Michael - The Great Album Debate

[love is magical]

^^ Ivy, I'm gonna hide your hat one of these days lol

BTW, is it a fedora?

naughty girl.... ahem... mike, you can leave your hat on.. :naughty: :heat:

 

[Arklove]

naughty girl.... ahem... mike, you can leave your hat on.. :naughty: :heat:

Best story I ever wrote. Hands down :naughty:

 

[love is magical]

My point is that the suspicion was introduced - I'm not saying it shaped your opinion. I personally admit that I knew RF's stories and listened to the song as is it or isn't it Michael? Did you? I'm not saying you or anyone is brainwashed or simply repeating what Jacksons said. My whole argument is could the songs have been received differently if such suspicion wasn't introduced.

Looking back, I can say, with a hand over my heart, that I looked forward to Breaking News with no doubt in my mind whatsoever. I guess I'm even more trusting than you did. I wrote off the 3T tweets. I trusted Teddy Riley (he used to have a special place in my heart because of his works with Michael on Dangerous. and it was before all his MJ is alive tweets).

11:59 am, there I was, smiling from ear to ear, hitting F5 every second, okay, the song premiered. Listened to the first verse, something was not right. Didn't know how to make out of it... After listening to the whole song, I felt confused. Confused and frustrated. I still didn't consider the 3T tweets. I still hoped it was just a publicity stunt. I was naive enough to think the album version will sound closer to Michael Jackson. So, I didn't listen to the song with a mentality that the song may be fake. I listened with a 100% conviction that I was going to hear a brand new Michael Jackson song.

FYI you didn't agree with Joe Jackson's claims about body double but do you know that there are people that believe / think that there was body doubles in TII, in TII announcement?

I know. I actually am aware about the TINI campaign. But, do people believe there was body-double in TII purely becasue of Joe's claims? This is a painful topic. But, there are many people who cannot accept Michael's passing. Many people feel the need to find a culprit, in additional to Conrad Murray. Threre indeed conspiracy theorists who believed AEG worked Michael to death. And, the theory about Michael being too sick to attend the rehearsals and body-double was hired fit into their agenda.

Joe Jackson doesn't really have any credibility. Actually, none of the Jackson family member fits into the convincing talker category. So, I don't know whether to laugh or to cry when people suggest that we are brainwashed the family.

No offense to you or anyone who believe the tracks are genuine. But, isn't it more likely people are led by people with authority and better career standing (Sony and the Estate)?

and that's my point actually. When I looked to the soldier boy example I saw that Cascio songs are received more positively when people didn't have the outside effect. It dramatically changed when it became a public thing. and if the evaluations was indeed objective I would have expected to see "nice good catchy song but still doesn't sound like Michael" for example. and I'm curious about how much of "you don't like it" is that you don't like it because it's really a bad song or you don't like it because it's a Cascio song?

Well. You have to keep in mind I only listened to the complete Soldier Boy only once. So, I didn't even give the song an opportunity to grow on me.

Musical taste is very subjective. I'm not into catchy song. For example, I do not like any one of Lady Gaga's hits (They played Edge of Glory non-stop here in NY/NJ. Heard it like three times the past weekend. I almost asked my manicurist to turn off the radio when the song was on. I got sick of it.) So, for me, catchy is not the same as nice. To me, the voice and the tone of the vocalist are very important. Vocal harmony is important. Instrumentation that layers well is important.

I don't feel Soldier Boy. The tone of vocal lacks richness and clarity. It sounds "thin" and "forced". For a song that is supposed to work like TDCAU, the vocals do not have any grit or aggressiveness. I don't like the guitar solo. There is a part in the song that sounds almost like a glitch to me. The arrangement of the song is awkward. Thre is no progression. Michael Jackson's songs are very theatrical. He took us to a climax, let us bathe in the moonlight, then took us back to earth. There is no such journey in Soldier Boy. When I listen to songs from other artist, I seek similar experience. I want to be carried away.

