Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

At the risk of taking heat for bringing up this "inconvenient" fact, how one pronounces words is also influenced by medication, lack of sleep, alcohol consumption, etc. There's also MJ's ever changing "nasal situation", which I don't have to draw a picture about. Who knows if on some of those Cascio songs, he didn't have on his nose one of those tapes that he used to breath more easily?

Right. While singing on the Cascio tracks MJ was heavily sedated, and at the same time he had a flu, pneumonia, sore throat, diarrhea, epilepsy and was hallucinating cuz he was probably heavily drunk and stoned by weed he smoked with Frank. So, you never know, he recorded the whole thing in the toilet and in the shower with all kinds of post-operatory equipment on him.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Cascio background vocals:

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[WildStyle]

Do you think it might mean that, like some people have said, the WBSS 2008 MJ vocals are actually from an older source, like an old demo from the eighties?

Then what are the backgrounds that Angelikson Productions are credited with? MJ's backgrounds and lead part are obviously recorded at the same time. Plus his voice sounds older than the early 80's.

Regarding the bridge on For All Time (please note I'm only talking about the BRIDGE here : I know that the rest of the vocals on FAT are from much earlier sessions) : don’t you think it’s strange that, artistically, either MJ decided NOT to sing the bridge himself, or if he did, that he chose to mix his vocals very low, to the point where we can barely hear him among the other voices? Couldn’t that be an indication that MJ felt that his vocals with the Cascios weren’t up to the usual standards?

No, that's the way the bridge is designed to be. He's not mixed low amongst other voices. That's MJ's own vocals stacked.

 

[WildStyle]

Ebony interview from 2007 at the same time when he was staying with Cascio's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GO26EKXfUY

He sounds clear headed and very engaging. His voice sounds like it always has.

 

[StellaJackson]

As far as I'm aware there was nothing recorded for For All Time at the Cascio studio other than additional keyboard parts by Eddie. There are certainly no vocals credited to Anjelikson for that song. I don't believe any extra vocals were even added to it. The only vocals recorded at that studio by Michael were for WBSS 08 as credited.

 

[StellaJackson]

Ebony interview from 2007 at the same time when he was staying with Cascio's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GO26EKXfUY

He sounds clear headed and very engaging. His voice sounds like it always has.

The Ebony/Jet and L'Uomo vogue photoshoots were also done during that time. There are also pictures of him attending a performance of the Lion King on Broadway. He looked happy and healthy, just as he did when attending Jesse Jackson's birthday party in LA immediately after his stay. People tend to forget that his stay at the Cascio's wasn't continuous as has been implied. He spent time in New York too, for the aforementioned photoshoots and interview, travelling back and forth. He was busting out dance moves for the Ebony shoot too. Remember, this video was taken when Michael was supposedly meant to be at the Cascio's, recording songs while at deaths door, according to some.


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[Virre]

And according to the Cascio parents he was very healthy when being there, eating their great pasta etc.

 

[SoCav]

As far as I'm aware there was nothing recorded for For All Time at the Cascio studio other than additional keyboard parts by Eddie. There are certainly no vocals credited to Anjelikson for that song. I don't believe any extra vocals were even added to it. The only vocals recorded at that studio by Michael were for WBSS 08 as credited.

Yes, I was also wondering whether we are even sure extra vocals were recorded for it at all. The lead vocals are obviously the same as on the version we have from the Dangerous sessions. The background vocals on the bridge also sound the same, but just raised in the mix (they are difficult to hear in the demo). I think it might simply be that their volume was raised.

 

[WildStyle]

You're right. Just listened to the initial leak.

 

[elapentela]

lol at you guys OBSESSING over JM, and following every "leak" from this nobody... The irony is incredible, in that you hate him, yet follow is career with more trepidation than any of his fans, if he has any.

I don't know if it's right to call him nobody. He definitely is somebody for obsessed doubters who study the every note he had ever sing. It seems they see his potentials and if he will suddenly emerge one day with more original sound done by known producer they will claim they discover him. Anyway I think he is a lot more talented than all MJ's newhews combined and if Austin Brown may make money as a solo singer than I would pay more for to watch Jason Malachi show (if I would ever have time for doing this).

