Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Tony R]

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SONY's aim is to get it. Don't be surprised if Branca sells it.

So if I understand correctly, Sony does not own STTR, DWKWYCA & BG?

So even if they wanted to they couldn't have put them on Michael?

So, the songs on Michael were the best they could get having bought them from Cascios, Riley et al?

So where did they get stuff like Much Too Soon from? Was that already theirs from the Thriller sessions?

 

[love is magical]

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This Michael album did give me more sadness than joy. It totally destroyed the goodwill I have in Sony. I thought they did a great job with This Is It. I become very skeptical on all Michael Jackson related projects now. And, it really shouldn't be this way. :no:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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So if I understand correctly, Sony does not own STTR, DWKWYCA & BG?

So even if they wanted to they couldn't have put them on Michael?

So, the songs on Michael were the best they could get having bought them from Cascios, Riley et al?

So where did they get stuff like Much Too Soon from? Was that already theirs from the Thriller sessions?

I am digging it. I don't know answers to all the questions, but it is clear that SONY has a long term vision (turnover), while the sellers have a short term vision (money).

SONY claimed that they don't possess many songs. What do they possess, I don't know. But what appears clear is that they do not possess the songs that Michael did during the whole period he was trying to get away from them.

Michael didn't deliver 6 albums as agreed. So as the contract wasn't fulfilled they kept the copyright of his solo albums and the contract with SONY ended in 2006. When he signed with 2SEAS RECORD he actually had nothing to offer them in return except a new album which was in progress, but for some reasons unreleased.

Michael preferred doing a tour in order to earn money than signing a new contract and making a new album for SONY, however he kept the unreleased material. Where is it, I don't know. Logically speaking, the Estate should possess it.

 

[Roosje]

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Whoah! I'm scarred for life by that Jason video. That was absolutely horrible. It's so strange that he looks different again. I can't believe some of you guys think he's anywhere near good enough to sing those Cascio tracks. Even if you're on the fence about the credibility of the Cascio tracks it would be more believable that Michael's voice was tweaked here and there which makes it sound weird than that bad moving, badly dressed, squeeking, sunglass wearing douche is singing them. Seriously. He's nowhere near good enough to sound that much like Michael.

 

[kreen]

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Have you noticed on that video all the other guys have detailed, descriptive accounts of working with michael. Yet Eddie's account is so vague and thoughtless. He can't even talk about KYHU properly - he didn't even explain or know what the song was about.

And if he DID give a lot of details, the doubters would say, "Eddie, thou protest too much. If the tracks were real, he wouldn't feel like he has to give all of that info, he'd just say, "sure I recorded MJ, and that's that"".

Besides, the one thing that doubters and believers can agree on is that the Cascios did write and record the Cascio songs, so of course Eddie knows about KYHU and what it's about : he wrote and recorded it, whether with MJ or not.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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So don't be surprised with lack of promotion. SONY just doesn't have it as a priority. Why would they?

 

[Tony R]

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This Michael album did give me more sadness than joy. It totally destroyed the goodwill I have in Sony. I thought they did a great job with This Is It. I become very skeptical on all Michael Jackson related projects now. And, it really shouldn't be this way. :no:

Despite the shite, I'm glad 'Michael' was released. I enjoyed the other 7 songs a lot more than I thought I would and the price of the album was worth it for 'Behind The Mask' alone.

Add to that 'Another Day', 'Hollywood Tonight' and the beautiful 'Much Too Soon' and I have a handful of new MJ tracks that I really like and 2 that I love. Something I never thought I'd have again.

I suppose, analogy wise, it's like someone buying you a Lexus for Christmas and someone else cacking on it. I'm still really pleased I have the Lexus, I just hate the person that cacked on it (three times).

 

[Pentum]

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Whoah! I'm scarred for life by that Jason video. That was absolutely horrible. It's so strange that he looks different again. I can't believe some of you guys think he's anywhere near good enough to sing those Cascio tracks. Even if you're on the fence about the credibility of the Cascio tracks it would be more believable that Michael's voice was tweaked here and there which makes it sound weird than that bad moving, badly dressed, squeeking, sunglass wearing douche is singing them. Seriously. He's nowhere near good enough to sound that much like Michael.

