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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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So if Michael is not on the tracks, who benefited from it? and if no one did, why did they do it? And if you dont know why they did it, can we assume the possibility of those tracks being Michael?
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I don't know. We know Sony bought the a cappellas (tracks...) from The Cascios. I'm not saying Sony knew about this all along, but in the end, before releasing it, they must've realised it's not Michael on the tracks.


We assumed it was Michael on the tracks, before Breaking News streamed. I see no possibility it is Michael on the tracks. Michael did sing at The Cascios, though. But not these songs.


The how and for what reason is something I am not sure of. I don't really care that much either, because in the end, the same answer will be that it's not Michael on the songs.



And that's just fine by me.
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Bye then.
 
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larry141094 said:
If the latter is infact the case, and the Jackson family knows this, how come they won't press charges?
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Because they don't have the "proof" everyone keeps talking about that can hold in a court?
 
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Pentum said:
I don't know. We know Sony bought the a cappellas (tracks...) from The Cascios. I'm not saying Sony knew about this all along, but in the end, before releasing it, they must've realised it's not Michael on the tracks.


We assumed it was Michael on the tracks, before Breaking News streamed. I see no possibility it is Michael on the tracks. Michael did sing at The Cascios, though. But not these songs.


The how and for what reason is something I am not sure of. I don't really care that much either, because in the end, the same answer will be that it's not Michael on the songs.




Bye then.
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It does in fact matter, "Michael did sing at the Cascios" so if he did, then why would the Cascios sell fake tapes? asking questions will lead to the truth and that is what we are doing
 
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samhabib said:
No company can tell me what I'm listening to. It's not Michael Jackson, as far as I'm concerned. And no 'analysis' will change that.
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Exactly, I haven't listened to any comparison videos or any JM stuff. I've been listening to Michael my whole life and it's obvious to me that he is not singing on BN & most of Monster.

It's like someone showing me a sheep and saying it's a horse. I don't need a vet to cut it open & explain the intricacies & inate differences. I can see for myself it's a frigging sheep.
 
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No, it doesn't really matter to me.

It's pretty obvious why The Cascios would sell fake tapes. They saw the opportunity to make lots of money and the took it and they succeeded. They're gunnin' for the money so they fake it.

Tony R said:
Exactly, I haven't listened to any comparison videos or any JM stuff. I've been listening to Michael my whole life and it's obvious to me that he is not singing on BN & most of Monster.

It's like someone showing me a sheep and saying it's a horse. I don't need a vet to cut it open & explain the intricacies & inate differences. I can see for myself it's a frigging sheep.
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Exactly, lol.

And why haven't you seen any audio/video comparisons!? I'd love to see your reaction to my three videos!
 
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Pentum said:
Because they don't have the "proof" everyone keeps talking about that can hold in a court?
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That is not correct, if charges are brought, then the analysis will be brought forward in court, the proof we dont have, will be brought, and the Jackson's lawyer would know this
 
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larry141094 said:
And how is it that you know your ears are right?
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UNBELIEVABLE question. Unbelievable. Who is in this picture?

Madonna_3-.jpg
 
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Pentum said:
No, it doesn't really matter to me.

It's pretty obvious why The Cascios would sell fake tapes. They saw the opportunity to make lots of money and the took it and they succeeded. They're gunnin' for the money so they fake it.


Exactly, lol.

And why haven't you seen any audio/video comparisons!? I'd love to see your reaction to my three videos!
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What your not answering, is why would they sell fake tapes over real tapes?
 
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larry141094 said:
That is not correct, if charges are brought, then the analysis will be brought forward in court, the proof we dont have, will be brought, and the Jackson's lawyer would know this
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I've said it before, I don't know why The Jackson family haven't done anything yet. Many of the family members have stated that they don't believe it's Michael on the songs. Pherhaps they are waiting because of the Murray case which is 10 times more important.

larry141094 said:
What your not answering, is why would they sell fake tapes over real tapes?
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Maybe they didn't have the tapes? Maybe Michael took them with him? Maybe he didn't do any songs at all? Maybe The Cascios had a plan years ago to record songs with Jason then kill Michael and say "hey, these are Michael's songs"?

Last one was a joke, but these questions can not be answered by anyone here.
 
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Pentum said:
I've said it before, I don't know why The Jackson family haven't done anything yet. Many of the family members have stated that they don't believe it's Michael on the songs. Pherhaps they are waiting because of the Murray case which is 10 times more important.


Maybe they didn't have the tapes? Maybe Michael took them with him? Maybe he didn't do any songs at all? Maybe The Cascios had a plan years ago to record songs with Jason then kill Michael and say "hey, these are Michael's songs"?

Last one was a joke, but these questions can not be answered by anyone here.
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Then you cannot by rights of that statement, question the songs
 
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larry141094 said:
Not a reliable test, yes hearing and sight are senses, but a blind person cannot hear a picture, nor can we hear an actual person within a song
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A deaf person wouldn't qualify to be tested if he/she could hear Michael on the songs or not.
 
