Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yeah, since you're all so confident it's Jason Malachi, send in your damning evidence and get this all over the mainstream news. Since it's so damning.

 

[samhabib]

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Yeah, since you're all so confident it's Jason Malachi, send in your damning evidence and get this all over the mainstream news. Since it's so damning.

You got a better comparison file for your side? No? I didn't think so.

These audio file proves everything. Absolutely everything. It's as clear as daylight.

 

[Arklove]

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The songs are even SO similar that it's almost impossible to tell when one song ends and the other
begins....Just....wow...

 

[samhabib]

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The songs are even SO similar that it's almost impossible to tell when one song ends and the other
begins....Just....wow...

Surely there'd be a million Michael Jackson songs that the believers could edit similarly with some of the Cascio songs??? Why is it that we don't have anything like that to listen to???

 

[Arklove]

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Surely there'd be a million Michael Jackson songs that the believers could edit similarly with some of the Cascio songs??? Why is it that we don't have anything like that to listen to???

It would be quite interesting to hear, that's for sure....lol...

The comparisons get more damning every time....Spread it around! lol

 

[Pompous Git]

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I've said it before on Max Jax and I'll say it here too - if you're so convinced these comparision videos are "damning evidence", start a lawsuit. Club together and do it.

See how seriously they'll take you. If ya got the balls...go for it. Formally accuse Sony, Estate and Cascios of fraud in your formal complaint. Instead of wasting time yakking on MJ forums.

No, comparision videos are not what you need. A professional forensic musicologist is - a court will take an independent one more seriously.

Besides, I don't get why you guys are so intent on putting folk into two camps - "believers", "deniers", whatever. It's rubbish - not everyone has a view to either leaning.

 

[Tom]

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Pentum, thanks a lot for those audio comparisons. Not that I need more proof, but this just makes it that much clearer. I do however think you were wrong to pitch Malachi's song + 2, I think that's a little too high.

 

[ivy]

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Thanks to Worldwide, I was able to make a Keep Your Head Up VS Room 2 Breath [Jason Malachi] with only Keep Your Head Up instrumental. This will blow your mind - please listen closely to the voice.

Note: I did pitch Jason's voice with 2 +. The reason why I did this is because in my opinion, The Cascio tracks are pitched up with at least 2 +. It shouldn't really matter that much, but there is always a slight different.http://soundcloud.com/pentum/room-2-breath-vs-keep-your

Credits goes to Worldwide.

thank you but I hope I can express this but I think the vocals on the Keep Your Head up is softer and have more easy flow to them and Jason is struggling with his parts(it's packed, no flow from word to word). It might sound similar but not the same style. Also look to the waveform - (again hopefully what I'm saying will be clear) the parts of Keep your head up is larger and Jason's are shorter. (for example compare 0.03:0.10 to 0.10:0.16) Doesn't it show that the characteristics is different? Wouldn't this show us that Jason cannot fool a expert waveform test? (not that I'm expert in waveforms - please correct me if I'm wrong).

btw before calling this "damning evidence" and rushing to court let me say this - this won't hold because of "Note: I did pitch Jason's voice with 2 +. The reason why I did this is because in my opinion, The Cascio tracks are pitched up with at least 2 +. " - You are saying that you modified JM vocals to fit to Cascio vocals. There goes the objectivity.

 

[kopwatcher]

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You are saying that you modified JM vocals to fit to Cascio vocals. There goes the objectivity.

I don't see how that's any different to saying that MJ's vocals were processed differently on every single syllable (?) - a blanket modification is not half as extreme as what you were suggesting.

 

[Tom]

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thank you but I hope I can express this but I think the vocals on the Keep Your Head up is softer and have more easy flow to them and Jason is struggling with his parts(it's packed, no flow from word to word). It might sound similar but not the same style. Also look to the waveform - (again hopefully what I'm saying will be clear) the parts of Keep your head up is larger and Jason's are shorter. (for example compare 0.03:0.10 to 0.10:0.16) Doesn't it show that the characteristics is different? Wouldn't this show us that Jason cannot fool a expert waveform test? (not that I'm expert in waveforms - please correct me if I'm wrong).