 

[SoCav]

I don't know if it's right to call him nobody. He definitely is somebody for obsessed doubters who study the every note he had ever sing. It seems they see his potentials and if he will suddenly emerge one day with more original sound done by known producer they will claim they discover him. Anyway I think he is a lot more talented than all MJ's newhews combined and if Austin Brown may make money as a solo singer than I would pay more for to watch Jason Malachi show (if I would ever have time for doing this).

I must say I find it ironic that you always say that doubters have a vendetta against the Cascio's and then, in the same post in which you call doubters obsessed with Jason Malachi, bring up all of MJ's nephews (who have nothing to do with this matter), seemingly just to slag them off.

 

[kreen]

As far as I'm aware there was nothing recorded for For All Time at the Cascio studio other than additional keyboard parts by Eddie. There are certainly no vocals credited to Anjelikson for that song. I don't believe any extra vocals were even added to it. The only vocals recorded at that studio by Michael were for WBSS 08 as credited.

So there is no MJ on the bridge on For All Time?

 

[Chamife]

I don't know if it's right to call him nobody. He definitely is somebody for obsessed doubters who study the every note he had ever sing. It seems they see his potentials and if he will suddenly emerge one day with more original sound done by known producer they will claim they discover him. Anyway I think he is a lot more talented than all MJ's newhews combined and if Austin Brown may make money as a solo singer than I would pay more for to watch Jason Malachi show (if I would ever have time for doing this).

That explains a lot.

But of course tastes can differ.

 

[StellaJackson]

I must say I find it ironic that you always say that doubters have a vendetta against the Cascio's and then, in the same post in which you call doubters obsessed with Jason Malachi, bring up all of MJ's nephews (who have nothing to do with this matter), seemingly just to slag them off.

Typical hypocrisy.

 

[StellaJackson]

So there is no MJ on the bridge on For All Time?

I said nothing new was recorded at the Cascio studio. I didn't even mention the bridge. Where does the idea even come from that For All Time contains new vocals?

 

[StellaJackson]

Interesting video about how melodyne is actually used to smooth vibrato out, as opposed to accidentally increasing it. See 7.00.

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[elapentela]

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That explains a lot.

But of course tastes can differ.

Believe me, I listen to and watch a lot better acts than Austin Brown and 3T in the restaurants around USA and the world. And especially in USA the Talents Shows in regular schools pretty often have more talented kids than them. But in many cases artistically gifted people are also very good in other areas so usually they are choosing different professions and treat the art as a hobby.

Of course I absolutely don't mind if you prefer listen to A. Brown and 3T than Jason Malachi. I checked out all of them once and probably will not try again until they will play in restaurants I eat or they really have to do something very unique musically.

 

[Chamife]

Then what are the backgrounds that Angelikson Productions are credited with? MJ's backgrounds and lead part are obviously recorded at the same time. Plus his voice sounds older than the early 80's.



No, that's the way the bridge is designed to be. He's not mixed low amongst other voices. That's MJ's own vocals stacked.

And these s'es are especially recognizable in the bridge, IMO. I miss these in all of the Cascio songs.

Stacked makes sense. That's why I hear that S so clearly, Michael's 'S' x3, lol.

Believe me, I listen to and watch a lot better acts than Austin Brown and 3T in the restaurants around USA and the world. And especially in USA the Talents Shows in regular schools pretty often have more talented kids than them. But in many cases artistically gifted people are also very good in other areas so usually they are choosing different professions and treat the art as a hobby.

Of course I absolutely don't mind if you prefer listen to A. Brown and 3T than Jason Malachi. I checked out all of them once and probably will not try again until they will play in restaurants I eat or they really have to do something very unique musically.

I didn't say 3T or Austin Brown were unique or extremely talented. Sure there are a lot more young artists that can do the same thing. There are only a few artists that I say are very talented and who stand out to me.

Michael's fault.

But yes, I'd rather listen to (and watch..) Austin Brown than Jason Malachi.

 

[kreen]

I said nothing new was recorded at the Cascio studio. I didn't even mention the bridge. Where does the idea even come from that For All Time contains new vocals?

I don’t know; like I said, I didn’t follow the whole Thriller 25 era, and I don’t have the unofficial, pre-release leaked version of For All Time.

