Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)
Oh come on Larry, I have nothing against you personally, I even don't know you. I am counter-arguing your comments. If you can't take someone's reaction, then stop stirring up sensitive issues.
Now you can compare CLHGAW (from 3:10) to Get On The Floor (from 3:20), how much did it really change? A tiny, tiny bit due to his age, as everyone else's, but nothing drastically.
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Now you are complaining that at some points I consider your opinion (not you, your opinion on a specific matter) absurd, yet say my opinion is that I can't have an intellignt debate. Which means that you are attacking my person. You are even not talking about my opinions, you are talking about me.
Now you are lecturing me to have some respect for people even if I said nothing against people? Yet, you have apparently no clue through what Michael had to go through, you don't know what drugs and why Michael had to take them. By the way it is a personal thing that we even shouldn't be discussing here, just as anyone's medical history here (plastic surgery included), because THAT's disrespectful! Now isn't that respect lecturing from your part absurd? Read what you write and check before you post it Larry. I know that you understand yourself, but when you state things publicly make sure we understand too.
Remember according to the media MJ's MUM denied recognizing her own son's voice on the Cascio tracks. Now, are you saying she's a liar?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/08/new-michael-jackson-songs
Ok i accept that i have been hot headed on this, and i apologize for that, especially if you feel like i was personally attacking you, im not, im just really defensive, and if i FEEL like im being attacked, i will put walls up and attack back, whether or not the person was attacking, its a defensive thing, so again i apologize for that.
Now for me, his voice changed alot between CLHGA and Get On The Floor, but those two songs you picked quite cleverly because he is singing in the same key, so yes he does sound the same.
Look i don't like getting into Michael's personal life, but if we as a community allow going into other's personal lives (the Cascio's for example) it's only fair that we investigate Michael's too, MJ's issues with drugs is not part of this debate unless it contributed to vocal changes, now the two most comparable songs i can think of from two separate periods show little change (SOOML and YANA) but if we start moving more towards recent recordings (One More Chance and BoJ) His voice is still wonderful, but it has an aged wine feel to it, it has in fact changed, and i'm sure we can both agree that it's his age and perhaps even his lung condition that contributed to that.
With that aside i will tell you my EXACT reasoning for believing the Cascio tracks are real.
1. After my anger over BN subsided and i listened to it (and later Monster and KYHU) with other MJ songs, as well as other JM songs, i noticed that they didn't fit with JM's songs, sonically, lyrically and vocally they were different, do all the comparisons you like, nothing beats listening to a JM playlist with Cascio tracks and an MJ playlist with Cascio tracks for over a week, and i can tell you, the JM playlist didn't fit nearly as well as the MJ playlist, (you have to try it yourself to see where im coming from)
But one reason is never enough, LOGICALLY it can't be, for example you can't have just DNA evidence to convict a person of murder, you need a few reasons to get convicted (OJ Simpson for example).
2. Sony has no Logical motive, now you can say that Sony don't want us to think there is a motive and that we may not know what they're thinking, but that doesn't hold for me, you either have a motive, or you don't, and AS IT STANDS, Sony has no motive for putting fake tracks on the album, i mean if they wanted them for sales wouldn't they have released them as singles and used them in promotion? Yes, but they didn't, which leads me to believe that they weren't very happy with them, which is also why they got them tested, results or not, Sony PURCHASED 11 tracks from a family with no known affiliation with Michael Jackson, OF COURSE they were going to check the tracks, the Cascio's and James Porte were the only witnesses to the recording.
3. Over 6 people who worked with Michael the past decade confirm the tracks are him, now for me this means alot, as the ONLY members of Michaels family to work with him in a studio last were Janet Jackson in Scream (1994) and 3T on Why (1997) but these producers worked with Michael right up to his death in 2009, which to me are a more credible source (logically) but you can't say his mum knew his voice better than these engineers for 2 reasons, 1. she's biased and cold towards the Cascio's, there was obvious resentment from the Jacksons toward the Cascio's because Michael seemed to enjoy the Cascio's company more than his own family's (popping over in the middle of the night, staying for months on end etc) 2. She hadn't heard Michael really sing in a studio for two decades, and that's the truth.
4. The Cascios have a better track record than the Jacksons, we can ALL agree that Katherine defending Joseph all these years over him abusing Michael is sickening, even when at least 3 of their children were coming forward about it all, on top of that you have Joseph, who only days after Michael's death was promoting his own label, despite being an abusive A$$ hole toward Michael as a child, and then we have LaToya, who lied ON TV saying Michael was a pedophile, i don't care what excuses she gives, for all we know she's lying about that too, and as for 3T, they are just supporting their family, and probably resent the Cascio's for recording with Michael instead of them, they probably feel very cheated.
5. There is no proof stating otherwise, there is THEORIES about the Cascio tracks, as well as unprofessional inaccurate and mostly edited comparison videos, any old joe can compare two sound alike singers and can find parts in SOME of their songs that sound identical (which is all that has been done), i can come up with many instances in the same songs compared where the two singers (Michael and Jason) sound completely different.
And that Bumper is the reasons why i believe that the Cascio tracks are Michael, please feel free to point out anything that's illogical
) and I would go to sleep every night listening to him. I've heard him sing live in concert, I've heard demos. After listening to those 3 songs over and over, I don't believe it is Michael, I just don't get the feeling you get as a fan when you listen to the artist you love. There are parts that really sound like him, so I can see why people are divided on this, but fans should not be divided on this, we should know... There isn't a question about other songs on the album, because they are Michael, and that is how all his older music is a well, whether his voice changed, whether he is singing in a different key, whatever, you still know.