Depends on the style of song. You can time two songs together as Pentum did there but if they aren't in the same style (i.e. strong and agressive vs. quiet and soft) the waveforms wont be the same. This doesn't however prove that the singers are different as the singer could just be adopting a different style. Computers and waveform analysis is very precise so even the same style of song can be differentiated between based on the singers imput on the track. It's like comparing Human Nature to Speechless, they are both ballads but waveform analysis can show different results. Therefore it doesn't show that Jason was struggling with some of the techniques used in Keep Your Head Up, he just wasn't using them at that time.

 

[Tom]

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I should add, that if of course Jason was being asked to sing more like Michael Jackson then subtle things like flow as you say will differ.

 

[ivy]

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I don't see how that's any different to saying that MJ's vocals were processed differently on every single syllable (?) - a blanket modification is not half as extreme as what you were suggesting.

You are talking about the end product.

For an meaningful and strong comparison we need to compare raw unprocessed acapella vocals to raw unprocessed acapella vocals.

what we have now is comparing processed MJ vocals to pitch modified JM vocals.

and for a moment let's assume that they are "the same". are they "the same" because the same person is singing or are they "the same" because of the multiple modifications done to both vocals?

I personally wouldn't rush to court saying that I have "damning evidence".

 

[Aniram]

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Yes, Ivy, I agree with you, the voice is softer and the flow is more like Best Of Joy(my opinion) in Keep Your Head Up.

Yes, also, Jason Malachi's impersonation does sound very forced.

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

You are talking about the end product.

For an meaningful and strong comparison we need to compare raw unprocessed acapella vocals to raw unprocessed acapella vocals.

what we have now is comparing processed MJ vocals to pitch modified JM vocals.

and for a moment let's assume that they are "the same". are they "the same" because the same person is singing or are they "the same" because of the multiple modifications done to both vocals?

I personally wouldn't rush to court saying that I have "damning evidence".

Unfortunately, we don't have MJ's "unprocessed" vocals because they haven't been made available to us. I don't think that's ever going to change, so we have to make do.

Secondly, I don't think the Cascio vocals have been processed all that much (at least not to the extent you were talking about), but, as mentioned above, there will never be a way to prove that, so we're always going to disagree.

Thirdly, and most importantly (and this is at least the third time I've made this request and the main reason why I can't take the excuses seriously - hence the "jokes"), if Cascio songs are really MJ, and with a bit of very simple pitch shifting, we can make "MJ" sound exactly like an impersonator, then why have we not seen a single example of someone taking a genuine MJ acapella and making it sound like a Cascio song vocal?

1. Cascio MJ to Malachi -> easy transformation
2. Genuine MJ to Cascio MJ -> where is it???

...and, as I've said before, a single solitary example would SHUT this discussion DOWN, quicker than you can say "popcorn fart". That's all that's needed. That one little piece of evidence. People have posted oodles of comparisons of (1)....where are the examples of (2)? Where? That's all we want.

You might say "oh we can't do that, we don't know what processing has been applied". Well we managed to replicate an impersonator's voice didn't we? Why not the person who is actually alleged to have sang the damn song?

Every time things like PVC tubes, ridiculous processing, and sitting down in the shower are brought up; it's just funny to me. I can't take it seriously. I haven't recently had the motivation to write all this out again because I know it will fall on deaf ears yet again, but the thread is going round and round in circles with ridiculous arguments, and all that's needed is a simple comparison video with MJ. There's lots of talented MJ fans out there and lots of acapellas - bring it on. Please. For the love of God.

