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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Arklove said:
LOL...u just said that u know those songs are MJ and then ask azsummergirl to provide evidence that the songs are fake? :doh:

Now who's being hypocritical?
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I'm not the one doubting the songs and calling them fake when people close to MJ confirmed that MJ recorded them and many producers who actually knew MJ also confirmed it.
 
no. i can't even give evidence anymore because this is so ridiculously stupid. jason sounds like a white boy trying to be michael jackson. that's my evidence. if you don't hear that, that's just the way it is i guess you'll either hear it someday, or you won't.
 
@ ADKI..No you're just the one claiming you KNOW it's Michael when you have no evidence other than a statement...you're the one going around asking everyone to provide evidence when you can't even do it yourself..
 
Arklove said:
@ ADKI..No you're just the one claiming you KNOW it's Michael when you have no evidence other than a statement...you're the one going around asking everyone to provide evidence when you can't even do it yourself..
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Like I said your claiming that an official Michael Jackson song is not sung/performed by Michael Jackson then please show us because this is highly illegal.
 
Pentum said:
Was bored, made this - MJ VS JM - We've Had Enough. Saying he doesn't sound like Michael is stupidity. He's so close, it's sometimes scary. Many of the times, the quality is almost the only give away (to me). On the gritty part however, you can clearly hear he struggles.

PLAY! http://soundcloud.com/pentummj/mj-vs-jw-weve-had-enough
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You take the JW's version, you enhance it a bit with some softwares, you copy paste some MJ's words in the middle of JW's sentences and some screams and you can claim that MJ recorded a song in your studio, but that you don't have any photo, video, worktape or outtake.

And for the Portuguese accent, you just claim that "MJ" wanted to imitate the demo vocalist.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You take the JW's version, you enhance it a bit with some softwares, you copy paste some MJ's words in the middle of JW's sentences and some screams and you can claim that MJ recorded a song in your studio, but that you don't have any photo, video, worktape or outtake.
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Yup. I could've done that with that JW song in the "new song" thread i opened back. So many believed it was MJ without even thinking about it.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You take the JW's version, you enhance it a bit with some softwares, you copy paste some MJ's words in the middle of JW's sentences and some screams and you can claim that MJ recorded a song in your studio, but that you don't have any photo, video, worktape or outtake.

And for the portuguese accent, you just claim that "MJ" wanted to imitate the demo vocalist.
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PENTUM!!!!!!!!!!
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ADKIc3mAnX said:
Like I said your claiming that an official Michael Jackson song is not sung/performed by Michael Jackson then please show us because this is highly illegal.
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You always accept everything the official version tells you?
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Like I said your claiming that an official Michael Jackson song is not sung/performed by Michael Jackson then please show us because this is highly illegal.
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And you're making a mighty bold claim that you KNOW it's Michael Jackson on those songs without tangible evidence? While just going by the word of officials? It works both ways...You know neither side has proof....I never tried to pretend I had proof...But, unlike you, I don't go around correcting everyone who says the songs are or are not MJ....
 
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Chamife said:
And I also miss enthousiastic stories from Eddie Cascio.

Look how impressed all the other producers were about working with Michael. It's such a pleasure to read. One anekdote after another.
Eddie never shared any exitement or any memorable (funny) story or oneliners like "I want a beat when people hear it they just wanna eat it" from Michael in all these three months they worked hard. His dream came true...working with the one who encouraged him and inspired him to write music and songs and he has nothing to say about that?? Or maybe he wasn't that impressed anymore after all these years knowing Michael.
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That's another thing I find interesting...He's so mute about the whole recording process...If I worked with MJ, I would shout it to the world and tell everyone about the creative genius he was...Instead, Eddie tells us about button pushing lol...Why stay quiet about that?
 
Arklove said:
That's another thing I find interesting...He's so mute about the whole recording process...If I worked with MJ, I would shout it to the world and tell everyone about the creative genius he was...Instead, Eddie tells us about button pushing lol...Why stay quiet about that?
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Well he said the biggest anecdote ever: "This is Michael's voice".
 
Arklove said:
That's another thing I find interesting...He's so mute about the whole recording process...If I worked with MJ, I would shout it to the world and tell everyone about the creative genius he was...Instead, Eddie tells us about button pushing lol...Why stay quiet about that?
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Well he said the biggest anecdote ever: "This is Michael's voice".
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Yeah..., like this:


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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Then why are you using the argument based on what officials say when they say it without providing a single proof?
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I'm believing them because

#1 The idea of Sony/Estate releasing fake songs sounds insane (No offense to anyone).

