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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Off the Wall is my second fave album...Bad is first...

I just adore OTW...My fave is Get On The Floor, WDAN and I Can't Help It...His vocals are so smooth and soulful...a really great collection of songs...:D
 
Arklove said:
Off the Wall is my second fave album...Bad is first...

I just adore OTW...My fave is Get On The Floor, WDAN and I Can't Help It...His vocals are so smooth and soulful...a really great collection of songs...:D
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I can't decide what my favourite album is. It's a 4-way tie between Bad, Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible. All have GREAT dance tracks and beautiful ballads. I love how futuristic and yet return-to-form Invincible is, and I love the variety that Dangerous brings: a vast majority of the songs links to the theme of something Dangerous. I adore Bad's high-powered energy, and even the ballads have that energy. With HIStory, I love how blatant Michael became with his message, so analysis of the songs is basically on composition as opposed to strictly lyrics. But I guess I'd say - out of those - HIStory is slightly lesser, despite the incredibly danceable tracks. It's gritty, yes but at the same time you rarely hear the playful Michael, the one that danced around the media. Granted, this was a direct retaliation to the media, but Michael's favourite thing was to create, and he didn't sound like he had the biggest of "fun" creating it as he did the others. The clear fun in Michael's voice as he's recording the other albums shines through in each track.

Though Blood on the Dance Floor also factors into the songs, because of the sheer creativity of the compositions and lyrics. Like Joe said, it was like a concept album, it didn't really fit a big theme. It's just Michael. I wish the Estate would do more albums like Blood on the Dance Floor, minus the remixes. Have them as collections of 5 or 6, and release them every year.
 
My top albums in order and favorite song from each album (Epic Records only)

#1 Thriller -> Billie Jean
#2 Dangerous -> Who Is It
#3 HIStory -> Earth Song
#4 Bad -> Man In The Mirror
#5 Invincible -> 2,000 Watts
#6 Off The Wall -> Workin' Day And Night
#7 Blood On The Dance Floor -> Ghosts
#8 "Michael" -> Monster
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
Yupp sounds to me like Michael Jackson and I'm as serious as I can be right now.

If only people would stop comparing voices or trying to clear vocals and try to perform a wave test.
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I can not agree. To me that sounds even less like MJ and I dont do comparisons - The fact that it sounds so foreign to my ears makes me sad.
They distorted his voice beyond recognition or it is not MJ. Either way its devides his fans and causes harm. I hope no futher Casicos songs are released for this reason. It causes fans to question their own ears and makes them feel bad for not knowing for sure. Now I do hear Michael in some parts of Monster :) but the more I hear Breaking News the less I can recognise his voice. :( I dont know what they did but I dont like how they produced theses songs. No mjatter who is singing. I think Its terrible for Michael and for his fans to have to go through this.
 
qbee said:
I can not agree. To me that sounds even less like MJ and I dont do comparisons - The fact that it sounds so foreign to my ears makes me sad.
They distorted his voice beyond recognition or it is not MJ. Either way its devides his fans and causes harm. I hope no futher Casicos songs are released for this reason. It causes fans to question their own ears and makes them feel bad for not knowing for sure. Now I do hear Michael in some parts of Monster :) but the more I hear Breaking News the less I can recognise his voice. :( I dont know what they did but I dont like how they produced theses songs. No mjatter who is singing. I think Its terrible for Michael and for his fans to have to go through this.
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I know how you feel. Regardless of the authenticity, it was NEVER a good idea for these songs to see the light of day. They're so weak, so poor, so unreflective of this man's work. Regardless, it would pain Michael to have these songs released because of how poor they are. Even when he wasn't trying, he could sound like an angel, but the vocalist on here sounds like he's trying a LOT... And to allegedly quote Teddy: "Michael doesn't swing that way".