 

[Mikaeel101]

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Thirdly, and most importantly (and this is at least the third time I've made this request and the main reason why I can't take the excuses seriously - hence the "jokes"), if Cascio songs are really MJ, and with a bit of very simple pitch shifting, we can make "MJ" sound exactly like an impersonator, then why have we not seen a single example of someone taking a genuine MJ acapella and making it sound like a Cascio song vocal?

1. Cascio MJ to Malachi -> easy transformation
2. Genuine MJ to Cascio MJ -> where is it???

...and, as I've said before, a single solitary example would SHUT this discussion DOWN, quicker than you can say "popcorn fart". That's all that's needed. That one little piece of evidence. People have posted oodles of comparisons of (1)....where are the examples of (2)? Where? That's all we want.

1. Because Believers are scared.

2. Because vocally comparing "Butterflies" to "Keep ya head up" would make everybody in this thread laugh their ass off.

 

[ivy]

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@kopwatcher

you know that my point was that any comparison video wouldn't hold in court as "damning evidence", right?

you are right most things are not doable, and we'll probably never have the solid proof or the answer we are looking for and will go in circles...

then why have we not seen a single example of someone taking a genuine MJ acapella and making it sound like a Cascio song vocal?

one you need a comparative sample - a low quality demo with comparable recording setting
two you need to know what to do in order to edit it the same way

otherwise it would be like looking for a needle in the haystack because there's a lot of missing pieces of this puzzle

see the thing is with cascio songs something was "missing/wrong" and they needed to be "edited" , so you need to have another example that has the same thing missing/wrong and edit it in the same way to come to the same sound.

think like this

if there's a really bland food and if I add spices to it it would taste okay
if I take a perfectly seasoned food and add spices to it it would be over seasoned

 

[Mikaeel101]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

one you need a comparative sample - a low quality demo with comparable recording setting
two you need to know how to edit it.

No dissrespect, but none of us "Doubters" needed a camparitive sample to make our comparison videos?

Regardless of how low quality it would be, the least the believers could do was try.

Hell we dd it, why can't they?

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@kopwatcher

you know that my point was that any comparison video wouldn't hold in court as "damning evidence", right?

You're probably right. But people here would certainly consider it. You play those comparisons to 100 random people. I bet you a good proportion would say they're the same person.

one you need a comparative sample - a low quality demo with comparable recording setting
two you need to know how to edit it.

otherwise it would be like looking for a needle in the haystack because there's a lot of missing pieces of this puzzle

see the thing is with cascio songs something was "missing/wrong" and they needed to be "edited" , so you need to have another example that has the same thing missing/wrong and edit it in the same way to come to the same sound.

Yet we can reproduce Malachi's vocals? So I guess Malachi must have been singing through a PVC pipe sitting down in the shower, on exactly the same equipment? Quite a coincidence. Sorry for being facetious, but your arguments just aren't making sense to me.

It seems to me that you're going to great lengths (i.e. very very great) to try and discount some of these things as invalid, but surely you should be wondering why we these vocals could get so close to Malachi's but we can't get them close to MJ's (PLEASE someone prove me wrong). I truly believe I'm speaking to someone who's not interested in asking diffcult and searching questions, but rather someone who's trying their hardest to paper over the cracks of the status quo. Maybe it's just me.

I'm not going to try anymore because I do know I am wasting my time. This isn't personal. You've stayed respectful throughout, but I believe it's come down to a question of belief rather than evidence...and trying to convince a Christian that God doesn't exist is an exercise in futility.

 

[ivy]

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No dissrespect, but none of us "Doubters" needed a camparitive sample to make our comparison videos?

Regardless of how low quality it would be, the least the believers could do was try.

