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Michael - The Great Album Debate

lucilla said:
hehe, :D My thanks was only for the first paragraph of your post.
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I know...my computer is soooooo slooooooowwww....

But I like most of the mixes, in my opinion there's no use in comparing them with the originals, the whole point is that the mixes can be different. The truth is the originals will always be better in every way.
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Arklove said:
See, remixes are a love/hate thing for me...The remix can either make or break the song....Sometimes, remixes show different elements of a song that were maybe not heard as clearly in the original...(ex: taking away the vocals and just listening to the composition)...That's actually what I love about the Bad extended mix with the false fade....You can hear that funky guitar in the original, but even MORE SO in the mix....Making it even funkier, IMO...Michael's music is so diverse, so many things can be done with it...There are little pieces of magic that come out...:D....And sometimes, the remixes sort of don't do anything for the song...sometimes even taking away some of that magic...Good remixes bring out the greatness in the song, IMO...
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You're so right. Especially the last sentence I agree with. The 'feel' of the song has to stay in tact for me. But maybe we all like different parts in songs, so we feel different about remixes. But with a good part it's always nice to have it remixed and it can last a little longer.
 
What about the remixes off BOTD? I know a lot of people hate them. I'm not a big fan of them myself though I actually kinda like the 2Bad Camp Refugee Remix. It's funky-er and has a few extra ad-libs at the end. But still, the original is way better. It's actually in my top five fav MJ tracks. :D

'Too bad, too bad, 'bout it... why don't you scream and shout it?'
 
Chamife said:
I know...my computer is soooooo slooooooowwww....



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You're so right. Especially the last sentence I agree with. The 'feel' of the song has to stay in tact for me. But maybe we all like different parts in songs, so we feel different about remixes. But with a good part it's always nice to have it remixed and it can last a little longer.
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Exactly! ;)

Have you heard Birchey's Morphine remix?
 
T.N.A. said:
What about the remixes off BOTD? I know a lot of people hate them. I'm not a big fan of them myself though I actually kinda like the 2Bad Camp Refugee Remix. It's funky-er and has a few extra ad-libs at the end. But still, the original is way better. It's actually in my top five fav MJ tracks. :D

'Too bad, too bad, 'bout it... why don't you scream and shout it?'
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That's my favourite mix on BOTDF! I don't care for the other ones on the album..
 
StellaJackson said:
A buzz word thrown around to justify why Michael suddenly sounds like Jason.
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Yeah, how can it be that a MJ impersonator sounds like MJ? What's next, an Elvis look-alike resembling Elvis? No, it must be a complex, unexplained conspiracy, there's no other possibility...
 
Chamife said:
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In my opinion 'Take me away' is created with more respect and eye for details than the Cascio songs. That must have took so much time to puzzle all the pieces together. It's a piece of art on it's own. Of course it's a 'Frankenstein' song and when you listen you will hear how it's made, it's obvious, but at least Michael's voice is recognizable.

[youtube]pITn4rGZysk[/youtube]

ETA: I started listening to the mixes. First "Don't stop til you get enough" (favourite, ultimate dancesong for me) and I didn't like it. The climaxes weren't there (at 3.00, THE magical moment in the original for me....I waited for it and there was nothing....jeeezz...what an anti-climax) it's boring. In the original every second is exiting. All the elements that made it a great dancetrack are left out. Could be because it's an 'underground' mix and that has a certain sound to it...dunno. But the spirit of the original wasn't there.

Ok, let's listen to the rest...:D
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lucilla said:
hehe, :D My thanks was only for the first paragraph of your post.

But I like most of the mixes, in my opinion there's no use in comparing them with the originals, the whole point is that the mixes can be different. The truth is the originals will always be better in every way.
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Arklove said:
See, remixes are a love/hate thing for me...The remix can either make or break the song....Sometimes, remixes show different elements of a song that were maybe not heard as clearly in the original...(ex: taking away the vocals and just listening to the composition)...That's actually what I love about the Bad extended mix with the false fade....You can hear that funky guitar in the original, but even MORE SO in the mix....Making it even funkier, IMO...Michael's music is so diverse, so many things can be done with it...There are little pieces of magic that come out...:D....And sometimes, the remixes sort of don't do anything for the song...sometimes even taking away some of that magic...Good remixes bring out the greatness in the song, IMO...
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Chamife said:
I know...my computer is soooooo slooooooowwww....



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You're so right. Especially the last sentence I agree with. The 'feel' of the song has to stay in tact for me. But maybe we all like different parts in songs, so we feel different about remixes. But with a good part it's always nice to have it remixed and it can last a little longer.
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T.N.A. said:
What about the remixes off BOTD? I know a lot of people hate them. I'm not a big fan of them myself though I actually kinda like the 2Bad Camp Refugee Remix. It's funky-er and has a few extra ad-libs at the end. But still, the original is way better. It's actually in my top five fav MJ tracks. :D

'Too bad, too bad, 'bout it... why don't you scream and shout it?'
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Arklove said:
Exactly! ;)

Have you heard Birchey's Morphine remix?
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Arklove said:
That's my favourite mix on BOTDF! I don't care for the other ones on the album..
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Here's how I see the remixes as a witness of each era.

