Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Use this. You only need to replace every "(" with "[" and every ")" with "]"

(url=http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/99883-Michael-The-Great-Album-Debate-%28Only-Go-Here-if-You-Want-To-Continue-The-Controversy%29?p=3368862&viewfull=1#post3368862)Click here for comparisons of "All I Need", "Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up", "Monster" & "Stay" with Jason Malachi.(/url)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Use this. You only need to replace every "(" with "[" and every ")" with "]"

(url=http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/99883-Michael-The-Great-Album-Debate-%28Only-Go-Here-if-You-Want-To-Continue-The-Controversy%29?p=3368862&viewfull=1#post3368862)Click here for comparisons of "All I Need", "Breaking News", "Keep Your Head Up", "Monster" & "Stay" with Jason Malachi.(/url)

Got it ;) Thank you!

Thanks for your help, too KingMikeJ ;)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

You're very welcome!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

When I get a hold of my laptop, I gonna fix my siggy to include links to TPI' files.

I hate typing with iPhone keyboard. I've been a BB user for too long.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

When I get a hold of my laptop, I gonna fix my siggy to include links to TPI' files.

I hate typing with iPhone keyboard. I've been a BB user for too long.

Oh, you have an iPhone now? So addictive, eh? I can always tell in your posts when you're using your phone :lol: I was using mine today to post in here cuz I was out and about all day....lol
 
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There were a 32 DVD + Bonus CD disc, not official, that included a few Jason songs.

Yea, that's the one I was talking about, it's a shame that lots of people bought it with Jason on it being passed as MJ. I was made as hell when I heard these songs I knew it was not MJ. There are many new young fans that bought that thinking it was MJ. UGH!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh, you have an iPhone now? So addictive, eh? I can always tell in your posts when you're using your phone :lol: I was using mine today to post in here cuz I was out and about all day....lol

Lol... Yup, I finally got myself an iPhone... It's fun to use. I just need to get used to the non-existing keyboard. I'm so used to type with a real keyboard.

I follow this thread when I'm out. But, I just can't type long post... :lol:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

testing my siggy.

edit: yay, it's working. now, i need to post more often in the main subforum.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

don't hate me but after looking to the comparison videos am I the only one that feels the two vocals has different styles? (and I believe I wrote this before?)

I mean Cascio vocals have an easygoing, a flow to them. I believe that singer has a better breathing technique and can do full lines in a single breath (better use of diaphragm) and better tie the lines together (hence the better flow). Jason songs has a stop go feeling (no flow even kinda struggling) and more often breathing going on.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

don't hate me but after looking to the comparison videos am I the only one that feels the two vocals has different styles? (and I believe I wrote this before?)

I mean Cascio vocals have an easygoing, a flow to them. I believe that singer has a better breathing technique and can do full lines in a single breath (better use of diaphragm) and better tie the lines together (hence the better flow). Jason songs has a stop go feeling (no flow even kinda struggling) and more often breathing going on.

I thought I was the only one who was confused with what these comparison videos proved.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^To me, the Cascio vocalists' breathing is just as choppy as Jason's. And, I believe I said the vocalist's breathing patten is not as good as Michael's technique a long long time ago.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ok I talked to my friend... This is without her hearing the comparison videos, and it is not very good news. I can tell you now, or we can wait until she hears them tomorrow? Let me know.

Also, @Ivy, I think that is production and handling if there is a difference. I don't think the Cascio tracks are easy going, I think the singer struggles particularly at the end when trying to hold a note. But I will relisten to them to see if I can hear what you are hearing.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^ What did she say, ginvid?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ok I talked to my friend... This is without her hearing the comparison videos, and it is not very good news. I can tell you now, or we can wait until she hears them tomorrow? Let me know.

Also, @Ivy, I think that is production and handling if there is a difference. I don't think the Cascio tracks are easy going, I think the singer struggles particularly at the end when trying to hold a note. But I will relisten to them to see if I can hear what you are hearing.

This is exactly how I feel. The Cascio tracks don't have that smoothness that a Michael Jackson song typically sounds. Even when Michael sounded aggressive and angry, like TDCAU, he sang with ease.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Ivy i don't "hate you" for your opinion, i just find it very difficult to understand and relate. to me, the voice on cascio tracks and JM sound absolutely identical. I just wish he would confess and put an end to this nonsense.

@ginvid tell us tell us!
 
Look to flow

I'm listening to TPIMaster's Monster

"You can look at them coming out the walls
You can look at them climbing out the bushes
You can find them when the letter’s bout to fall
He be waiting with his camera on focus"

singer does full lines in one breath, and ties the next line perfectly that you don't almost hear breathing. and it nicely sounds having a flow.

then comes "room to breath" in the comparison. almost it's like word - stop- word - stop. similar thing at let me let go and the other songs. words are spaced more, breaks between lines are longer. to me Jason's style seriously lacks easy flow
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

those lines are really short, not hard to do in one breath. i could do each one in one breath easy, it's just like talking. i think it's just the two styles of song you're comparing. compare monster with let me let go instead. he does full lines in one breath in that song.

i mean, you could do that with michael's music too. you could say he "lacks flow" in like come together (feet [stop] down [stop] below her knees [stop]) but has flow in billie jean.