Hell we dd it, why can't they?

mostly doubters videos are cut paste of JM songs and MJ songs - simple video editing

what you are asking is to get a MJ song and "heavily processing" it in an unknown way to make it sound like Cascio song - detailed musical editing

I'm not seeing any music experts with that capacity here (and that time), do you?

the problem with your request isn't cutting and pasting 2 different audio files together, it's "heavily processing" the audio file

It seems to me that you're going to great lengths (i.e. very very great) to try and discount some of these things as invalid, but surely you should be wondering why we these vocals could get so close to Malachi's but we can't get them close to MJ's (PLEASE someone prove me wrong).

again "invalid" legally. I wrote this before if you think it's convincing enough for you more the power to you. and actually I do not think anyone disagrees with me. Isn't the same explanation of why we aren't seeing a lawsuit from Jacksons? Isn't the argument they cannot prove it?

If it was so obvious, if it was so valid, if it was absolutely damning we would see a legal action, wouldn't we?

plus : why not try what you are asking - get a genuine MJ acapealla modify it with every possible variation of processing and debunk the theory that "heavy processing" accounts for the difference? If that's so easy to do and believers are just running around scared , hiding?

 

[Kapital77]

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Thanks to Pentum:

[youtube]ZqcDguE711c[/youtube]

unk:

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

mostly doubters videos are cut paste of JM songs and MJ songs - simple video editing

what you are asking is to get a MJ song and "heavily processing" it in an unknown way to make it sound like Cascio song - detailed musical editing

I'm not seeing any music experts with capacity here, do you?

the problem with your request isn't cutting and pasting 2 different audio files together, it's "heavily processing" the audio file

...and surely that tells you something? Logically?

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

...and surely that tells you something? Logically?

enlighten me please

and in case you missed it

It seems to me that you're going to great lengths (i.e. very very great) to try and discount some of these things as invalid, but surely you should be wondering why we these vocals could get so close to Malachi's but we can't get them close to MJ's (PLEASE someone prove me wrong).

again "invalid" legally. I wrote this before if you think it's convincing enough for you more the power to you. and actually I do not think anyone disagrees with me. Isn't the same explanation of why we aren't seeing a lawsuit from Jacksons? Isn't the argument they cannot prove it?

If it was so obvious, if it was so valid, if it was absolutely damning we would see a legal action, wouldn't we?

plus : why not try what you are asking - get a genuine MJ acapealla modify it with every possible variation of processing and debunk the theory that "heavy processing" accounts for the difference? If that's so easy to do and believers are just running around scared / hiding, why not ?

 

[kopwatcher]

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OK, I'll bite.

enlighten me please

If Cascio MJ -> JM = simple video editing
And Cascio MJ -> Real MJ = detailed musical editing on every syllable

Then surely that indicates the songs are more likely to be JM than MJ. That's a logical conclusion from those two statements.

again "invalid" legally. I wrote this before if you think it's convincing enough for you more the power to you. and actually I do not think anyone disagrees with me. Isn't the same explanation of why we aren't seeing a lawsuit from Jacksons? Isn't the argument they cannot prove it?

If it was so obvious, if it was so valid, if it was absolutely damning we would see a legal action, wouldn't we?

The legal standpoint is interesting because we on this board have nothing that is likely to stand up in court...and I do freely admit this. But you have to ask yourself why. I think that we will never hear acapellas of these songs; people have attempted but they have apparently been processed in a way that makes it very difficult (why?). The evidence IS damning, but maybe not legally. If Murray gets away with murder over a legal technicality, will that be ok? You see where I'm going with this.

In a related issue, JM's acapellas have attempted to have been taken offline. Concidence? Maybe.

plus : why not try what you are asking - get a genuine MJ acapealla modify it with every possible variation of processing and debunk the theory that "heavy processing" accounts for the difference? If that's so easy to do and believers are just running around scared , hiding?

If I sat here doing every possible variation of processing I believe I'd be sitting here for eternity because I don't think it's MJ (see my very first point) - that's up to people who believe the songs are genuine, the "doubters" have done their bit
To take my previous analogy - that's like asking an atheist to prove God exists. Why would they waste their time when the evidence is pointing to the contrary?

