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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Listen to the last video and tell me do you hear any ressemblance with the vocalist from the Cascio tracks? For real!
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Well yes just in 1985 it was an early version.
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No, 1985 is the date of registration. It was written during (and probably recorded) for THRILLER. The version on "Michael" is from 1994. But the question was: Is it the same song?
 
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Listen to the last video and tell me do you hear any ressemblance with the vocalist from the Cascio tracks? For real!
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To me as a believer I said before I hear a Michael on all the Cascio tracks and I'm for real.

And that performance on You Were There was amazing !
 
Korgnex said:
No, 1985 is the date of registration. It was written during (and probably recorded) for THRILLER. The version on "Michael" is from 1994. But the question was: Is it the same song?
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Well they said from early 80's so I guess so but like Chicago 1945 and Al Capone transformed into Smooth Criminal I guess the same happened with the early version of Much Too Soon.
 
BTW everyone I removed Monster Rap Version from the Wikipedia list of unreleased Michael Jackson material I kept the other version which I named Alternative Version since it is and was the early version of Monster.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
BTW everyone I removed Monster Rap Version from the Wikipedia list of unreleased Michael Jackson material I kept the other version which I named Alternative Version since it is and was the early version of Monster.
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You edit stuff on the MJ wikipedia unreleased songs page?
 
I'm surprised that list has not yet been compromised by those idiots that put out fake stuff.
Just imagine seeing "Give Thanks To Allah" pop up there...

No, you can keep your Cascio-related complaints to yourselves. :p
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
How do we know that by Michael saying "Water, Water" he was just not asking for water since a few seconds later he got some water.
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Yeah he was just asking for water but then Casio/Porte used that to try and make out Michael was singing a little bit of their song, just like they did for Burn 2Nite and Black Widow which were both taken from TII imo.

Edit: Is it you that wrote that Fall In Love samples I Can't Help It on the unreleased wikipedia page. I was just wondering cos that's not accurate.
 
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StellaJackson said:
Yeah he was just asking for water but then Casio/Porte used that to try and make out Michael was singing a little bit of their song, just like they did for Burn 2Nite and Black Widow which were both taken from TII imo.
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Ummm okay...

When did the Cascio's say that MJ was singing Water ?
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Ummm okay...

When did the Cascio's say that MJ was singing Water ?
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It was claimed by Roger Friedman who was getting his info from Frank Dileo, who in turn was the person who brokered the deal between Casio/Porte and Sony. I know Roger Friedman is not usually reliable but the info he gave on this issue is important because he was getting his info as an exclusive straight from the horses mouth in exchange for his support. That's why he went on and on about how great the songs were, about how authentic they are and desperately tried to get Quincy Jones to say they are real despite bad mouthing everything else Michael had released in the last decade.
 
StellaJackson said:
It was claimed by Roger Friedman who was getting his info from Frank Dileo, who in turn was the person who brokered the deal between Casio/Porte and Sony. I know Roger Friedman is not usually reliable but the info he gave on this issue is important because he was getting his info as an exclusive straight from the horses mouth in exchange for his support. That's why he went on and on about how great the songs were, about how authentic they are and desperately tried to Quincy Jones to say they are real despite bad mouthing everything else Michael had released in the last decade.
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Oh I haven't heard of that.
 
StellaJackson said:
It was claimed by Roger Friedman who was getting his info from Frank Dileo, who in turn was the person who brokered the deal between Casio/Porte and Sony. I know Roger Friedman is not usually reliable but the info he gave on this issue is important because he was getting his info as an exclusive straight from the horses mouth in exchange for his support. That's why he went on and on about how great the songs were, about how authentic they are and desperately tried to get Quincy Jones to say they are real despite bad mouthing everything else Michael had released in the last decade.
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Not to mention that one of the members in this very thread suggested that when Mike said to burn the jacket, he was maybe making reference to "burn2nite" :rofl:
 
StellaJackson said:
It was claimed by Roger Friedman who was getting his info from Frank Dileo, who in turn was the person who brokered the deal between Casio/Porte and Sony. I know Roger Friedman is not usually reliable but the info he gave on this issue is important because he was getting his info as an exclusive straight from the horses mouth in exchange for his support. That's why he went on and on about how great the songs were, about how authentic they are and desperately tried to get Quincy Jones to say they are real despite bad mouthing everything else Michael had released in the last decade.
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You should not take Roger Friedman that serious. We know he's got a good source sitting within the MJ Estate (or MJ's camp before his death). That's why he knew about Cascio songs first. But you can clearly see that he had no real knowledge about them and his claim he would have heard the demo tracks is just a funny example of how he works: He discovered the copyright registrations! By claiming to have heard the demos by Porte only, it was just his way of claiming to have knowledge of something unheard about that he didn't really have. He's a tabloid journalist, this is how these dudes work. He makes up things. At first he mentioned 10 Cascio songs, then it became 12. You can also see that the things he found out were discussed at the inner circle of the Estate's management and that's where he gets his info.
Imagining how anyone of these business people should become influenced and manipulated by reading a blog from a tabloid journalist is beyond funny!

That theory about him being involved in the alleged fraud is not logical and far-fetched. It's also wrong that he only reported negatively about MJ before his death. He had a turning point sometime in 2007/2008 (can't remember exactly). And he used to get attention by selling both positive and negative news - whatever was more suitable for him. He also knew about MJ's stage fright and other issues that many fans didn't want to hear about.

Frank DiLeo is another person that has been accused of being involved in this, simply because he's the manager of James Porte. I wouldn't go around and accuse people based on such simple trains of thought.
 
Korgnex said:
You should not take Roger Friedman that serious. We know he's got a good source sitting within the MJ Estate (or MJ's camp before his death). That's why he knew about Cascio songs first. But you can clearly see that he had no real knowledge about them and his claim he would have heard the demo tracks is just a funny example of how he works: He discovered the copyright registrations! By claiming to have heard the demos by Porte only, it was just his way of claiming to have knowledge of something unheard about that he didn't really have. He's a tabloid journalist, this is how these dudes work. He makes up things. At first he mentioned 10 Cascio songs, then it became 12. You can also see that the things he found out were discussed at the inner circle of the Estate's management.
Imagining how anyone of these business people should become influenced and manipulated by reading a blog from a tabloid journalist is beyond funny!

That theory about him being involved in the alleged fraud is not logical and far-fetched. It's also wrong that he only reported negatively about MJ before his death. He had a turning point sometime in 2007/2008 (can't remember exactly). And he used to get attention by selling both positive and negative news - whatever was more suitable for him. He also knew about MJ's stage fright and other issues that many fans didn't want to hear about.

Frank DiLeo is another person that has been accused of being involved in this, simply because he's the manager of Frank DiLeo. I wouldn't go around and accuse people based on such simple trains of thought.
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I think you mean Frank Dileo was Porte's manager? Unless he was managing himself. lol :) I know Friedman is full of it. The guy is an idiot. I just think that someone, possibly Dileo, was giving him the exclusive which is why he was so supportive. I think Friedman believes the songs are real based on what he was told. As for Dileo, I believe he went to his grave believing the songs are genuine and as he is not here to defend himself then I personally wouldn't bring him into it. I just wish we could have had a chance to ask him some questions - starting with "when did you first hear these songs?" I don't agree with you on the stage fright thing. What are you basing that on?
 
for some reason i think alot of you get turned on by Mike. lol

does this turn you on:











































Gold Pants.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
for some reason i think alot of you get turned on by Mike. lol

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Gold Pants.
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Whatever makes you say that?
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