Qbee, what part of Monster do you hear Michael? If it's the ending ad-libs, there are a HEAVY amount of older vocals in there from Invincible songs. Many people were convinced it's Michael by that section alone, but so much of it is copy-paste vocals. Not traditional Michael ad-libs, but words from his previous songs interjected in phrases.
 
qbee said:
I can not agree. To me that sounds even less like MJ and I dont do comparisons - The fact that it sounds so foreign to my ears makes me sad.
They distorted his voice beyond recognition or it is not MJ. Either way its devides his fans and causes harm. I hope no futher Casicos songs are released for this reason. It causes fans to question their own ears and makes them feel bad for not knowing for sure. Now I do hear Michael in some parts of Monster :) but the more I hear Breaking News the less I can recognise his voice. :( I dont know what they did but I dont like how they produced theses songs. No mjatter who is singing. I think Its terrible for Michael and for his fans to have to go through this.
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What if in future Cascio track releases they don't over over produce them as they did with the ones we have here and they sound clear to the point anyone can hear them and say "That's MJ right there" ?

I mean I can hear MJ with no problems but I understand what your saying.
 
ADKIc3mAnX said:
What if in future Cascio track releases they don't over over produce them as they did with the ones we have here and they sound clear to the point anyone can hear them and say "That's MJ right there" ?

I mean I can hear MJ with no problems but I understand what your saying.
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If the Cascio tracks are releasable commercially without heavy processing, then why the producers decided to over-over-process the three tracks on Michael? Just for fun? For their own egos? I guess not.

Assuming the Cascio tracks are 100% authentic, they are still just bare-bone demos. They aren't some of the best works Michael had done in the past decade.

IMHO, Michael would have never allowed the tracks to see the light of day in their current condition. But, hey, we are talking a posthumous release in which he never played a part.
 
qbee said:
I can not agree. To me that sounds even less like MJ and I dont do comparisons - The fact that it sounds so foreign to my ears makes me sad.
They distorted his voice beyond recognition or it is not MJ. Either way its devides his fans and causes harm. I hope no futher Casicos songs are released for this reason. It causes fans to question their own ears and makes them feel bad for not knowing for sure. Now I do hear Michael in some parts of Monster :) but the more I hear Breaking News the less I can recognise his voice. :( I dont know what they did but I dont like how they produced theses songs. No mjatter who is singing. I think Its terrible for Michael and for his fans to have to go through this.
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I fully agree!

If they do have raw unprocessed vocals, then let them be just like Michael left "In The Back" for example. I am frustrated that Michael hadn't finished that song, because I really feel that the song could have been a great one. At the same time I am happy it sounds nothing like the Cascio voice one.

I don't get the need to put those songs in such a pitiful over-processing to the point we don't recognize Michael's voice. Imagine if we were Elvis Presley's fans and instead of Elvis's voice we hear Boby Solo's voice on an Elvis's album!

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Or simply there's another logic: 12 overprocessed songs seem a bit too much to swallow, so it is completely normal we don't believe it is Michael singing them. I really am wondering in what part people hear MJ in "Fall in love" for example. It sounds extremely off and odd to be Michael at all.

The Estate screwed it big time with those songs and they don't want to admit it. As much as I had respect for Branca in the past, when I see his smile on his face now, I get cramps in my stomach and can't help but thinking of him as a traitor of MJ's taste, professionalism and perfectionism.

Regarding Eddie, no matter if he spent so much time with MJ and if he gave Michael's name to his child, but that guy should stay away from MJ's music. We don't need MJ's "friends" to create (fabricate) MJ's music.
 
Jesta said:
Thought so. Damn he's improved since we last heard our loathed audio nemesis. Though he's not improved so much as learned to whisper to sound better. So I take the compliment back. He's just more successful here than the Cascio vocalist was.
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Just to clear this up: despite what it says in the title of the YouTube clip, I am sure this is not a new Malachi song. I remember hearing this song more than a year ago.

I agree that Jason does a slightly better impersonation of Michael on ballads than on songs where he tries to sing with some grit in his voice (which always epically fails). But the voices still sound so different to me. Btw, is it just me or does JM's voice always sound really insincere/hollow/fake on ballads (on his own songs as well). It's actually a bit better on this song than on most of his other tracks, but he generally sounds like he does not mean a word of what he is singing to me; just feigned emotions.
 
Right, here are the three songs that "leaked" yesterday according to MJSTAR:

[youtube]anuAqAbU7lo[/youtube]
[youtube]JBSqHKcBIfo[/youtube]
[youtube]qsu-4hxrLgg[/youtube]

Shows how little they know about MJ's voice if they thought these might have been Michael Jackson.