So, Soldier Boy is just like many other songs that I've listened and don't bother giving it a chance again. You know there are songs that you don't care for first, but for some reasons, you will listen to them again. There are songs you just don't bother. I never bother with Soldier Boy again. As a matter of fact, I didn't even bother saving it.

Have I let the Cascio label affect my evalation? May be. I honestly don't know.

Now, could you share we you see in Soldier Boy, vocal authenticity issue aside?

You know what . I wish that we had a Cascio song that no one knew that it was a Cascio song and it leaked. I wonder what the reactions would be? That would have been one hell of an experiment.

I agree. It would be a good experiment.

take your time. I have check the lawsuits to see if there are any developments

Are you in law school now? :scratch:

 

[ivy]

Are you in law school now? :scratch:

nah I was just talking about the lawsuits that the estate is a party. I check them to see if there are any new filings etc. that's all.

as for the rest like I said it was just a realization that came to me this morning after seeing some posts at Max Jax. I wasn't trying to generalize it to everyone. I wrote it before I believe Pentum's knowledge in regards to Malachi. I'll take any one of you's word about how you formed your opinion. However it was also obvious that there were some people that had no idea about Malachi and was convinced that it was Malachi due to posts and comparisons. and it made me wonder if this event, the reactions would be different if we didn't have such outside factors , that's all.

 

[love is magical]

nah I was just talking about the lawsuits that the estate is a party. I check them to see if there are any new filings etc. that's all.

as for the rest like I said it was just a realization that came to me this morning after seeing some posts at Max Jax. I wasn't trying to generalize it to everyone. I wrote it before I believe Pentum's knowledge in regards to Malachi. I'll take any one of you's word about how you formed your opinion. However it was also obvious that there were some people that had no idea about Malachi and was convinced that it was Malachi due to posts and comparisons. and it made me wonder if this event, the reactions would be different if we didn't have such outside factors , that's all.

I hear you. I actually agree with you that people can be affected by outside factors, such as peer pressure. I also would love to see a Cascio song that no one has any idea about being leaked (before Sony takes any action, heehee....) and see how people react to it.

 

[Aniram]

I agree. It would be a good experiment.

It would be instantly realized that it's the Cascio vocalist, I think.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

From what I can hear, I have impression that "SOLDIER BOY" is half processed. Can anyone confirm this info? I need to know this before doing the analysis which I'll share as soon as I can.

 

[SoCav]

nah I was just talking about the lawsuits that the estate is a party. I check them to see if there are any new filings etc. that's all.

as for the rest like I said it was just a realization that came to me this morning after seeing some posts at Max Jax. I wasn't trying to generalize it to everyone. I wrote it before I believe Pentum's knowledge in regards to Malachi. I'll take any one of you's word about how you formed your opinion. However it was also obvious that there were some people that had no idea about Malachi and was convinced that it was Malachi due to posts and comparisons. and it made me wonder if this event, the reactions would be different if we didn't have such outside factors , that's all.

True, all of us take the opinions of others into account at varying degrees, whether we do it consciously or not. It's just human nature. I am reminded of this when I see that there are surprisingly many people who feel that Michael is not singing on Hollywood Tonight, or, in some extreme cases, any song on the ´Michael´ album.

I'm sure that some people heavily relied on what others had to say about Jason Malachi when they formed their opinion, or on the family's statements before Breaking News was streamed. But personally I was most surprised by the apparent persuasiveness of the Estate's statement. Many people who doubted that it was Michael before changed their opinion based on this statement, which I honestly feel was quite weak in the sense that it presented no real evidence. Although it did not come as a surprise, it was interesting to see how many people now appeared to hear MJ on the tracks. I could not help but think of the literature on authority in the context of social influence..

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

True, all of us take the opinions of others into account at varying degrees, whether we do it consciously or not. It's just human nature. I am reminded of this when I see that there are surprisingly many people who feel that Michael is not singing on Hollywood Tonight, or, in some extreme cases, any song on the ´Michael´ album.

