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Chamife
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Oh..shoot. I was afraid you were going to ask that, but I will..;D
azsummergirl
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^^jesta i saw ur tweet from spike lee and i almost tweeted you ABOUT the tweet, but then i thought that would be too much tweeting. makes sense? 
lol
oh, and kind of OT (but i think that's the point right now, right) but do you guys know if there's a thread anywhere on mj's ancestry? i've looked but can't find. I'd be interested to know how far back anyone has been able to trace the jackson family.
loloh, and kind of OT (but i think that's the point right now, right) but do you guys know if there's a thread anywhere on mj's ancestry? i've looked but can't find. I'd be interested to know how far back anyone has been able to trace the jackson family.
Yay! When? loool
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^^jesta i saw ur tweet from spike lee and i almost tweeted you ABOUT the tweet, but then i thought that would be too much tweeting. makes sense?
Makes perfect sense
I nearly fell off my bed when I saw it, I went rushing into the living room to celebrate!!!
Chamife
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When I'm done, hahahaha!! But I'm not that creative, so don't expect too much.
Here's the remix of They Don't Care About Us with the choir from Immortal:
VERY catchy remix. Makes me wanna dance
That choir was amazing at the show! Just loved it!
love is magical
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I think I might have seen discussion on the Jackson's ancestry on LSA. I heard there is Asian blood in the Jackson's.
Chamife
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http://olgeya.wordpress.com/2010/02/27/mjs-family-tree/^^jesta i saw ur tweet from spike lee and i almost tweeted you ABOUT the tweet, but then i thought that would be too much tweeting. makes sense?
oh, and kind of OT (but i think that's the point right now, right) but do you guys know if there's a thread anywhere on mj's ancestry? i've looked but can't find. I'd be interested to know how far back anyone has been able to trace the jackson family.
You will need a magnifying glass for this.
Really? I knew about the Native American blood, but not Asian...
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I think they should use one of these guys for the next album. Then nobody will able to tell the difference and there won't be any arguing then.
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love is magical
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I vaguely remember reading that there is Chinese blood in Katherine's side. I always wonder where Michael got his almond-shape eyes from.
Michael has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen.
Yes :wub:
azsummergirl
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Calisto
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ivy said:
Let's say O-Bee or Jason Malachi recorded a lead vocal track in this basement studio.
Is it not at all possible for that vocal track to be "suitable for final release"?
ivy said:
While it's no big deal, the discussion Kreen and I had (which I thought was fairly intelligent) about copyright registration was actually initiated by him, not me. But like I said, it's not a big deal at all. I'm just correcting the record.
@bumper
just to give you notice. I have no intention to answer your posts. I realize that I'm a lot more content when I ignore your posts. And they feel like you are constantly on my back.
just one thing about my musician friends not showing pictures - and please do not see this as pompous - my musician friends are nationally famous musicians for 17 years. They had sponsorship agreements with major companies and released 9 albums and produced 30 albums. Sound engineers have worked with impressive rockers such as pearl jam, heart and many more. So they aren't the bunch of people that would be concerned with providing pictures - unless they are paid. When I ask "Can Melodyne alter vibrato?" and they say "yes" and tell me a bunch of stuff (that mostly above my understanding) I believe them. You are free not to.
It was intelligent and I have no problems with it. I just had issues with people acting like I only talk the legalities and such and I wanted to point out most of those "legalities" isn't a topic that I started.
first of all that's the studio in 2011 not in 2007. secondly just because it looks nice it doesn't mean it's releasable. I still do not see a proper sound booth for recording for example. Furthermore it's not only an issue of the equipment but the person behind it . A recording studio is only as good as the person running it. While my friends also have a very nice home basement studio and record a lot of their demos and do a lot of work there, their final work is always re-recorded in an actual studio, with actual producers and sound engineers because those people makes a difference. I have never heard them to say "We have a decent home studio and decades of experience so this is good enough". Furthermore if we remember what Birchey said - that the recordings are in different volumes and some were even too high (Quoting Birchey for you: Some vocals are clipped, which means they were recorded too loud, whilst some are not)- that doesn't sound like a proper recording that would be suitable for a final release. You have a recording and sound engineer that's not even able to maintain a proper and standard sound levels.