 

[Aniram]

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Perhaps Malachi's acapellas are being taken down for the same reason Michael's official acapellas usually get taken down, it's not allowed if it's copyrighted.

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If Cascio MJ -> JM = simple video editing
And Cascio MJ -> Real MJ = detailed musical editing on every syllable

Then surely that indicates the songs are more likely to be JM than MJ. That's a logical conclusion from those two statements.

my PhD dissertation advisor would say this "are you accounting for every possible factors?" (hint: stuff you call "excuses")

as you know believer's theory isn't that it sounds exactly like MJ - no one is saying vocals in monster sounds exactly like vocals in ghosts for example. they have their factors (or excuses like you like to call) that needs to be factored in. For example Pentum's point is it sounds exactly like JM and the only factor Pemtum has is JM . that's a lot more simpler.

plus as we all know not everyone agrees on the JM-Cascio comparisons. To you it sounds exactly the same , to some percentage it doesn't.

so you can see that your logic is based on that JM-Cascio comparison is "valid".

The legal standpoint is interesting because we on this board have nothing that is likely to stand up in court...and I do freely admit this. But you have to ask yourself why. I think that we will never hear acapellas of these songs; people have attempted but they have apparently been processed in a way that makes it very difficult (why?). The evidence IS damning, but maybe not legally. If Murray gets away with murder over a legal technicality, will that be ok? You see where I'm going with this.

how about Jacksons? how do you explain them? how do you explain Katherine that can as a beneficiary go to probate court and stir the pot? why not that's happening either?

In a related issue, JM's acapellas have been taken offline. Concidence? Maybe.

does it matter?. doesn't everyone have them downloaded?

If I sat here doing every possible variation of processing I believe I'd be sitting here for eternity

and thank you - that's exactly my point about the impossibility of this task. sure we can change the pitch by +2 but trying to find out what "heavy processing" accounts to would take eternity

that's up to people who believe the songs are genuine, the "doubters" have done their bit

well legally speaking burden of proof is on you , remember little something called "innocent until proven guilty" - by all accounts these are legit MJ songs

(man even I'm tired of legal talk :tease

 

[love is magical]

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(man even I'm tired of legal talk :tease

this is hilarious! :better:

hey, what area of study are you in?

 

[azsummergirl]

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I'm going to buy Pentum a cake and some balloons.

I been at disneyworld for a few days, but always have time to check on this thread
I've said it before and i'll say it again: where would we be without pentum?

thanks dear!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Thanks to Pentum:

[youtube]ZqcDguE711c[/youtube]

unk:

Those two voices aren't exactly identical. Similar, but to say identical would be a lie, to me anyway. I guess that means KYHU was pitched up huh?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Unbelievable!

You show the bones of a dinosaur and the person asks you the impossible: "prove it in court that it had lived"! --You can't, the dino is DEAD! (unavailable/destroyed/erased from this planet)

You show the Cascios vocals to be closer to Jason's than to Michael's, and the person asks you the impossible: "prove it in court with unprocessed Cascio vocals!" --You can't, the raw vocals are DEAD! (unavailable/destroyed/erased...)

As many doubters already asked: take absolutely any Michael's vocals and compare them to the Cascio vocals. Just do it and stop making excuses.

Now, this extremely frustrating request:
"Go to court if you are sure." is driving me nuts! You can't go to court! We doubters admit that we do not possess what the court would ask -the raw vocals. But damn it, don't you:

1) hear it that the vocals are so close to Jason's?
2) hear it that none of Michael's vocals are close to the Cascio tacks?
3) see that SONY already have covered their ass

Now, I am sending you the question back:

SONY paid ONE F****** BILLION dollars to Michael. But he realized he found himself trapped by a "legal" contract with SONY. Why didn't he go to court then? WHY? What excuse are you going to make up. Instead of that, the greatest entertainer of all time had to go through this:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Here are the very first reactions from the fans when Breaking News aired in the Michael - The Official New Album - Out December 14th - General Discussion Thread (from page 542 on). What do you make of it? Some people easily forget how the majority of fans reacted. Enjoy reading them:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

SMELLY:

what do u all think of breaking news i like the track its catchy but i think its mike and someone else singin too ? i dunno maybe im deaf....