First you have to know that MJ was much into funky era in the 80s. So when you heard the original version of the song for the first time there was always a surprise effect, a wow effect.

Then when the singles were coming out, you expected to hear the same thing, but usually all of sudden you get even more surprised by the fact that the version is longer for probably "simmering" reasons. You know when for example you expect to hear the first notes of the song BAD, you actually hear the beats. The same goes for Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', The Way You Make Me Feel, Another Part Of Me, Smooth Criminal, Torture, Get It, Eaten Alive, etc. Back then, in the 80s it was very common to hear such kind of thing, it made people go crazy just by making them wait before finally hearing the singer singing the song or simply by hearing some vocals that are not on the officially released albums (video versions were even more different with other surrounding noises, extra beats like all MJ's short movies indeed).

Few examples of great "simmerings" of other songs:

George Michael "Monkey" extended:

[youtube]7Nl-wVXB3Fg[/youtube]

Madonna "La Isla Bonita" (extended)

[youtube]z9OWKT_TFPw[/youtube]

Toto "Africa" (extended)

[youtube]TTHhXK69p-Q[/youtube]

Bronski Beat "Smalltown boy"

[youtube]huavJMGUbiI[/youtube]

There were many, many others back then... it was a cool era :)

But, everything changed when songs such as "Pump up the jam", "Get up" (by Technotronic), "Got to get" (by Leila K), "I've got the power" (by Snap), Magic Friend, Twilight Zone, No Limits, Tribal Dance, (by 2 Unlimited), It's my life (by Dr.Alban), Get Away (by Maxx), etc. were released. Michael Jackson's style of music on Dangerous (released at the same time) had to sort of find its place also in the clubs (hence dance-club remixes of the songs), the 80s era was finished and the new sound of (electro)dance music was much more in than the 12" extended versions of the good old 80s:

Technotronic "Get Up" & "Pump up the jam":

[youtube]a6xDiPubxVU[/youtube]
[youtube]9EcjWd-O4jI&ob=av2e[/youtube]

Leila K "Got to get"

[youtube]o4HZPMuj6-o[/youtube]

Snap "I've got the power"

[youtube]_BRv9wGf5pk[/youtube]

KLF "What time is love"

[youtube]c-FqWBIPPSQ[/youtube]

2Unlimited "Tribal Dance", "No limit" & "Twilight zone"

[youtube]_UBnhK7pdIE&feature=fvst[/youtube]
[youtube]8yY4PiQ22AA&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]TRN9dwfmYd4[/youtube]

Dr. Alban "It's my life"

[youtube]8GsRJuYD9HI[/youtube]

Maxx "Get away"

[youtube]JGEO07x-FXc[/youtube]

etc. This kind of music was dominant in clubs, and there was no way to play a MJ song from Dangerous album in the clubs among these songs, hence the remixes were made to fit the trend. So that explains this:

Michael Jackson:

[youtube]2JgsMhHr6cM[/youtube]
[youtube]34qewNaMLVk&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]8TyJbsOlhrM&feature=related[/youtube]

etc... (many more)

later in the 90s the electro-dance trend was over, and RnB, soul, etc were more in (Sisqo, Fugees, etc.)

Sisqo

[youtube]MOXtoEvENXg&ob=av2e[/youtube]
[youtube]uqm_oM0Q8Dk[/youtube]
[youtube]Oai1V7kaFBk&ob=av2n[/youtube]
[youtube]43XWafBLJIM[/youtube]

Fugees:

[youtube]7YAEWrnOtrY[/youtube]
[youtube]Vm8yQOHOkaQ[/youtube]
[youtube]aIXyKmElvv8&ob=av2e[/youtube]

Michael's style evolved too, hence RnB-ish "You rock my world"

Little note on the last song of here posted Refugee's song, they used The Jackson 5's "Ready or not" and Enya's "Boadicea"

[youtube]7YUE1F1Is1w[/youtube]

[youtube]GIKzo_6CHhA[/youtube]
 
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kreen said:
Yeah, how can it be that a MJ impersonator sounds like MJ? What's next, an Elvis look-alike resembling Elvis? No, it must be a complex, unexplained conspiracy, there's no other possibility...
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It's not that there is an impersonator that sounds like Mj, it is that the Cascio vocalist sounds exactly like Jason Cupeta. For 16 months now we have been asking for someone official, or even just a "believer" fan, to explain why the tracks contain vocal tics that A) have never appeared in any Michael Jackson recording ever released and B) can be found consistently in all of Jason Cupeta's recordings. These include the accent, uncontrolled vibrato, pronounciation and snorts to name a few. That is before we get into the other suspicious circumstances surrounding these songs. We have been able to identify time and again where these appear and where they match Jason yet there is not one shred of proof that connects Michael to these songs. If you want to accept the word of the only witness, who sold the tracks for a considerable sum of money, and a statement that is full of holes then be my guest. But as someone who has seen time and again how Michael has been taken advantage of, I'm not about to share that view. Unless of course you can provide an explanation for all those issues backed up by some sources including the specific software and equipment that would cause such vocal nuances.... Oh and before you bring up the old processing story, check WBSS 2008. Same studio. Same time. Same equipment. Sounds fine.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET;3611491 said:
Here's how I see the remixes as a witness of each era.