And to be clear we are talking about Michael Jackson - a professional musician right? It might be okay for a no -name musician to record a demo and put it online or send it to record companies to get a recording deal. But once that musician actually got a record deal and it would be a professional release through a record company I would expect it to be re-recorded in an actual studio with qualified musicians.
And for the people that doesn't believe in searching
31.03. 2011
yep we already discussed this 9 months ago. see the power of search.
just to give you notice. I have no intention to answer your posts. I realize that I'm a lot more content when I ignore your posts. And they feel like you are constantly on my back.
just one thing about my musician friends not showing pictures - and please do not see this as pompous - my musician friends are nationally famous musicians for 17 years. They had sponsorship agreements with major companies and released 9 albums and produced 30 albums. Sound engineers have worked with impressive rockers such as pearl jam, heart and many more. So they aren't the bunch of people that would be concerned with providing pictures - unless they are paid. When I ask "Can Melodyne alter vibrato?" and they say "yes" and tell me a bunch of stuff (that mostly above my understanding) I believe them. You are free not to.
It was intelligent and I have no problems with it. I just had issues with people acting like I only talk the legalities and such and I wanted to point out most of those "legalities" isn't a topic that I started.
first of all that's the studio in 2011 not in 2007. secondly just because it looks nice it doesn't mean it's releasable. I still do not see a proper sound booth for recording for example. Furthermore it's not only an issue of the equipment but the person behind it . A recording studio is only as good as the person running it. While my friends also have a very nice home basement studio and record a lot of their demos and do a lot of work there, their final work is always re-recorded in an actual studio, with actual producers and sound engineers because those people makes a difference. I have never heard them to say "We have a decent home studio and decades of experience so this is good enough". Furthermore if we remember what Birchey said - that the recordings are in different volumes and some were even too high (Quoting Birchey for you: Some vocals are clipped, which means they were recorded too loud, whilst some are not)- that doesn't sound like a proper recording that would be suitable for a final release. You have a recording and sound engineer that's not even able to maintain a proper and standard sound levels.
And to be clear we are talking about Michael Jackson - a professional musician right? It might be okay for a no -name musician to record a demo and put it online or send it to record companies to get a recording deal. But once that musician actually got a record deal and it would be a professional release through a record company I would expect it to be re-recorded in an actual studio with qualified musicians.
And for the people that doesn't believe in searching
31.03. 2011
Isn't that really the cheap end foam?
It looks like soundproofing foam but it's far from ideal. I personally never seen such limited use of soundproofing material. The home studios I know that all the walls / full panels of soundproofing. Plus I really do not see a vocal booth. Even if those limited foams can reduce some echo, they wouldn't stop from picking up other noises. In short I really do not think it's pretty good studio.
(Teddy went to their home after started working on the songs. He might be talking about the latest version of the studio)
even in the newer studio that odd sound proofing bugs me
and a better one will look more like this
yep we already discussed this 9 months ago. see the power of search.
Lucilla
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Imo, a humble studio doesn't change the accent of a person or erase the particular characteristics a singer has (a singer with 40 years of history). Nor the melodyne.
Lucilla
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I've heard all the comparisons Ivy, I'm not a native English speaker (as you probably know) but I know about different accents.
And I know MJ's accent.
Now I'm curious about what you think about the similarities in the pronunciation and accent of the Cascio singer and JM.
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thank you and to be clear I wasn't challenging your opinion.
I was just curious how much of the opinions were self formed and how much of it was introduced. that's all.
nothing. I don't hear it. I'm not the kind of a person that would take anything as a given - I'd like to form my own opinion and I openly acknowledged that I don't feel knowledgeable in that area to form an opinion on my own.