I'm sure that some people heavily relied on what others had to say about Jason Malachi when they formed their opinion, or on the family's statements before Breaking News was streamed. But personally I was most surprised by the apparent persuasiveness of the Estate's statement. Many people who doubted that it was Michael before changed their opinion based on this statement, which I honestly feel was quite weak in the sense that it presented no real evidence. Although it did not come as a surprise, it was interesting to see how many people now appeared to hear MJ on the tracks. I could not help but think of the literature on authority in the context of social influence..

The last part of this post indicates that Ivy's argument of Pavlov's dog could not be used only against doubters, but also against believers.

The Estate's report without any detail regarding the analysis appears and all of sudden people hear MJ. I mean, even without that report, the sole fact that SONY labeled it as an MJ album equals to Pavlov's dog and introduce the idea as the fact that they MUST hear MJ on those tracks, since it's official.

 

[ivy]

True, all of us take the opinions of others into account at varying degrees, whether we do it consciously or not. It's just human nature. I am reminded of this when I see that there are surprisingly many people who feel that Michael is not singing on Hollywood Tonight, or, in some extreme cases, any song on the ´Michael´ album.

I'm sure that some people heavily relied on what others had to say about Jason Malachi when they formed their opinion, or on the family's statements before Breaking News was streamed. But personally I was most surprised by the apparent persuasiveness of the Estate's statement. Many people who doubted that it was Michael before changed their opinion based on this statement, which I honestly feel was quite weak in the sense that it presented no real evidence. Although it did not come as a surprise, it was interesting to see how many people now appeared to hear MJ on the tracks. I could not help but think of the literature on authority in the context of social influence..

The last part of this post indicates that Ivy's argument of Pavlov's dog could not be used only against doubters, but also against believers.

The Estate's report without any detail regarding the analysis appears and all of sudden people hear MJ. I mean, even without that report, the sole fact that SONY labeled it as an MJ album equals to Pavlov's dog and introduce the idea as the fact that they MUST hear MJ on those tracks, since it's official.

The thing with this issue is that everything goes both ways and you can almost always find a counter argument. Like I said no one is objective and no one is immune to outside factors. It's human nature.

The convincing part of the Estate statement comes from it actually lists the evidence - even though they might not show it. Jacksons argument was they don't hear their uncle. Estate gave a road map of how they determined it was Miichael. Although Bumper probably would argue that they didn't show the things they listed on the statement therefore they have none, I think if needed they would be able to back that up.

 

[wolfrevenant]

Ok, I see what you're saying...I saw those posts too...I understand

Get your mind out of the legal gutter, Ivy lol

For the record, I never thought the comparisons would hold up in a court of law

It is probably true that comparison clips would not hold in court. But I do wonder, if these clips were to be analysed by vocal experts or forensic musicologists, thus, generating that of an "expert opinion" from these comparisons, can they (or the expert opinions) be credible in that sense?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

@Ivy

You suggested to hear a new track without mentioning it as the Cascio one in order to see people's reaction.

How about releasing an unheard track of JM and label it as a Cascio MJ track in order to see people's reaction?

 

[ivy]

@Ivy

You suggested to hear a new track without mentioning it as the Cascio one in order to see people's reaction.

How about releasing an unheard track of JM and label it as a Cascio MJ track in order to see people's reaction?

"cascio tracks" already have an attached negative meaning to them so it won't be received positively. and my point was that nothing that comes as "cascio track" is evaluated anymore.

so we'll need a "cascio track" without any information about it to see if it is perceived more positively and even legit

or a legit MJ track being introduced as a Cascio track to see if it will be received negatively and fake

however I don't think it's possible anymore as the song names are already known

 

[love is magical]

"cascio tracks" already have an attached negative meaning to them so it won't be received positively. and my point was that nothing that comes as "cascio track" is evaluated anymore.

so we'll need a "cascio track" without any information about it to see if it is perceived more positively and even legit

or a legit MJ track being introduced as a Cascio track to see if it will be received negatively and fake

however I don't think it's possible anymore as the song names are already known

True. Unless, there is a 13th Cascio tracks that no one knows about.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

"cascio tracks" already have an attached negative meaning to them so it won't be received positively. and my point was that nothing that comes as "cascio track" is evaluated anymore.