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OoOjackieOoO: ITS HIM ITS HIM ITS HIMN
first i thought it wasn't but then i listened with headphones on and ITS HIMMMMMMMM
i've already listened about a billion times and i'm ABSOLUTELY IN LOOOOVEEEEEE WITH THIS SONG
YAYYYYYYY. I LUV U MJ

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Taj Jackson on Twitter:

If you heard the acapella you would be even more disgusted. Sampled breaths after sampled breaths mixed in with fake vocals to try to fool u.

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Taryll Jackson on Twitter:

I am shocked that things have gotten this far. This is ridiculous. I was at the studio when these questionable files were delivered. I heard these "so-called" Michael Jackson songs raw and without the distraction of the well produced music by Teddy Riley. How they constructed these songs is very sneaky and sly. many people who have worked on this project either have strong doubts and questions while others KNOW the truth yet decided to turn and look the other way with their hands out for $$$. I will NEVER look the other way. Right is Right, Truth is Truth, Facts are Facts and it will all come out!!! I tried so hard to prevent this craziness, but they wouldn't listen. I KNOW my Uncle's voice and something's seriously wrong when you have immediate FAMILY saying it's not him. Don't you have to wonder why? I have strong, undeniable points. They can't give me answers, yet continue to move forward with lies and deception. Sounding like Michael Jackson and BEING Michael Jackson are two different things.

"If you know it's a lie then you will swear it, If you give it with guilt then you will bear it, If it's taking a chance then you will dare it&#8230; you would do anything for money"
about 3 hours ago via Twitlonger

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TOPFLUX:

They can't put something like this on the album, can they? This must be a publicity stunt?

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BUBBLES: it could be a buzz plant by sony to put this album on headline

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Dangerous2000watts:

It's weird to be alone. It seems I'm the only who likes Breaking News.
It's quite OK for a demo song except the fact it used too much vocie samples from other songs. Well.. I'd rather be a lonely happy child.

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PCR: if that is the case, this is the worst joke I have ever experienced.
and the bitterest by far

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Deano:

Love the song!!

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Conspiracy: OMG ITS A PIECE OF CRAP!!!

That is ofsocurse not MJ, the text begin with michael jackson name, he would never sing his name by himself like that. Worst song ever, hope its a PR for something breaking news that the album is out maybe.

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lilseanb:

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!
Its defo his voice! This is going to be huge!

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[QUOTEJustbeatit: I like it... is it him? Im like 70 percent sure... is it amazing... YES
WOOOOOOOOO[/QUOTE]<o></o>

Respect 77: I only managed to listen to it once. I don't know what to think. Maybe Michael's family was right after all. I'm so sad and confused.

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Billie Jean 78:

I'm speechless...


I don't mind them using Michael's samples from other songs, as long as it is Michael! But this... I'm not sure and I'm surprised to not being able to tell for sure. I mean it could be experimenting (good point with 200 Watts, amongst others), but then again it could be a dirty trick from Sony.

And I do not understand the publicity plot, nor would I accept it. Unless there is a BN completely with Michael's vocals out there, waiting for us.

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Hess: I really like the song a LOT.

I think 60-70 % of the vocals are MJ's. I don't think it's all MJ, but who knows. I hope SONY has a video that proves this to be 100 % MJ. But I doubt that.

Anyway - it's a great great track. Pure MJ style.

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swirly: I'm listening to it now. The "o0o0o0o"'s are definitely his, but the singing/talking doesn't sound like him?? Is it him???

<v:shape style="WIDTH: 15pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Image_x0020_7 alt="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1029"><v:imagedata o:title="sad" src="file:///C:\Users\Said\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>This is sad and confusing, it's GOT to be Michael right? Sony wouldn't put a 'fake' song out there?

Maybe Michael sounds different because he's older now and we haven't really heard that much music from him from 2007 and onwards?

<v:shape style="WIDTH: 15pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Image_x0020_8 alt="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1028"><v:imagedata o:title="sad" src="file:///C:\Users\Said\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>Confused and sad fan <v:shape style="WIDTH: 15pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Image_x0020_9 alt="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1027"><v:imagedata o:title="sad" src="file:///C:\Users\Said\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>

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moonwalkbhoy: this has to be a stunt man, every where is starting to report this, or its a track tht wont be on album, what ever is happinging every1 is spking about it.

wonder how many ppl have went and listened to this already, whos with me, this is marketing

sony had loads of songs to choose.

if this was the single then, we would be like aye right, but it is a teaser for a week, ppl will go on and listen then after a week, it be a month till the album.

the single will drop with classic mj voice and the world will be spking about mj and sales will go crazy

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MJ5: I dont know what to think

anyway the song is great...

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Little Suzie:

Do you know where your children are .. THAT is MJ.. But not him singing breaking news :S

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Mich: Jason Malachi and Sony- FREAKS!!!!!

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hero878:

it sounds more real that the Jason Malachi fake on youtube. But i dunno, some parts sound real and some don't. I hope its a big PR stunt, will wait and see i guess.

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IMWhizzle: Guys.. This is Michael Jackson... I've listened to it a couple of times.. He just uses his voice different.. But THAT IS MICHAEL JACKSON singing!!!

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Nicu MJJ:

This is not Michael voice... I do not like the song ... Michael did not sing on this song ... I feel frustrated and empty... Sony thinks we are stupid!

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Pentum:

IMWhizzle, I'm disappointed in that you are SO sure it's the man, when it's not. 9/10 of the fans say its not. The Jackson family say it's not.

Time to get over it, man.

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mjjesamor: I am disgusted. I feel so upset, in my opinion that is not michael's voice. It sounds nothing like him. I think it's a pr stunt to cause controversy. I listened to it twice, can't listen again it just sounds so bad.

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m26uk:

Hey guys I think it is michael... just singing differently.. chorus is prob backing singers as well.. why would sony risk there name by putting out a fake? I think the family have it wrong.. I've listened to michael most my life and i'm pretty sure its the real deal..plus the song is great!

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MoeJack:

Just heard it right now, that's DEFINITELY not Michael Joseph Jackson. No doubt about it!!!

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Princec5: since when did Ashton Kutcher start working at Sony...cause we have just been PUNK'D

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CaptainEOlove85: Biggest disappointment ever! I sent a complaint about it to Sony via their feedback. Doubt it will do much good, but it's worth trying

http://www.sonymusic.com/about/feedback.php

I guess once again $ony is as evil as they are stupid. I mean really stupid if they think fans are going to fall for that. Fastest way to lose customers of this new album. I'm still holding out some hope for it, but with a stunt like that, it's not off to a good start. <v:shape style="WIDTH: 15pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Image_x0020_13 alt="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/angry.gif" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1026"><v:imagedata o:title="angry" src="file:///C:\Users\Said\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape><v:shape style="WIDTH: 15pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; VISIBILITY: visible; mso-wrap-style: square" id=Image_x0020_14 alt="http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/no.gif" type="#_x0000_t75" o:spid="_x0000_i1025"><v:imagedata o:title="no" src="file:///C:\Users\Said\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.gif"></v:imagedata></v:shape>

Also you can't tell me that's really Michael because just listen to his live vocals on TII. Not the same.

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etc, etc...

After the first impression all kinds of neverending excuses started:

-heavy process
-pvc pipe
-demo vocals
-older voice
-new experience
-cheap material
-shower
-Michael had fun
...