Lucilla
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My opinion was self formed. When I heard LaToya's first claims I was one of those who said insistently that she was full of s**
Thank you for clearing this up. I guess some people hear it and some don't, (not trying to underestimate anyone's ear here) as Gaz stated, until this day all we have is theories and personal opinions IN BOTH SIDES. And that's a sad truth.
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You see, that is a problem here. You think I am on your back, when in reality I am just countering your arguments and you seem not to accept being wrong about some things.
When we talked about legal aspects of the release, you explained things to me and I acknowledged them. I did challenge you with all kinds of questions as far as legal aspects were concerned and you answered them all. I accepted your answers, I believed them to be true and I told you that as far as those legal aspects were concerned I am ok with them as it sounded logical. I didn't systematically refuse to believe you when you explained things.
Now, when all was said and done about the legal aspects, I tried to explain to you that hearing an accent/timbre/intonation/pronunciation, etc is not as subjective as you pretend it to be unless people have some problems with ears (I am not mocking nor being sarcastic), you seem to ignore it. When you say that you are not good at recognizing the differences, then fine. But I have hard time to believe that for examle you can't hear Jason omitting [t] sound in the word "waiting" in his own songs, and the Cascio singer doing the same on the comparisons that were posted earlier in this thread.
After reading your comments, all I see is that you say that you can't hear it by yourself, so you need to ask people about it in order to make your own opinion, yet you seem to believe that the idea of Jason was introduced to other people as if they were not able to make their own opinion.
Have you ever asked yourself why any MJ fan on this planet would ever consider to "introduce" the idea of hearing Jason instead of Michael? Do you really think that we want to hear Jason on an MJ album?
You see, when you have a huge number of fans not knowing each other at all and hearing Jason on those tracks without ever introducing the idea to each other, then something stinks big time. Then as a fan, you come to a MJ fan board, you try to discuss it, and a Senior Administrator of the board says it's Michael Jackson on those tracks, but at the same time acknowledges that she can't hear it by herself, don't be surprised to have counter-arguments.
No one is on your back, but your position as a senior staff on this site can influence more people into believing that it's Michael than our position as simple members could ever influence anyone that it is Jason. Yet, there are many doubters, which means that, we simple members, did not influence people the way you seem to think when talking to Lucilla for example.
As far melodyne thing is concerned I am not knowledgable either, and by the way you've never seen me talking about it. However, hearing goaty vibrato on all Jason's songs, then hearing it on all Cascio songs, among all other mentioned factors, leads me to reinforce the idea that melodyne wasn't used as much as Teddy Riley claimed. Why would we hear shaky vibrato on each and every Cascio song when Michael had never ever done it before?
Now your friends may know how to use melodyne, but have they compared Jason's vibrato to the Cascio singer's vibrato and to MJ's vibrato before making an opinion?
p.s. Poor studio equipment does have an impact on the quality of the recording and performance, but not at the extent to change your voice sounding like someone else.
p.p.s. That's why I said earlier regarding intelligent discussions, you don't seem to give people on this board much credit, people who are specialized in different areas and above all who are MJ fans, who know Michael Jackson's voice. As if people who aren't on this board and who work here and there were some kinds of super humans, when in reality all comes down to MJ's voice.
If I want to know more about Elvis Presley's voice for example, I'd rather ask his hard core fans to talk about it and its soul than a forensic expert who would give an estimate, unsure observation of waveformat, but would be unable to talk about the soul that you can detect in the voice.
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Kapital77
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Bumper, we only have to read some coments during 2006/2008 to understand the situation we are living right now with those tracks produced with Teddy Riley & other great MJ producers (Jason didn´t have those producers with "Mamacita" or "Let me let go"):
Coments from 2008: (A year since the release of "Mamacita"):
Now, reading those coments, you can understand what´s happening now.
If he fooled many fans on 2007 & 2008 with his own producers, how many fans could be fooled with MJ producers + adlibs from MJ old songs?.
Coments from 2008: (A year since the release of "Mamacita"):
Now, reading those coments, you can understand what´s happening now.