Not true, I am still struggling to understand what happened to the vocals. I still haven't had any tangible answers. In the meantime I'm trying to analyze them as much as I can professionally speaking. Not as a sound engineer, but as a language/frequency expert. The language frequency cannot be ignored as I clearly hear them. Due to what? That's another question and out of my expertise, but at least I can point them out.

I'll re-do the analysis from the scratch and from a different angle.

 

[ivy]

let me add this to be clear

I was talking about giving people "an alleged fake as a legit song" or "a legit song as an alleged fake" and to see if they can correctly identify the song as legit /fake regardless of how they were presented.

bumper's example is giving a fake as an alleged fake which would result in a fake

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

let me add this to be clear

I was talking about giving people "an alleged fake as a legit song" or "a legit song as an alleged fake" and to see if they can correctly identify the song as legit /fake regardless of how they were presented.

bumper's example is giving a fake as an alleged fake which would result in a fake

Among doubters yes, among believers we don't know, we haven't tried.

 

[Arklove]

It is probably true that comparison clips would not hold in court. But I do wonder, if these clips were to be analysed by vocal experts or forensic musicologists, thus, generating that of an "expert opinion" from these comparisons, can they (or the expert opinions) be credible in that sense?

...As I said, the comparisons alone aren't good enough (for us they are lol) but, yeah, backed up by an expert opinion, would surely have more weight, no? The comparisons can't be completely useless, can they?

 

[Kapital77]

Why you, Ivy, Pompous, Korgnex, never supported any of the theories from Bumper/Pentum and the rest of the fans who thinks it´s not MJ?.

Why?.

Please, i don´t want to say more and i will return to not say more about this matter, but please, please, what the hell it´s happening here?.

 

[ivy]

Why you, Ivy, Pompous, Korgnex, never supported any of the theories from Bumper/Pentum and the rest of the fans who thinks it´s not MJ?.

Why?.

Please, i don´t want to say more and i will return to not say more about this matter, but please, please, what the hell it´s happening here?.

It's called difference of opinions. As it can be seen obviously we mainly agree about legal, technical etc facts. For example when I say a forensic musicologist report is based on predetermined methods and therefore objective they agree. When Bumper points out no test is perfect and that there could be mistakes I agree.

The rest basically comes to what we hear or not. that's something that none of us agree with the other one and each argument is presented by a counter argument.

 

[Aniram]

I think you just have to simply listen to a Jason Malachi song and it's instantly like "Hey wait a second... "

 

[KingMikeJ]

Michael isn't here to sing these songs live to prove to us it is him. I would love to see Jason Malachi post a YouTube video of him singing the Cascio tracks. It would prove to us that it either is or isn't him on the songs.

That wouldn't prove that it is Michael but it would rule out the main contender, Jason.

 

[Aniram]

KingMikeJ, that'd be very nice, but I think it'd prove that Jason sang these songs. To me his voice is identical to the Cascio voice.

 

[KingMikeJ]

^That's why I'd love to see/hear it.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

an edited version is being compared. the regular version which only had one effect and totally Michael's own doing/change doesn't sound "similar" to vast majority of Michael's other songs.

I hope my point about 2000 watts is clear. Although it doesn't sound like most of michael jackson songs , although it can't be normally compared to Michael Jackson songs it doesn't mean that it's not Michael.

I see what you mean. But 2000 Watts, which has been brought by many as an example of how MJ sounded differently doesn't answer the question regarding some Cascio songs where the singer doesn't sound deep or over-processed. On the contrary, the voice on some part of the Cascio tracks is quite clear, actually crystal clear. If you take "All I Need" for example, why wouldn't be possible to compare it with songs such as Lady In My Life, Someone in the dark, Scared of the moon, or other balads? By the way, 2000 Watts is one and only song that is what I would qualify odd regarding MJ's singing habits. But 12 songs becomes a bit hard to swallow.

why would we pitch them? the issue would be if we knew to undo any processing that has been done but we don't have that information.