i'd also just like to add that i've gotten to a point where i don't even care about the cascio leaks anymore. i have no desire to hear soldier boy, water, or any of the others. i am SO sick of listening to jason malachi. it makes no difference to me if i ever hear those tracks or not.

edit: just wanted to say that i don't honestly think michael "lacks flow" on come together, i'm just using it as an example of 2 different song-styles
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^ Ivy, I see what you're saying...The difference to me is that Jason in Monster really sounds like he's turning up the MJ voice...Like, he's trying to sound more aggressive, quick, and overall similar to Michael's staccato style.....But he still sounds like he's struggling to me with a decent attempt..The phrasing on Monster is not as skilled as Michael...Michael was a master at phrasing..
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

She said it is not so easy to just go to court and sue someone. The first thing you have to do is prove damages. She said if this cannot be proved, the judge would throw it out before it even got to Sony. She recommends firstly writing a letter to Sony and asking for our money back and state the reason why. She said if they gave the money back, that's about as far as we could take it. She said if they did not give our money back, then we could go further. She said it would be hard to bring a fraud case against Sony because we would have to prove that they knew the songs were fake before hand (which would be difficult to do even if we could prove that the tracks were fake). I asked her about suing the Cascios, and she said that would be difficult because they did not have a responsibility towards us, they had a responsibility towards Sony. So we would have to get them on our sides since in that case they would be the victim. And they would have to admit the tracks were fake (which they would never do). She said we really have no damages except the cost of the CD if we bought them.

We could bring an injunction against Sony to get them to stop using the songs, if we could prove they are fake. But she said that was difficult to stem from an accusation of fraud since that would be what we would claim since most fraud cases are about damages. She said legally, there would be very little we could do. She said we could try to force them to show us the reports from their independent voal analysts, but they don't have a responsibility to do so, so we would probably never get that. I asked her about a class action lawsuit, but we are from so many different countries and laws governing things like this.

Anyway, she says a first step is to ask for our money back by letter. So I will try to draft a letter to Sony asking for my money back and see what response they give to that. That will determine what we could do next.

She said there are state agencies that fight on behalf of citizens of their state who have been defrauded ny an organization, such as in the foreclosure loans in the states. But, that was a case of people losing their homes, not because of a CD with fake songs.

She said she will confer with more people at her job after she hears the songs in the next day or two, so i will keep you updated. :(
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^thank you for taking the time to ask and type up her response. it's not great news . .

who do we ask for our money back? sony music global? epic? does it have to be actual/direct mail, or can it be email? i'd love to ask for my money back, i sent michaeljackson.com 2 order cancellation emails before they even SHIPPED my CD and i never got an answer.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I would assume it would be whichever division of Sony that is on the CD. However, I will confirm with her when she calls back. She told me to do so in writing, but I will ask if email is ok. I would assume both would be great if we could do both, just to show that we have tried multiple methods of contact.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@ginvid - ask her about BBB. It could be a better alternative to send a complaint through. (Depending on where you bought the CD's they could already have a terms and conditions about the return / refund process and might not accept items back based on those guidelines - such as if they require the items to be unopened etc)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Thanks ginvid. I'll join the effort and ask Sony for my money back. I ordered two copies from Amazon. It's not that I want my mone back, but I want to make some noise. I really want to have my voice heard. I want to let them know I don't support an album with fabricated songs.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Will do people. She said we could send in a request for our money back as a group effort; or, we could send in an individual request first just to see what will happen. I will ask her help with what jargon I should use. She told me some phrases, but it was a long convo and I forgot some phrases.

@Ivy, I will ask about the BBB. I actually meant to ask her about that when she mentioned the state agencies, but I forgot once I got talking. :lol:

I will let everyone know. And if we choose seperate letters, I will let you guys see the letter we come up with, by PM of course! :cheeky:
 
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^^ Thanks ginvid for your response....I will support whatever needs to be done....

But, what am I gonna do with my free copy of 'MICHAEL' that I got with the Experience on Kinect? :scratch: :lol:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Girl, I don't know. That is the thing that is so upsetting about this. They basically did this in a way that left us with no recourse. She said we cannot go into court and say our only damages are we are upset. They will throw the case out. Alot, of people who were upset about the album never bought it or did not buy those songs so there really are no damages. It is just very frustrating.:ranting :perrin
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^^ That's exactly it...We're basically helpless, really....They've covered their tracks it seems....:(
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I know. How depressing. :(
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Eddie don't have any proof and he never has had. When Howard Weitzman conducted his "Investigation" where in any of his statement did it even mention them talking to the Cascios about it or where did it mention any Handwritten notes or proof? Surely that would be the first port to call and the first thing to tell the fans to re-assure them!

and about the "producers" and "experts" called to this meeting to listen to the vocals, no offence I respect alot of them and if what they think is true its a shame, they worked with Michael over long periods of time mostly spread thinly, but I listen to Michael for hours and hours a day for the last 20 years, we the fans listen to Michael and have his voice embedded in our head because its a passion, not a job. We don't have bigtime reputations to lose like these producers.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

ivy, don't you think the vibrato sounds basically worse in the Cascio tracks than on most Jason Malachi tracks?
 
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