If he fooled many fans on 2007 & 2008 with his own producers, how many fans could be fooled with MJ producers + adlibs from MJ old songs?.
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Angela_MJJ
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Bumper I suggest you talk with members or in this case Ivy about stuff that bothers you through PM and keep the thread free of comments directly aimed at someone. This thread is the great Album debate not the Great Bumper/Ivy debate which it's turning into now.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Just a little thing
Law/ regulations is different because it's not subjective, it's written. What I said to be wasn't my personal opinion or "my answers" but it was a fact.
I don't ignore it. When you explained it to me months ago , I read it all and said I know nothing. I - again - multiple times said I'm not knowledgeable in that area and as you do not talk about melodyne, I don't talk about accent , pronunciation and so on. I don't answer to it, I don't comment on it, I don't make counter arguments. It's no different than you not talking about Melodyne.
no my position as staff wouldn't. because unlike the doubters I don't go around saying this is "fact, evidence, proof" and it's "100% Michael". As I don't have a position that I push on other people, as I realize the difference between a personal opinion and factual proof and more importantly as I'm not trying to, I'm quite unlikely to influence anyone. Doubters on the other hand push their opinions as indisputable facts, show their comparison videos as evidence/proof and they are actively trying to convert people to their side. They are the ones trying to be the influencer. That's the main reason that I bug doubters so much - I seem to be not influenced.
plus my opinion + me being staff shouldn't concern you this much. As far as I know majority of the staff don't believe the songs to be Michael. so you are in a good environment. and I should be free and allowed to have my opinion regardless of what my title might be.
and funnily I'm not the only one that thinks you are on my back, so..
Law/ regulations is different because it's not subjective, it's written. What I said to be wasn't my personal opinion or "my answers" but it was a fact.
I don't ignore it. When you explained it to me months ago , I read it all and said I know nothing. I - again - multiple times said I'm not knowledgeable in that area and as you do not talk about melodyne, I don't talk about accent , pronunciation and so on. I don't answer to it, I don't comment on it, I don't make counter arguments. It's no different than you not talking about Melodyne.
no my position as staff wouldn't. because unlike the doubters I don't go around saying this is "fact, evidence, proof" and it's "100% Michael". As I don't have a position that I push on other people, as I realize the difference between a personal opinion and factual proof and more importantly as I'm not trying to, I'm quite unlikely to influence anyone. Doubters on the other hand push their opinions as indisputable facts, show their comparison videos as evidence/proof and they are actively trying to convert people to their side. They are the ones trying to be the influencer. That's the main reason that I bug doubters so much - I seem to be not influenced.
plus my opinion + me being staff shouldn't concern you this much. As far as I know majority of the staff don't believe the songs to be Michael. so you are in a good environment. and I should be free and allowed to have my opinion regardless of what my title might be.
and funnily I'm not the only one that thinks you are on my back, so..
How is anyone on anyone's back? This is a debate, expect to be challenged...expect there to be some drama...and there's always been debates between Ivy and Bumper...what's the problem now?This forum can have some ridiculous rules...
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Ok, a few points :
1-Jason Malachi doesn't have a "camp". He's an amateur musician with a regular day job. He's lucky to have a "manager", who probably also has a day job, or like 300 aspiring musicians in his "stable". So please, stop talking about Jason's "camp" or "representatives" like the guy is freakin' Elton John.
2-Some seem to think it means something that Malachi himself hasn't released a clip to tell the world he's not the singer.
Question A : if he did release such a clip denying involvement, would you all believe him? Of course not. Which is why this point is absolutely moot.
Question B : how in the world is the fact that he is not denying his involvement himself supposed to indicate he might actually be the Cascio singer? If he IS the singer, then he is also, by definition, a con man, a fraud and a criminal. So he would obviously have NO problem making a youtube video and denying his involvement, even if he WAS involved. If Malachi is the singer on the Cascio tracks, then he wouldn't have any deep-deated honesty or fear of lying that would make him hide behind his manager.