The question is why would you process the songs to such a degree and be unable to un-process? 2000 Watts is at least unprocessable and can easily be demonstrated by simply pitching up Mike's voice. But when I hear, for example, 'Soldier Boy', a creepy idea comes across my mind. The version of 'Soldier Boy' we've heard leads me to believe that the processing hasn't been finished yet. I'll explain later why I believe so and I'll point it out where exactly in the song.

I didn't ask for an opinion or a result just based on ears. the report that you post said they "listened" to the song. I need more than that to classify something as objective. I need a forensic musicologist to run some test based on predetermined methods. I need an expert producer to tell me what can be and can't be done.

I agree with you that in order to prove something you need more solid grounds than simple impressions.

However, isn't it already alarming that an independent music studio can't recognize MJ's vocals? I mean, at the end of the day, it is not important how the vocals have been processed, but the results of it and what is that the end user hears. The results were meant to bring MJ's voice to those songs and to be heard and listened to by the worldwide audience. That is important. Yet, an independent music company unable to recognize MJ's voice states it publicly without fear to be ridiculed or questioned simply by listening to the song. It isn't flattering for Michael (if it were him), is it?

can I say Pavlov's dogs?

Well, you can say that. But you know very well that that argument could be used both ways. I already gace some examples.

again I totally believe that you might have independent opinion. I believe in Pentum's knowledge in regards to Malachi. I'm simply saying that not everyone had that independent process.

Like you? (just kidding :rofl: )

Well, I agree that some people can easily be influenced.

As far as I am concerned, I question my supposed influence. I mean, if I've been influenced, I know one thing, it is purely of auditive origine, not of the argumentative one. Indeed, anyone can say whatever they want, I wouldn't actually care so stubborn I am. Even if Mike came to me and said "it's me", I'd say to him "look, it's not you man". By that I mean, whatever you say, I still hear another voice. And as I hear another voice while the official side tells me it IS MJ, I need to understand why I hear another voice. That's also why I was asking the believers to indicate me which parts of the Cascio songs I should compare to which parts of other MJ's songs. It is wrongly assumed that believers made the audio comparisons for themselves. They (we) didn't need them. We only wanted to show what we hear by putting side aside some vocals and exhibit it as a concrete example.

I was never afraid of the truth and if what I believe is wrong, I want to be proved so. Likewise, as what I believe is right, then automatically I am absolutely not afraid to question it, why should I if I am right?

let me give you an example. in the academia for example when we survey people we make sure that we do not have "leading" questions. for example you ask "what is the best car in the market?" and you don't ask "do you agree that porche is the best car in the market?". In the first question while it's open ended and the person may or might not say porche, in the second question the researcher not only reminds them of porche but presents the person with the idea that Porche is a good car.

I see what you mean. The thing is, among doubters, some people who knew Malachi immediately thought of him without being suggested by anyone else.

People who didn't know Malachi could hear some problems, without being able to nail the problem, and when they heard Malachi, assumed they nailed the problem by hearing him.

And the third category of people have probably been led to believe it is Malachi. But we certainly can't put all th edoubters in the same basket, as all three categories heard something was wrong with the vocals.

now let me tell you another thing. 2+ months ago when I talked with Birchey before any leaks etc he had told me that soldier boy was his favorite and how he loved the song and how he couldn't believe it didn't make the cut to be released. I talked with 2 other people that had nothing but good things to say about soldier boy. These people were the few that listened to the song without any effect of anyone and had formed an independent opinion.

I remember and I was eager to hear it.

Then the song leaked and the it was immediately classified as a terrible song in many aspects. Why was this difference? Andt it got me to thinking. At this moment 1) are people really evaluating the songs anymore? 2) are their opinions even independent? or 3)anything that comes with "Cascio" name attached automatically seen as "terrible" and "fake"?