I was under the impression that the bridge on the Thriller 25 version of FAT was new, meaning that it wasn’t on the original unofficial version. I certainly remember a lot of people talking about “the new bridge on For All Time”.

So is it MJ on that bridge? I barely hear him, so he’s either real low in the mix, or if it’s all-MJ stacked vocals, he processed his own vocals big time. And are those vocals from the original Dangerous sessions, like the rest of the vocals, or are they more recent?

 

[elapentela]

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Stacked makes sense. That's why I hear that S so clearly, Michael's 'S' x3, lol.



I didn't say 3T or Austin Brown were unique or extremely talented. Sure there are a lot more young artists that can do the same thing. There are only a few artists that I say are very talented and who stand out to me.

Michael's fault.

But yes, I'd rather listen to (and watch..) Austin Brown than Jason Malachi.

However Austin Brown is no better singer than Jason Malachi at all and his only advance is
being related to Michael Jackson. And giving the same chance and an opportunity to work with the right producer and a right record company I quarantine you that Malachi would be more succesful on music market than Brown.

 

[Chamife]

However Austin Brown is no better singer than Jason Malachi at all and his only advance is
being related to Michael Jackson. And giving the same chance and an opportunity to work with the right producer and a right record company I quarantine you that Malachi would be more succesful on music market than Brown.

That goes for every artist..when you have the right people behind you and when it is the right time for it, everybody can be succesful, whether you can sing or not.

But that doesn't mean they are in the same league as Michael Jackson. Michael didn't have the X-factor, he had the XXL-factor.

We 'study' Jason not because we're mesmerized by his voice or music or his potentials (I think he has shown his potentials by now, I don't expect very much more to be honest), but because his voice matches with the singer on the Cascio songs (in a lot of 'doubters' opinions).

 

[Aniram]

I quarantine you

 

[WildStyle]

I don’t know; like I said, I didn’t follow the whole Thriller 25 era, and I don’t have the unofficial, pre-release leaked version of For All Time.

I was under the impression that the bridge on the Thriller 25 version of FAT was new, meaning that it wasn’t on the original unofficial version. I certainly remember a lot of people talking about “the new bridge on For All Time”.

So is it MJ on that bridge? I barely hear him, so he’s either real low in the mix, or if it’s all-MJ stacked vocals, he processed his own vocals big time. And are those vocals from the original Dangerous sessions, like the rest of the vocals, or are they more recent?

Yes, the For All Time bridge is Michael stacked on top of himself singing harmony. That you can't hear that is telling.

 

[qbee]

"For All Time"
Written and composed by Steve Porcaro & Michael Sherwood for the Thriller Album.
A demo version was recorded by MJ in 1990 for Dangerous Album but wasn't finalized at the time
Final version was newly mixed and mastered with additional lyrics in October 2007 for the Thriller 25th Anniversary Album.

Recorded by Bruce Swedien
Keyboards : Steve Porcaro, David Paich
Guitar : Steve Lukather
Drums : Steve Porcaro
Additional keyboards : Angelikson productions
Mixed by Mick Guzauski
Mixing assistant : Tom Bender
Produced by Michael Jackson


A whole new bridge was recorded for All time

demo bridge wasnt completed
Oh... oh, oh, oh...
The sun in me
Oh... oh, oh, oh...
All these words that young lovers say.

New Bridge for T25:
Oh, then on these quiet days
Where souls embraces so silently
Oh, the rain may wash away
All these words that young lovers say'



For all time Demo version leaked 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGZtoLCOzjo

For All Time Thriller 25 version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UClTiB-F9EM

 

[WildStyle]

Yes, you're right. Other than just being turned up, the lyrics are more discernible. Was listening on laptop speakers before.

 

[qbee]

I added both songs in my post above so we can hear the difference.
Sounds like Michael my have recorded new BG vocals beyond the bridge which was new lyrics
Th ending is longer and has more adlibs

 

[Billyjeanplxiv]

The New For All Time sounds like it has vocal processing at the verey end of the bridge. Does anyone hear this?

 

[Pentum]

kreen, what do you think of this?

http://www.2shared.com/audio/nw3qXO-l/remember_burn.html

Just want honest thoughts.

 

[Pentum]

Yo, Stella.

 

[Pentum]

@WildStyle your sig is awesome, man