Jason Malachi - Give You The World (Undiscovered, Revelation)
Tom Fox - Not sure the title, probably She's Not A Lady.
"No More" - The singer of the fake Monster cover thing.

And these death hoax believers are nutjobs. They believe everything this "Main Attraction" guy says. In the Tom Fox video, the guy claims Tom Fox IS Michael Jackson and the reason why he thinks that is because the Main Attraction is selling "his" album (compiled with other peoples songs, he steals, but says it's his songs), called "Bamsday" with this song included.

http://www.reverbnation.com/mellowradiance Look at this. He is SELLING the album with other people's songs! This guy needs to go to jail.
 
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Thanks, Pentum. I didn't know the singer of the "No More" fake.

I'm so tired of mjSTAR. I remember the admin used to be very negative towards MJ when MJ had a hard time (2002-2005). It's a shame he just wants to keep his forum alive and doesn't care about the lies, hoax, scams etc. over there.
 
^ What's their deal? And this Main Attraction guy is pissing me off. I contacted Tom Fox, to tell him about him selling his songs.
 
SoCav said:
Btw, is it just me or does JM's voice always sound really insincere/hollow/fake on ballads (on his own songs as well). It's actually a bit better on this song than on most of his other tracks, but he generally sounds like he does not mean a word of what he is singing to me; just feigned emotions.
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I completely agree, he's got a hollow voice when it comes to emoting something. He sounds like it's impossible to try and convey something and as such what he's giving out is a pale shadow of what it should be. That same feeling is in the opening refrains of Fall in Love to me.
 
If the recording studio at the Cascio's home was that amateuristic and Michael wanted to stimulate Eddie and help Eddie with his songwriting/producing business, don't you think he would've helped Eddie to get the studio in order before recording 12 (or more) songs in there? Proper recording equipment/environment should be the first priority.
And has anybody a clip/recording of other artists that recorded a song in the Angelikson studio, to show there was nothing wrong with that studio?


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Hold my Hand a capella from [size=+5]2008[/size], just one year or less later. Nothing wrong with the voice.

There was a better a cappella (from Pentum?) but it's gone now.
 
Chamife said:
If the recording studio at the Cascio's home was that amateuristic and Michael wanted to stimulate Eddie and help Eddie with his songwriting/producing business, don't you think he would've helped Eddie to get the studio in order before recording 12 (or more) songs in there? Proper recording equipment/environment should be the first priority.
And has anybody a clip/recording of other artists that recorded a song in the Angelikson studio, to show there was nothing wrong with that studio?


[youtube]qdpNNrMMjFI[/youtube]

Hold my Hand a capella from [SIZE=+5]2008[/SIZE], just one year or less later. Nothing wrong with the voice.

There was a better a cappella (from Pentum?) but it's gone now.
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We know there is nothing wrong with the studio because MJ recorded the new vocals for WBSS 2008 there as well. He sounds like himself on that track (see 1m18s in the clip).


Guess he had not discovered Eddie's shower and its amazing acoustics yet at that time.
 
Wow, that's interesting. On that "Main Attraction" link you have the label listed as Sony/Jab Me and there's a few Malachi references on there. Hmmm.....
 
He's all fake. Everything that's writteb about him is BS. Even his pictures, if you look closely, there are different people
 
Pentum said:
He's all fake. Everything that's writteb about him is BS. Even his pictures, if you look closely, there are different people
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Yeah, he just seems to gather some random MJ impersonator audio/video/pictures and posts them as his own. I think this guy has been at it for a while, right? I have seen him (or at least someone with the same name) post Jason Malachi songs as his own on YouTube (or was it a MySpace page? Not sure anymore) in the past. Never knew that he was actually trying to sell it though. Wow.
 
Not to alarm anyone, but on the Wiki page for unreleased songs, a new Cascio track has apparently surfaced called "Angel in Disguise". Now I KNOW Wikipedia is unreliable, but can someone check the US Copyright database for all of Eddie's discovered music? Just to make sure this isn't true.
 
Jesta said:
Not to alarm anyone, but on the Wiki page for unreleased songs, a new Cascio track has apparently surfaced called "Angel in Disguise". Now I KNOW Wikipedia is unreliable, but can someone check the US Copyright database for all of Eddie's discovered music? Just to make sure this isn't true.
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in copyright office everything is under compilation - so the names of the songs are unknown.