Againt, this is classic pseudo-logic. The smallest, most insignificant unexplained detail somehow is meant to overshadow the huge, absolutely certain facts. And no matter what happens, some here will always interpret it in a way that fits their thesis.
For instance : Malachi is silent? Then he's hiding something.
But if he were to produce such a video statement, then you'd say : "He's obviously starting to worry he's being found out; why else would he finally speak after all this time?"
And if he made ANOTHER video : "He's trying to capitalize on his ill-gotten fame. See, this is what was in it for him when he agreed to the conspiracy : he knew he'd get out of hiding after a year or two, when fans have forgotten, and could use his new money and connections to have a real career".
So why did Malachi take his web sites down? Because he was harrassed by MJ fans. Why -- if he is even aware of it -- does he like the fact some of you still -- against all reason -- think he sings 3 songs on an official MJ album? Because he likes the attention, and it's not hurting him in any way, since he had nothing to do with those songs.
Ironically, if he were guilty of fraud, you'd hear a lot more from him, because he'd be fighting lawsuits left and right. The reason he's currently sitting at home, reading this thread and laughing at us is because he has nothing to do with all of this : he's probably never even met Eddie Cascio.
One last note : why would Malachi use a "manager" to speak on his behalf? Because that's what you do when you're an amateur musician but want to project an impression of seriousness and professionalism. Nothing wrong with that : it's a normal trick in the game. Best way to show the media you're a nobody with no talent, no prospect and no released albums is to pick up the phone yourself when they want to talk to you.
1-Jason Malachi doesn't have a "camp". He's an amateur musician with a regular day job. He's lucky to have a "manager", who probably also has a day job, or like 300 aspiring musicians in his "stable". So please, stop talking about Jason's "camp" or "representatives" like the guy is freakin' Elton John.
2-Some seem to think it means something that Malachi himself hasn't released a clip to tell the world he's not the singer.
Question A : if he did release such a clip denying involvement, would you all believe him? Of course not. Which is why this point is absolutely moot.
Question B : how in the world is the fact that he is not denying his involvement himself supposed to indicate he might actually be the Cascio singer? If he IS the singer, then he is also, by definition, a con man, a fraud and a criminal. So he would obviously have NO problem making a youtube video and denying his involvement, even if he WAS involved. If Malachi is the singer on the Cascio tracks, then he wouldn't have any deep-deated honesty or fear of lying that would make him hide behind his manager.
Againt, this is classic pseudo-logic. The smallest, most insignificant unexplained detail somehow is meant to overshadow the huge, absolutely certain facts. And no matter what happens, some here will always interpret it in a way that fits their thesis.
For instance : Malachi is silent? Then he's hiding something.
But if he were to produce such a video statement, then you'd say : "He's obviously starting to worry he's being found out; why else would he finally speak after all this time?"
And if he made ANOTHER video : "He's trying to capitalize on his ill-gotten fame. See, this is what was in it for him when he agreed to the conspiracy : he knew he'd get out of hiding after a year or two, when fans have forgotten, and could use his new money and connections to have a real career".
So why did Malachi take his web sites down? Because he was harrassed by MJ fans. Why -- if he is even aware of it -- does he like the fact some of you still -- against all reason -- think he sings 3 songs on an official MJ album? Because he likes the attention, and it's not hurting him in any way, since he had nothing to do with those songs.
Ironically, if he were guilty of fraud, you'd hear a lot more from him, because he'd be fighting lawsuits left and right. The reason he's currently sitting at home, reading this thread and laughing at us is because he has nothing to do with all of this : he's probably never even met Eddie Cascio.
One last note : why would Malachi use a "manager" to speak on his behalf? Because that's what you do when you're an amateur musician but want to project an impression of seriousness and professionalism. Nothing wrong with that : it's a normal trick in the game. Best way to show the media you're a nobody with no talent, no prospect and no released albums is to pick up the phone yourself when they want to talk to you.
take personal issues to PM isn't a ridiculous rule..