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larry141094 said:
Not a reliable test, yes hearing and sight are senses, but a blind person cannot hear a picture, nor can we hear an actual person within a song
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A blind person cannot hear a picture? And a deaf person can see music?

Not a reliable test? It's as reliable as people's sonic senses. For the record, it's a picture of Madonna. But you're not prepared to state that? That says everything, really.

Get it right, YOU can't hear an actual person in a song. Some of us can. And are prepared to have an opinion about it.
 
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larry141094 said:
Not a reliable test, yes hearing and sight are senses, but a blind person cannot hear a picture, nor can we hear an actual person within a song
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A deaf person wouldn't qualify to be tested if he/she could hear Michael on the songs or not.
larry141094 said:
Then you cannot by rights of that statement, question the songs
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???? Why? I have the songs right here in front of me in the highest quality. I've listened to them 100 times, they are not Michael. I don't question the songs anymore.

Can I ask you, what is the reason you believe it's Michael on the songs? Because Sony told you so? Because The Cascios and Teddy Riley told you so? What are your thoughts after hearing the great audio comparisons? "Hold on, they only cut out the parts where Jason sounds 100% like Michael. Unfair".
 
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samhabib said:
A blind person cannot hear a picture? And a deaf person can see music?

Not a reliable test? It's as reliable as people's sonic senses. For the record, it's a picture of Madonna. But you're not prepared to state that? That says everything, really.

Get it right, YOU can't hear an actual person in a song. Some of us can. And are prepared to have an opinion about it.
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Its quite obvious that i didnt mention a deaf person, i didn't answer your question because it was not relevent, nor reliable, as sight is something that can be almost indefinitely recognized (like pictures in a line up) but voices are not as easily identified
 
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You all are wasting your energy. Here is a compromise for everyone:

Michael Jackson is singing on all his songs except on the fake songs.
 
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Pentum said:
A deaf person wouldn't qualify to be tested if he/she could hear Michael on the songs or not.


???? Why? I have the songs right here in front of me in the highest quality. I've listened to them 100 times, they are not Michael. I don't question the songs anymore.

Can I ask you, what is the reason you believe it's Michael on the songs? Because Sony told you so? Because The Cascios and Teddy Riley told you so? What are your thoughts after hearing the great audio comparisons? "Hold on, they only cut out the parts where Jason sounds 100% like Michael. Unfair".
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I have 3 factors that i put into my reasoning (by the way i originally thought the tracks were fake and later changed my mind upon thinking about it)

1. Common Sense (It's a Michael Jackson album)
2. No one would benefit from the transaction (As Sony would not have spent money on something that was fake, i assume they had it analysed first so that they had insurance that their money wasn't being wasted)
3. Accepting that there was no proof otherwise and having gone down a list of Socratic possibilities came to the conclusion i am at.
 
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larry141094, I'm just curious, but what are your ears telling you? If your ears telling you that it's Michael and you're backing it up by providing other proofs, then it's totally fine and I wish I could hear the Casio tracks the way you do.
 
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larry141094 said:
I was simply saying how using a picture to identify someone could not be used as proof that a person can positively identify a person through a song
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What are you even talking about?!? I posted the picture after you asked Arklove 'how can you be so sure of your own ears?' or somesuch. Are you sure enough of your own eyes to say that that's a picture of Madonna? If not, does that mean you're not allowed to claim it's Madonna???
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
You all are wasting your energy. Here is a compromise for everyone:

Michael Jackson is singing on all his songs except on the fake songs.
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Here endeth the lesson.
 
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samhabib said:
What are you even talking about?!? I posted the picture after you asked Arklove 'how can you be so sure of your own ears?' or somesuch. Are you sure enough of your own eyes to say that that's a picture of Madonna? If not, does that mean you're not allowed to claim it's Madonna???
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You can not be reasoned with, you completely missed the point once again, Eyes capture light which is then interpreted by the brain, using that stimuli a person can identify an object or a building, yet hearing is not so precise, we can hear the sound of a budgie, and identify it as a budgie, but if we were blindfolded and heard three different budgies, even figuring out that they were different budgies, would be near impossible
 
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You are right, Gugu, but where to start? We've been discussing this for months now, leading no way. I fear it will only continue, and I fear Sony will try to make us forget. Lots of fans have already moved on. Maybe that's what they want us to do? Move on?

Because, where the hell is the proof The Cascio have? WHERE?

larry141094 said:
You can not be reasoned with, you completely missed the point once again, Eyes capture light which is then interpreted by the brain, using that stimuli a person can identify an object or a building, yet hearing is not so precise, we can hear the sound of a budgie, and identify it as a budgie, but if we were blindfolded and heard three different budgies, even figuring out that they were different budgies, would be near impossible
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Why are you making things so complicated?
 
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