Angel in Disguise is credited to Porte on BMI

ANGEL IN DISGUISE (Legal Title)
BMI Work #11784412

Songwriter/Composer
CUMMINGS JOHNNY
FINK RICHARD IV
PORTE JAMES
 
BMI! That's what I meant! Thank you Ivy :) So Angel in Disguise is credited to Porte... That could mean the Wiki article author confused the songs because of Porte's involvement or put it there as a joke (the most likely ones) or this song was also recorded by the Cascio vocalist... But that's INCREDIBLY unlikely.
 
Two annotations:

1) "Hold My Hand" and the new vocals for "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008" were both recorded in 2007.
2) The Angelikson Productions credit for "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008" doesn't mean the vocals were recorded in the Cascios' basement. I pretty much doubt this. Don't forget that Michael helped Eddie to get in touch with Sony and Michael left the Cascios' house for some time and it rather seems like Eddie got the chance to get some real studio experience. The Angelikson Productions credit means that Eddie Cascio produced these vocals. It doesn't mean they were recorded in their basement which is very unlikely.


There are 12 MJ-related Cascio tracks. Other registrations have nothing to do with MJ. Some people just don't know much about the whole Cascio thing and keep on spreading wrong information, that's all.
 
Regarding 'The Main Attraction':
(I copied what I just posted on MaxJax as well)

I think, or maybe should say hope, that it is just someone who is playing around...

I did a quick Google search and came across this page with a more extended 'biography':
http://www.exploretalent.com/tymalachi

My first full length solo offering called BAMSDAY. I came up with well over a dozen new tracks. The new material had a slightly rougher edge to it, but was still melodic and catchy as hell! Finding musicians who would do the music justice wasn't too hard: I brought in better music which i did a superb job on the B.D. album
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And the person's MySpace blog:
http://www.myspace.com/MellowRadiance/blog

11 Things You Didn’t Know About The Main Attraction

1. His close friends called him “Turtle”/"Apple Head"

2. He always challenged people to a sing-off

3. His Mom nicknamed him “TyTy”

4. Main Attraction once dated two girls at the same time

5. Main Attraction believed that if you peeled the skin off of KFC chicken, it made it organic.

6. The Main Attraction Adore Michael Jackson

7. Main Attraction Love Monkeys

8. Main's favorite superhero was Morph from the X-Men

9. Main Attraction had is voice alterd in a few songs

10. Main Attraction wanna be on Epic records

11. The Main Attraction Wanna finish Michael Jackson This Is It tour
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Pentum said:
Right, here are the three songs that "leaked" yesterday according to MJSTAR:

[youtube]anuAqAbU7lo[/youtube]
[youtube]JBSqHKcBIfo[/youtube]
[youtube]qsu-4hxrLgg[/youtube]

Shows how little they know about MJ's voice if they thought these might have been Michael Jackson.

Jason Malachi - Give You The World (Undiscovered, Revelation)
Tom Fox - Not sure the title, probably She's Not A Lady.
"No More" - The singer of the fake Monster cover thing.

And these death hoax believers are nutjobs. They believe everything this "Main Attraction" guy says. In the Tom Fox video, the guy claims Tom Fox IS Michael Jackson and the reason why he thinks that is because the Main Attraction is selling "his" album (compiled with other peoples songs, he steals, but says it's his songs), called "Bamsday" with this song included.

http://www.reverbnation.com/mellowradiance Look at this. He is SELLING the album with other people's songs! This guy needs to go to jail.
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That person at MJStar is a joke.
 
SoCav said:
Regarding 'The Main Attraction':
(I copied what I just posted on MaxJax as well)

I think, or maybe should say hope, that it is just someone who is playing around...

I did a quick Google search and came across this page with a more extended 'biography':
http://www.exploretalent.com/tymalachi



And the person's MySpace blog:
http://www.myspace.com/MellowRadiance/blog
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That guy is on some serious stuff "11. The Main Attraction Wanna finish Michael Jackson This Is It tour"
 
What on earth is a 'main attraction' ?? Is it some death hoax rubbish?
 
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