Many things go through people's mind. But, I can only speak in my name. When I heard SB for the first time, I just didn't hear MJ's voice. If there is one part where I may believe to hear MJ's voice on SB is the blatantly pasted (or processed/unprocessed?) part when he says "then his life becomes serious" (but even that, I have hard time with it; if it's a soundalike, he did a good job there).

The "stabbed in the back as a matter of fact", when I heard it for the first time, set aside the horrible vocals singing it, I just couldn't help but laugh. It was automatic. I surely hadn't expected to hear such a line. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's a Cascio song or not. For my part, I don't care where it comes from. As I said earlier, even if I may be opiniated, I certainly can't lie myself. I can't hear MJ. Why?

that's a separate thing IMO like I said before. fraud / fake vocals is one thing. over processed to the point of not sounding like him is another.

The question remain nevertheless, why does the end user suffers from doubt when hearing them?

a little

And now?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

question to bumper and his wife. did you hear Roger Friedman stories about the controversy about the songs? see the previous discussion on the forum etc before breaking news streamed? or nothing at all.

Let me tell you that in Belgium they would ask you Roger who? We don't have a clue how Roger Friedman (un)reliable is, and above all, who he is.
So, no I didn't show any particular interest in what Roger Friedman reported. I was browsing all the available news on the forthcoming album, and was quite active only in that forum. But, at that time I attracted many enemies, as basically I was posting ironic posts while people were litterally biting and eating their nails and demanding to hang SmoothCriminal because of his reports from his inside sources (his uncle at SONY). Love is Magical can confirm this, she was stalking me. First because she hated me for my posts, after because she laughed as she understood that I was purely being sarcastic without any negative agenda. And that was it.

When Breaking News was streamed, I was supposed to be happy but then not. So I came back to the forum to share my unfortunately negative impression about the song regarding the vocals.

As far as my wife is concerned, she likes MJ, but she's not a fan like me. However, in our 12 years of common life and my daily listening to MJ, she quite knows his voice, as she also has a musical ear (she can read music, sing and play the piano).
As I don't want to bother her with the controversy I come to the forum to speak about it with people who are interested in following this kind of conversation like you and me.
She still doesn't know who Malachi or the Cascios are and has never heard of them. But when I happen to play a song of Malachi in order to put side aside with a Cascio snippet, she claims to hear the same voice. But certainly not Michael's.

Out of curiosity I just played her the snippet with Barry Gibb without saying or asking anything else but simply to listen to it. When she heard MJ's part she immediately without slightest doubt said "it is MJ, is it a new song?"

My question remains, how come that when we hear a MJ song there is never a doubt?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Why you, Ivy, Pompous, Korgnex, never supported any of the theories from Bumper/Pentum and the rest of the fans who thinks it´s not MJ?.

Why?.

Please, i don´t want to say more and i will return to not say more about this matter, but please, please, what the hell it´s happening here?.

Hi Kapital, even if Ivy and Korgnex share some of the views, I have talked to them enough to know that they have completely different personalities.

If you want my 0.02 cents, Ivy might sound opiniated, but she simply sticks to what sounds legally logical to her. As far as the tracks are concerned, she never actually expressed a 200% opinion based only on her ears. She's quite careful and reserved I have impression. But that's only my own impression.

As far as Korgnex is concerned, he seems to be a nice and sincere guy. For the moment he's also sticking to what seems logical based on the reports by the Estate. A report that is extremely important actually.

I'd say that the Estate's report is more powerful than SONY's claims. If ever we bring up a case against the Cascio songs, I'd avoid to sue SONY. I'd directly knock on the Estate's doors and ask them some questions.

It's called difference of opinions. As it can be seen obviously we mainly agree about legal, technical etc facts. For example when I say a forensic musicologist report is based on predetermined methods and therefore objective they agree. When Bumper points out no test is perfect and that there could be mistakes I agree.

The rest basically comes to what we hear or not. that's something that none of us agree with the other one and each argument is presented by a counter argument.

@Ivy,

I think what Kapital meant is why, instead of uniting our forces and knowledge against those who split the community we are wasting our energy on counter-arguing without results.