First you have to know that MJ was much into funky era in the 80s. So when you heard the original version of the song for the first time there was always a surprise effect, a wow effect.

Then when the singles were coming out, you expected to hear the same thing, but usually all of sudden you get even more surprised by the fact that the version is longer for probably "simmering" reasons. You know when for example you expect to hear the first notes of the song BAD, you actually hear the beats. The same goes for Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', The Way You Make Me Feel, Another Part Of Me, Smooth Criminal, Torture, Get It, Eaten Alive, etc. Back then, in the 80s it was very common to hear such kind of thing, it made people go crazy just by making them wait before finally hearing the singer singing the song or simply by hearing some vocals that are not on the officially released albums (video versions were even more different with other surrounding noises, extra beats like all MJ's short movies indeed).

Few examples of great "simmerings" of other songs:

George Michael "Monkey" extended:

There were many, many others back then... it was a cool era :)

But, everything changed when songs such as "Pump up the jam", "Get up" (by Technotronic), "Got to get" (by Leila K), "I've got the power" (by Snap), Magic Friend, Twilight Zone, No Limits, Tribal Dance, (by 2 Unlimited), It's my life (by Dr.Alban), Get Away (by Maxx), etc. were released. Michael Jackson's style of music on Dangerous (released at the same time) had to sort of find its place also in the clubs (hence dance-club remixes of the songs), the 80s era was finished and the new sound of (electro)dance music was much more in than the 12" extended versions of the good old 80s:

etc. This kind of music was dominant in clubs, and there was no way to play a MJ song from Dangerous album in the clubs among these songs, hence the remixes were made to fit the trend. So that explains this:

Michael Jackson:

etc... (many more)

later in the 90s the electro-dance trend was over, and RnB, soul, etc were more in (Sisqo, Fugees, etc.)


Michael's style evolved too, hence RnB-ish "You rock my world"

Little note on the last song of here posted Refugee's song, they used The Jackson 5's "Ready or not" and Enya's "Boadicea"

[youtube]7YUE1F1Is1w[/youtube]

[youtube]GIKzo_6CHhA[/youtube]
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You prefer the 80’s sound, right?

I wasn’t that “conscious” in the 80s that’s why I have implanted in my brain that extended versions and mixes most of the time are two different things.

But yeap. I understand and I was part of the people waiting to hear different adlibs from MJ (or any other artist that I like) in mixes, extended versions and videos/short films.

Anyway, I still enjoy unofficial mixes and mushups in which I don’t hear anything new, but only what the DJ is trying to bring.

Sometimes the result it’s great, sometimes it’s a disaster :D

Oh I didn't know Refugees used Enya, thanks for that info.
 
@Bumper: Aha, now I see! Also like the extended mixes from the 80ties (loved the 80ties music! My discotheque era) The songs stayed recognizable because the style in which it was made didn't change. Loved that Bronski Beat example (and actually also the Madonna, Toto and George example, lol)

Not a fan of technotronicing (for instance) Michael's songs up, but now I see why that was done.
 
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If Murda is untouched 100% i refuse to think its Michael becuase it doesnt sound like him to me.

And is the opus sound pitch corrected or something?
 
"Murda" clearly doesn't SOUND like Michael at all, but really, who knows judging from a 0.5 seconds snippet.
 
Korgnex said:
correct. do u notice sth about the sound quality of the demo?

what about "murda"?
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Earth song, easy. Demo + final version mixed. In the demo version Michael is singing in falsetto either to preserve his voice or because he intended to sing it that way.

"Murda" = too short, but the first impression is not him.

But neither of the voices sound like the one on the Cascio songs.
 
murda is too short , and honestly i can't judge it is MJ or not....in our case we judge complete songs,complete verse....(This is my opinion)
 
Pentum said:
Yeah, KORGNEX, why don't you show us a line instead :)
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From the snippet I hear, although it is extremely short (hence I could be wrong), it gives me impression that the speaker saying the word isn't an English speaker. He sounds as if he had an Indian or Pakistani pronunciation of the "r" and the "d" sound. Because of the noise in the background I could be wrong of course.
 
Sounds like some Jamaican raido guy screaming shit over a brand new song of Chris Brown or something. "Brrrra, brrra! dis new track from Chris Brown iz da murda!"
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Some more:

[youtube]ey0RXywXG98[/youtube]

[youtube]m-vvVspJALc[/youtube]
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HHHHHHHHHAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHA:rofl: can't stop laughing,good thing that cascio didn't use that man instead of the goat...

is that man have some broken teeth or something??!!!
 
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