..........' It sounds as though carrying out these activities alone does not bring you under this legislation...do we know what else needs to be satisfied?

The law is just about finding employment for the artist and that except that part means that getting a recording deal is not considered as finding employment.

I looked to the Supreme court decisions

1. It covers managers.
2. It's determined case by case basis.
3. It's determined by dividing the actions that requires a license and that doesn't.
4. Lawful actions and parts of the contract can be withheld and unlawful parts can be voided. If the central purpose of the contract is illegal, it can be voided entirely.

http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/marathon-v-blasi-33213

I'm thinking Tohme's claims of he arranged TII concerts - an employment - is relevant in regards to this law.
 
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The law is just about finding employment for the artist and that except that part means that getting a recording deal is not considered as finding employment.

I looked to the Supreme court decisions

1. It covers managers.
2. It's determined case by case basis.
3. It's determined by dividing the actions that requires a license and that doesn't.
4. Lawful actions and parts of the contract can be withheld and unlawful parts can be voided. If the central purpose of the contract is illegal, it can be voided entirely.

http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/marathon-v-blasi-33213

I'm thinking Tohme's claims of he arranged TII concerts - an employment - is relevant in regards to this law.

Thank you Ivy....I really hope that this legislation will help to 'carry the day' for Michael and the Estate.
 
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I desperately want the estate to win this, don't like to think of this creep being granted anything for doing very little.
 
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