#2 Sony and the Michael Jackson estate have claimed they have evidence that the songs are in fact performed by Michael Jackson (Something they would not say unless they were right because it could bite them in the ass if it was a lie).

#3 Many producers who worked with Michael Jackson for over 20 years were invited to a listening session and they confirmed that the lead vocals are by Michael Jackson (If those producers would have not said that they would have come up and said otherwise publicly).

#4 The songs sound like vintage Michael Jackson.

#5 The Cascio family would not turn around and stab MJ in the back when they had the chance before for a lot more $$$ when he was alive and they didn't.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I'm believing them because

#1 The idea of Sony/Estate releasing fake songs sounds insane (No offense to anyone).

#2 Sony and the Michael Jackson estate have claimed they have evidence that the songs are in fact performed by Michael Jackson (Something they would not say unless they were right because it could bite them in the ass if it was a lie).

#3 Many producers who worked with Michael Jackson for over 20 years were invited to a listening session and they confirmed that the lead vocals are by Michael Jackson (If those producers would have not said that they would have come up and said otherwise publicly).

#4 The songs sound like vintage Michael Jackson.

#5 The Cascio family would not turn around and stab MJ in the back when they had the chance before for a lot more $$$ when he was alive and they didn't.
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#1 It's not really that insane at all if we accept the possibility that they simply weren't aware of the fact that the vocals were fake. It really just boils down to incompetence. It is not the first time it has happened in the music industry.

#2 They may well have evidence but how reliable is it? If they didn't even compare the vocals to the most likely contender then they didn't cover all bases. They simply didn't do a thorough enough job of investigating this. The fact that they refuse to even show this supposed evidence should raise serious questions.

#3 Other producers such as Corey Rooney who were also there said the opposite. Rodney Jerkins said it doesn't sound like Michael. Even Quincy Jones, who ought to be a producer who knows Michael's voice pretty well, said he couldn't tell. Ultimately, those producers are no more knowledgeable than fans with regards to the situation. They weren't there when the songs were recorded. They offered different opinions in the same way that fans have. What they did or didn't say should not be taken as gospel.

#4 No they don't. You yourself admitted the vocals sound strange. If you're talking about the actual melodies or song structure, then you have to ask yourself why that is? Surely it is far easier to convince people that Michael wrote/recorded the songs if they sound like "vintage" Michael. Clearly this was a technique that worked.

#5 We don't really know what they would or wouldn't do. They certainly haven't been too concerned about cashing in on Michael's death. It doesn't appear that the motive was malicious. In a bizarre way, Eddie may have felt that he was helping Michael somehow by completing work that he wasn't able to. Either way, we have to accept the fact that they would have made a considerable amount of money by selling the songs and from the royalties. And of course, the only witnesses to the actual recording sessions are those who benefited the most financially.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I'm believing them because



#5 The Cascio family would not turn around and stab MJ in the back when they had the chance before for a lot more $$$ when he was alive and they didn't.
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Eddie Cascio does not represent the whole Cascio family.What he did or did not with those songs is his responsibility and not his family's since it is him credited as one of the song writers and producers of the songs and not his whole family. And money may not have been the only reason for Eddie to do what he did. The pursue of fame and of your wildest dreams is sometimes a strongest desire than money is.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
I'm believing them because

#1 The idea of Sony/Estate releasing fake songs sounds insane (No offense to anyone).
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You know what I call insane? Bombing Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands innocent people including children under the pretext made by the officials that Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction. After killing a sea of people those very same officials came forward to say "oops we were wrong, there are no weapons of mass destruction, sorry".

You think, SONY or anyone else couldn't use the same excuse with this isnignificant scenario with some trivial songs to the public "oops, sorry, we didn't know"?

ADKIc3mAnX said:
#2 Sony and the Michael Jackson estate have claimed they have evidence that the songs are in fact performed by Michael Jackson (Something they would not say unless they were right because it could bite them in the ass if it was a lie).
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The so called evidence might be presentable to the court of law, but as you don't see a single written report of that evidence you don't even know how strong that evidence is and if it wouldn't be questionable.

Tom Sneddon (an official) had claimed he had strong evidence, witnesses and what not, yet he failed big time, because his so called evidence backfired when it was questioned in court of law.

ADKIc3mAnX said:
#3 Many producers who worked with Michael Jackson for over 20 years were invited to a listening session and they confirmed that the lead vocals are by Michael Jackson (If those producers would have not said that they would have come up and said otherwise publicly).
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If you ignore all those who disagreed to have recognized MJ's voice, then yes. But Adki, open your eyes, not all of them agreed they heard MJ. By the way, if they had had that strong evidence they wouldn't have even needed to have a listening session at all!

Where are the outtakes? Where is the worktape? At least a picture? A video? Handwritten notes or anotations? Where is all the material that has been used to create those songs?

If they had had all that they would have shown all these pieces during that listening session. But apparently they had only their ears to rely on and what Eddie claimed.

ADKIc3mAnX said:
#4 The songs sound like vintage Michael Jackson.
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Of course. Melodies ripped off from previous songs do sound indeed vintage MJ. So, only because they used some samples and melodies from previous songs I should accept them as genuine?

ADKIc3mAnX said:
#5 The Cascio family would not turn around and stab MJ in the back when they had the chance before for a lot more $$$ when he was alive and they didn't.
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They did not have a chance when he was alive. MJ didn't do anything wrong when he was alive. The Cascio family cannot be compared to the Chandlers or Avrizos. Yet, as I said earlier, although the motive can be the same --> MONEY and fame, it doesn't mean that the ways to obtain those are the same. Some people backstabbed MJ when he was alive or simply turned their back on him (like Madonna said at the music awards) and some people try to collect the money thanks to the fact that they closely knew MJ when he was alive.

The fact that the Cascios didn't try to get the money from MJ when he was alive gave Eddie even more credibility when he claimed to have songs sung by MJ. If Eddie has nothing to hide, then he should accept the consequences of his action and come forward to answer MJ fans' questions. Not on Oprah, but on a MJ fan board. To all questions, not only the pointless and selected ones.

As far as the Estate and SONY goes, they should tell the names of the forensics, so we can check their credentials and publish their entire report. Call them back and compare the Cascio singer's voice with the one that is suspected.
 
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Something that some people ignore or not knowing about Cascio tracks

Let me make a disclaimer first.If I offend somebody, I'm sorry,I don't mean to.

I read some posts about Cascio tracks,and find some people just ignore some facts or just not know something.Let me give them to you.

1.Why did Michael(or whoever you want to call) sing a bit of Heaven Can Wait in Water?Did he try to Michaelish Water?

I don't know.Could you explain why Michael sang a bit of You Are Not Alone in Speechless(the verse:You Are always In My Heart)?Did he try to You Are Not Alonish Speechless?If we both don't know the reason,maybe we should make a call to heaven ask Michael.

2.Did Eddie Cascio say there were no outtakes?No.This is what Cory Rooney told you.

In fact,Cascios DO have a few outtakes.Listen to the Keep Your Head Up pre-mix snippet leaked last year.You can hear "hmmm" at start,that's one of the outtakes.

3.Who was "lying"?How did Cory Rooney and Taryll Jackson get into the listening session?Did they get there for the truth?Or for something else?Maybe for a song they worked together for Michael?

Go dig it.Look for the truth.
Cory Rooney said major listeners at that session nodded when he and Taryll spoke,so that meant they agreed with them.LMAO!They nodded just to let Cory and Taryll speak and not want to argue with them.Cory and Taryll just tried to convince producers that Cascio tracks were fake and warned them being sued.C and T acted like they knew everything about Michael,but just like Quincy Jones said before,Jacksons didn't have a clue about what producer and Michael did in the studio.

4.Let me give you a hint,who is in charge of Michael's musical legacy?Who is the guy apologized to Paul Anka when Paul said This Is It was stolen from him?who is the executive producer of Michael album?Where was he when fans wanted something from the estate to eliminate controversy?

When somebody resisted something,it didn't mean this is a fake.That guy may just hated somebody.
I'm sorry so many people talked about John Branca this John Branca that.You guys missed the one who was in the back.
 
Where are the outtakes? Where is the worktape? At least a picture? A video? Handwritten notes or anotations? Where is all the material that has been used to create those songs?
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Wasnt there a image that was released a while back of "best of joy" being written on paper? if not then i must have it mixed up with something else :scratch:
 
Adki, If Sony was fooled, they wouldnt admit to it.

If JFK had a second shooter...would they admit to (help/killing) a president? No. The person wouldnt
 
So John Branca who knew Michael for the best part of thirty years.

Who was not only Michael's business associate but also his friend (Michael acted as best man at John's wedding).

He wouldn't know Michael's voice.
 
^ Another random person joining the thread not knowing anything at all about this. Bravo.
 
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