 

[love is magical]

Let me tell you that in Belgium they would ask you Roger who? We don't have a clue how Roger Friedman (un)reliable is, and above all, who he is.
So, no I didn't show any particular interest in what Roger Friedman reported. I was browsing all the available news on the forthcoming album, and was quite active only in that forum. But, at that time I attracted many enemies, as basically I was posting ironic posts while people were litterally biting and eating their nails and demanding to hang SmoothCriminal because of his reports from his inside sources (his uncle at SONY). Love is Magical can confirm this, she was stalking me. First because she hated me for my posts, after because she laughed as she understood that I was purely being sarcastic without any negative agenda. And that was it.

When Breaking News was streamed, I was supposed to be happy but then not. So I came back to the forum to share my unfortunately negative impression about the song regarding the vocals.

As far as my wife is concerned, she likes MJ, but she's not a fan like me. However, in our 12 years of common life and my daily listening to MJ, she quite knows his voice, as she also has a musical ear (she can read music, sing and play the piano).
As I don't want to bother her with the controversy I come to the forum to speak about it with people who are interested in following this kind of conversation like you and me.
She still doesn't know who Malachi or the Cascios are and has never heard of them. But when I happen to play a song of Malachi in order to put side aside with a Cascio snippet, she claims to hear the same voice. But certainly not Michael's.

Out of curiosity I just played her the snippet with Barry Gibb without saying or asking anything else but simply to listen to it. When she heard MJ's part she immediately without slightest doubt said "it is MJ, is it a new song?"

My question remains, how come that when we hear a MJ song there is never a doubt?

Omg... I thought you forgot how we started. :lmao:

At first, I hated Bumper and thought he's just a trouble-maker who's sole purpose was to rain in people's parade. I think I may have exchanged a few heated posts with him... Lol... :cheeky:

Back in the new album thread, most of us were like children waiting for Christmas presents. We worshiped SC 05, cheered when he gave us updates, and trashed him when his info turned false. The new album thread, at times, was even more heated than this thread.... For people who think they cannot deal wih the heat here, may I say "you ain't see nothing yet." Gee... the good old days....

Bumper posted sometimes, but not as active as he is now. Mostly, he just made fun of people like me. He kept distance and didn't believe anything from SC 05. I highly doubt he was aware of the 3T tweets prior to breaking news.

 

[love is magical]

@Ivy,

I think what Kapital meant is why, instead of uniting our forces and knowledge against those who split the community we are wasting our energy on counter-arguing without results.

Poor Bumper, don't feel the love. Ivy is ignoring you. She's too busy studying the details of Behind The Mask video. :lol:

 

[Arklove]

Omg... I thought you forgot how we started. :lmao:

At first, I hated Bumper and thought he's just a trouble-maker who's sole purpose was to rain in people's parade. I think I may have exchanged a few heated posts with him... Lol... :cheeky:

Back in the new album thread, most of us were like children waiting for Christmas presents. We worshiped SC 05, cheered when he gave us updates, and trashed him when his info turned false. The new album thread, at times, was even more heated than this thread.... For people who think they cannot deal wih the heat here, may I say "you ain't see nothing yet." Gee... the good old days....

Bumper posted sometimes, but not as active as he is now. Mostly, he just made fun of people like me. He kept distance and didn't believe anything from SC 05. I highly doubt he was aware of the 3T tweets prior to breaking news.

:lmao: I remember all that now! I remember Bumper's posts and they always made me laugh...At the time, I didn't know what your problem was with him :rofl: I didn't post a lot in that thread, I was mostly lurking and checking back everyday for news and an announcement...

I heard about the tweets, but never thought anything of them..I didn't know the details of them, and when I heard them saying the songs were fake, I was like, 'uh, yeah, ok...right....' and totally brushed them off....I never thought about it again...Even when I first heard Breaking News, I STILL hadn't thought of the tweets, I totally forgot about them, as I was just concentrating on the song and the voice I DIDN'T hear

Remember when all we had to worry about was when the announcement was coming? :sigh: