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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^ Good for you
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Okay, and I understand why you feel that way, but I disagree, and I think Privacy is a great song, and I have never thought a Michael Jackson song, chosen by him to be put on an album, is 'terrible'. I know there are people out there who don't like songs he's written, but I'd like to see them write a better one if they think it's so terrible.

I don't think you look too smart when you say something is terrible that obviously isn't. But samhabib thinks the Cascio tracks are terrible, too, and I disagree. I'm just stating my opinion and I hope you're not offended by it, you both seem like great people. Just hope you can enjoy the music one day. :)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
Okay, and I understand why you feel that way, but I disagree, and I think Privacy is a great song, and I have never thought a Michael Jackson song, chosen by him to be put on an album, is 'terrible'. I know there are people out there who don't like songs he's written, but I'd like to see them write a better one.
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That's fine that you think it's a great song...I do have to side with Sam on this one; Privacy is terrible...Just because I'm a fan of Michael Jackson, doesn't mean I have to love every song he's done, and I'm sure he'd want his fans to judge the songs accordingly...

And, write a better one? No, I'll leave the songwriting to the master...

We'll just agree to disagree, that's all...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^ I admit, the camera noises are annoying to me, but I think that's the point. :D

"'cause your cameras cant control the minds of those who know THAT YOU'D EVEN SELL YOUR SOUL JUST TO GET A STORY SOLD, I need my privacyyyy"

How is that terrible? Haha
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
^ I admit, the camera noises are annoying to me, but I think that's the point. :D

"'cause your cameras cant control the minds of those who know THAT YOU'D EVEN SELL YOUR SOUL JUST TO GET A STORY SOLD, I need my privacyyyy"

How is that terrible? Haha
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I just think the song is terrible as a whole...The melody is terrible...I think the lyrics are fine, just the lack of melody..

But, we're off track now, this thread isn't about 'Privacy' :D
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Very true, sorry! I derailed a bit but had to shout out my love for Privacy and MJ the King! Woo woo! :D

Back to the topic now, Jason Malachi sang the tracks. No, Michael did. Okay we're back on track.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Arklove said:
He loses credibility because it's his opinion that Privacy is a terrible song? It what alternate world does that make sense?
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How hypocritical is that? You're defending the same person who made a similar statement regarding credibility when I said BAD and Jam weren't political songs.

Yet, this statement of yours wasn't made then....Funny.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
How hypocritical is that? You're defending the same person who made a similar statement regarding credibility when I said BAD and Jam weren't political songs.

Yet, this statement of yours wasn't made then....Funny.
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But Bad and Jam ARE political songs...Its right in the lyrics...

I'm talking about an opinion...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

samhabib said:
What a completely stupid thing to say. From a fan who had no faith in their own hearing. Who claimed they would admit they were wrong if the update was provably legitimate.

The vocals, tracks and lyrics are abysmal. Regardless of who sang, recorded or wrote them. You keep promoting the 'fact' that Michael Jackson sang 'mama say mama got you in a zig zag', two years after being acquitted of a trial in which he faced the prospect of jail all you want. But save the role of 'devil's advocate' for someone without a bias.

The vocals are identical to Jason Malachi's. Only an idiot would expect him to admit it was him when pushed. So don't think his denial isn't to be expected.

And I wait to see the mods act upon you, again, abusing fans, this time referring to them as 'stupid'. Let's see what they do.
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The thing is though, I've always had faith in my own hearing, nowhere, NOWHERE did I claim Michael Jackson didn't sing these songs. What I said was, they did sound different, and if it turned out that they weren't him, I'd be willing to accept it. How do I not trust my own ears when every leaked song I'd say, "I believe it's Michael", even with the recent leak, I never said "This isn't Michael", I said "I'm not denying this is Michael, but I don't know why they butchered his voice like this".


Yet I don't have faith in my own hearing? No, I can just hear when music has been digitally tampered with. So please, this is the third time I'm asking you this, please stop attempting to put words in my mouth.


The vocals are NOT identical, and yes I did use the term idiotic in reference to the thought process that benefits this theory. I also said take it how you want it, I'm open to a warning, because it may have been a little disrespectful. But it's you, yourself, and others that are portraying that type of thing, and I won't change what I said for you or anyone else, because it's genuinely how I feel after watching you and many others continue this thing, after your best lead, the best chance you had at proving anything, has finally denied his participation into this album.


A little over a week ago, a twitter page was posted where someone claiming to be Jason, stated, "It's not me". The page was proven to be false by other members of this forum, now when you get real statement, and the guy finally says what you've waited to hear, he's lying, he's covering his ass? C'mon now, there comes a point where enough is enough.


Arklove said:
But Bad and Jam ARE political songs...Its right in the lyrics...

I'm talking about an opinion...
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A "political song" is a matter of opinion, since political is in reference to the government and it's policy. BAD doesn't reference the government and it's policy, its an uplift type of song. But you can say it's political, despite the mention of any government group or anything in the song. It's a matter of preference.

Not a fact, therefore the same thing applies.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I agree with you, AnnieRUOkay89, and have been trusting my ears, too, and I don't hear the 'identical' vocals with Jason, I actually think he sounds weaker than the Cascio tracks and his vibrato isn't the same or as long.

I agree, something is off with the Cascio tracks, but I still think it's Michael, and I believe Malachi when he says it isn't him.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Privacy IS awful.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

loka said:
"Superfly Sister" is worst...
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:D Did you try to dance to it? Serious, SS is a terrific good dance number!!!!!
OK dancing back to topic now ;)
 
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Garden said:
:D Did you try to dance to it? Serious, SS is a terrific good dance number!!!!!
OK dancing back to topic now ;)
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and "if you don't love me" is the worst of the worsts.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
How hypocritical is that? You're defending the same person who made a similar statement regarding credibility when I said BAD and Jam weren't political songs.

Yet, this statement of yours wasn't made then....Funny.
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Again a completely ridiculous point. Comparing an opinion with a fact. Anyone who claims that 'Jam' is not political, doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Anyone who can say, with a straight face, that the following lyrics aren't political, needs to get a dictionary:

"Nation To Nation
All The World
Must Come Together
Face The Problems
That We See
Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out
I Asked My Neighbor
For A Favor
She Said Later
What Has Come Of
All The People
Have We Lost Love
Of What It's About"

Not political? Really? "Nation to nation, all the world must come together" is NOT political? Absolutely pathetic. And a complete corruption of Michael Jackson's art.

Absolute nothing could be more political.
 
samhabib;3197949 said:
Again a completely ridiculous point. Comparing an opinion with a fact. Anyone who claims that 'Jam' is not political, doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Anyone who can say, with a straight face, that the following lyrics aren't political, needs to get a dictionary:

"Nation To Nation
All The World
Must Come Together
Face The Problems
That We See
Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out
I Asked My Neighbor
For A Favor
She Said Later
What Has Come Of
All The People
Have We Lost Love
Of What It's About"

Not political? Really? "Nation to nation, all the world must come together" is NOT political? Absolutely pathetic. And a complete corruption of Michael Jackson's art.

Absolute nothing could be more political.
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Depend on what you call Politic...

Was Gandhi, MLK, Mother theresa, l'abbé Pierre (french bienfaiteur) Politics ?

i believe they were.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

loka said:
"Superfly Sister" is worst...
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Nah, I quite like Superfly Sister. I dig the retro feel of it and the funky guitar.... and MJ's ad-libbing is ferocious... "you're dirty, you're nasty, you're doin' it."
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
The thing is though, I've always had faith in my own hearing, nowhere, NOWHERE did I claim Michael Jackson didn't sing these songs. What I said was, they did sound different, and if it turned out that they weren't him, I'd be willing to accept it. How do I not trust my own ears when every leaked song I'd say, "I believe it's Michael", even with the recent leak, I never said "This isn't Michael", I said "I'm not denying this is Michael, but I don't know why they butchered his voice like this".*


The vocals are NOT identical, and yes I did use the term idiotic in reference to the thought process that benefits this theory. I also said take it how you want it, I'm open to a warning, because it may have been a little disrespectful. But it's you, yourself, and others that are portraying that type of thing, and I won't change what I said for you or anyone else, because it's genuinely how I feel after watching you and many others continue this thing, after your best lead, the best chance you had at proving anything, has finally denied his participation into this album.


A little over a week ago, a twitter page was posted where someone claiming to be Jason, stated, "It's not me". The page was proven to be false by other members of this forum, now when you get real statement, and the guy finally says what you've waited to hear, he's lying, he's covering his ass? C'mon now, there comes a point where enough is enough.





A "political song" is a matter of opinion, since political is in reference to the government and it's policy. BAD doesn't reference the government and it's policy, its an uplift type of song. But you can say it's political, despite the mention of any government group or anything in the song. It's a matter of preference.*

Not a fact, therefore the same thing applies.
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The vocals are identical to anyone with a functioning set of ears and an ounce of honesty.

As for 'political' being a matter of preference, here, for your benefit, is the definition of the word 'political':

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of government, politics, or the state.

In other words, when someone sings 'nation to nation all the world must come together' they are passing comment on the politics of nations. Very simple.

And when a man sings 'We can change the world tomorrow, this could be a better place' he is passing comment on the politics of the world. Very simple.

Anyone claiming otherwise should develop a better understanding of the word 'political' and should have more respect for Michael Jackson, the lyricist. But if you believe he's capable of writing such bilge as 'mama say mama got you in a zig zag' then I don't expect anything else.
 
loka;3197972 said:
Depend on what you call Politic...

Was Gandhi, MLK, Mother theresa, l'abbé Pierre (french bienfaiteur) Politics ?

i believe they were.
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What does that even mean? In what context does this even apply to what I wrote?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

samhabib said:
What does that even mean? In what context does this even apply to what I wrote?
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so you even didn't understand your own post...

PS : My Post was supporting your Post lol...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

MattyJam said:
Privacy IS awful.
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I know that the thread is really getting off topic now but i agree


Also i'll never understand why so many fans say that The Lost Children is the worst song on Invincible. Privacy makes The Lost Children sound like Who Is It

But each to their own
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

analogue said:
I know that the thread is really getting off topic now but i agree


Also i'll never understand why so many fans say that The Lost Children is the worst song on Invincible. Privacy makes The Lost Children sound like Who Is It

But each to their own
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I love The Lost Children.

It's honest, charming and full of heart.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Lost Children is an anthemn
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I see things are getting heated again. I have to agree; Invincible is my favourite album, but Privacy is not good IMO, by far the weakest track on there. I can't actually think of a track I like less. On the other hand, Superfly Sister is awesome.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Keep on topic guys if you will. :)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Sorry. *looks guilty and whistles*
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

It is pointless to discuss which is the best which is the worst track. It is extremely subjective. I am sure that on any MJ's album you will always find someone who will have a different best song or a different worst song. It is as pointless as debating which is the best movie in the world.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

The compared vocals aren't identical. 100% fact. Know why? Because you're comparing two completely different vocals. :D

The Jason Malachi vocals sound younger, less dynamic, and his breath is shorter.

Jackson's takes on the Cascio tracks show lots of different dynamics that Malachi would never think of. He uses his voice in obvious signature ways.

Go listen to Malachi music. In my opinion, none of his tracks even compare to the Cascio tracks in melody, lyrics, attitude, etc.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
It is pointless to discuss which is the best which is the worst track. It is extremely subjective. I am sure that on any MJ's album you will always find someone who will have a different best song or a different worst song. It is as pointless as debating which is the best movie in the world.
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Pointless? It's not supposed to be a debate! It's just people giving their opinions. That's what a discussion board is for! :)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Aniram said:
The compared vocals aren't identical. 100% fact. Know why? Because you're comparing two completely different vocals. :D

The Jason Malachi vocals sound younger, less dynamic, and his breath is shorter.

Jackson's takes on the Cascio tracks show lots of different dynamics that Malachi would never think of. He uses his voice in obvious signature ways.

Go listen to Malachi music. In my opinion, none of his tracks even compare to the Cascio tracks in melody, lyrics, attitude, etc.
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We're sooooooooo hearing different things. Jason Malachi had crap production before and so did the casico tracks, until Teddy Riley got a hold of them....THATS the difference in the sound. The vocals are just as boring and lifeless on the casico tracks, ESPECIALLY compared to real Michael Jackson songs. Listen to Blue Gangsta.... That song is years beyond any of the casico tracks musically and vocals. YOu would be saying the same if Mj actually sang those songs and you played them
Back to back with the mystery vocalist on the three casico tracks.
 
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