Listen to the a cappella of Critical and How I Do. You'll hear that he could pull off any of those fake songs.

 

[kreen]

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If you can't see the ridiculousness of it then you should take a minute and think about that. In a shower. Sitting down. 12 songs.

Yeah... Except of course that's not what Eddie Cascio said at all. He says in the video that MJ recorded some background vocals sitting down in the shower, because the recording equipment was put in the bathroom.

So it's just backround vocals. On some songs. Which may not even be among the ones already released.

 

[kreen]

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What about 'killing up' Eddie added a new phrasal verb to the english language there i guess.

Yeah, that's just awful.

Oh wait : I just remembered that MJ wrote and sung the word "disrespectable" in Tabloid Junkie, which is also a made-up, grammatically incorrect word. Wow, so maybe MJ did write KYHU after all?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Yeah... Except of course that's not what Eddie Cascio said at all. He says in the video that MJ recorded some background vocals sitting down in the shower, because the recording equipment was put in the bathroom.

So it's just backround vocals. On some songs. Which may not even be among the ones already released.

It must be for the alleged song "Water".

 

[Tony R]

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Yeah, that's just awful.

Oh wait : I just remembered that MJ wrote and sung the word "disrespectable" in Tabloid Junkie, which is also a made-up, grammatically incorrect word. Wow, so maybe MJ did write KYHU after all?

MJ also used the non-word of Neglection in Little Susie. Something I only realised last week after listening to the song for 16 years.

However, as Little Susie is one of the best pieces of music ever to hit mankind, I'll forgive the fucking genius.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Yeah, that's just awful.

Oh wait : I just remembered that MJ wrote and sung the word "disrespectable" in Tabloid Junkie, which is also a made-up, grammatically incorrect word. Wow, so maybe MJ did write KYHU after all?

dis·re·spect·able

<INPUT class=au title="Listen to the pronunciation of disrespectable" type=button itxtNodeId="197" itxtBad="1"> adj \&#716;dis-ri-&#712;spek-t&#601;-b&#601;l\
Definition of DISRESPECTABLE

: not respectable

— dis·re·spect·abil·i·ty<INPUT class=au title="Listen to the pronunciation of disrespectability" type=button itxtNodeId="216" itxtBad="1"> \-&#716;spek-t&#601;-&#712;bi-l&#601;-t&#275;\ noun
<!-- End Google Analytics -->First Known Use of DISRESPECTABLE

1798

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disrespectable

 

[Arklove]

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^^Thank you Officer Grammar

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

MJ also used the non-word of Neglection in Little Susie. Something I only realised last week after listening to the song for 16 years.

However, as Little Susie is one of the best pieces of music ever to hit mankind, I'll forgive the fucking genius.

What word was used Tony?

Neglection does exist!

Neg`lec´tion
<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap>n.</TD><TD vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD>The state of being negligent; negligence.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Neglection

 

[kreen]

dis·re·spect·able

<INPUT class=au title="Listen to the pronunciation of disrespectable" type=button itxtNodeId="197" itxtBad="1"> adj \&#716;dis-ri-&#712;spek-t&#601;-b&#601;l\
Definition of DISRESPECTABLE

: not respectable

— dis·re·spect·abil·i·ty<INPUT class=au title="Listen to the pronunciation of disrespectability" type=button itxtNodeId="216" itxtBad="1"> \-&#716;spek-t&#601;-&#712;bi-l&#601;-t&#275;\ noun
<!-- End Google Analytics -->First Known Use of DISRESPECTABLE

1798

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disrespectable

I stand corrected. But it's not in any of the dictionaries I've ever used, and I'm a translator, so either MJ used a very rare word, or he came up with one that just happened to actually exist.

Besides, it's well-known that MJ made a ton of grammatical mistakes all the time. He said "Sometime" instead of "Sometimes", and "The Place Without No Name" is a terrible double negative. He was also a terrible speller.

 

[Tony R]

What word was used Tony?

Neglection does exist!

Neg`lec´tion
<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap>n.</TD><TD vAlign=top>1.</TD><TD>The state of being negligent; negligence.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Neglection

That dictionary is full of bollockisity.

 

[Worldwide]

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Well the platform's all yours... what are you confessing to? Pretending to have access to Jason Malachi's 'hotmail' account? Why would you do that?

Tell us... we'd all love to know why you thought that was a good idea???

I did not pretend to have access to his email, I HAD access to his email. I hacked him just to show that some mj fans aka most doubters believe anything without proof.

and the new malachi on fb & youtube is a proven fake. i mean, "jasonmalachi@live.co.uk" hahaha gotta be kidding me, impersonating a alleged impersonator.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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That dictionary is full of bollockisity.

DefinitionNoun1. The state of being negligent; negligence.[Websters].Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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"Neglection" is a common misspelling or typo for: neglecting, neglect ion.

Date "Neglection" was first used in popular English literature: sometime before 1592. (references)

Etymology:Neglection \Neg*lec"tion\, noun. [Latin expression neglectio.]. (references)
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Specialty Definition: neglection

DomainDefinitionNoah Webster[Noun] The state of being negligent. Source: Webster's 1828 American Dictionary.Source: compiled by the editor from various references; see credits. bookmark email print tweet facebook

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Synonyms: neglection

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PositionSynonyms (sorted by strength) Noun

negligence.
Consider also: neglect, carelessness, disregard, dereliction, inattention, indifference, delinquency, heedlessness, disuse, nonperformance.​

http://www.websters-online-dictiona...f=FORID:9&ie=UTF-8&q=Neglection&sa=Search#922

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I stand corrected. But it's not in any of the dictionaries I've ever used, and I'm a translator, so either MJ used a very rare word, or he came up with one that just happened to actually exist.

Besides, it's well-known that MJ made a ton of grammatical mistakes all the time. He said "Sometime" instead of "Sometimes", and "The Place Without No Name" is a terrible double negative. He was also a terrible speller.

<SUP>1</SUP>some·time

<INPUT class=au title="Listen to the pronunciation of 1sometime" type=button itxtNodeId="209" itxtBad="1"> adv \&#712;s&#601;m-&#716;t&#299;m\
Definition of SOMETIME

1
archaic : in the past : formerly

2
archaic : once in a while : occasionally

3
: at some time in the future <I'll do it sometime>

4
: at some not specified or definitely known point of time <sometime last night>

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1. We should get together sometime.
2. It's likely to happen sometime soon.
3. She will return from her trip sometime in December.
4. A burglar broke in sometime during the night.
5. The book was written sometime around the turn of the century.

First Known Use of SOMETIME

14th century

Related to SOMETIME

Synonyms: eventually, finally, someday, yet, sooner or later, ultimately

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sometime

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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A place "without no" name is slang and as acceptable as "ain't no".

By the way I am a translator as well.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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If you discuss linguistics please do bear in mind that there are different registers.

For example the expression "break of dawn" is not correct. Normally you should say "break of day". However, in slang English it is acceptable. It is not a mistake, it is a question of deliberate choice by the author who uses that expression within a particular region, city, or even parts of a city.

 

[love is magical]

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Despite the shite, I'm glad 'Michael' was released. I enjoyed the other 7 songs a lot more than I thought I would and the price of the album was worth it for 'Behind The Mask' alone.

Add to that 'Another Day', 'Hollywood Tonight' and the beautiful 'Much Too Soon' and I have a handful of new MJ tracks that I really like and 2 that I love. Something I never thought I'd have again.

I suppose, analogy wise, it's like someone buying you a Lexus for Christmas and someone else cacking on it. I'm still really pleased I have the Lexus, I just hate the person that cacked on it (three times).

I also enjoy the other seven songs, particularly Best of Joy and Much Too Soon. To me, Best of Joy is sacred.

The reason I said I have more sadness because it will forever change my perception of a Michael Jackson album going forward. Before the Breaking News fiasco, I was like a child so eager for my Christmas present. You know, you waited and waited and counted days and imagined what the album would sound like. I had butterflies in my stomach when I heard the Breaking News snippet before the inital streaming. Then, reality hit. I finally realized the magic is gone for good.

Will I be as excited next Christmas? Will I look forward to my present as much? I don't think so. It's sad because of the loss of innocence and the loss of anticipation.

This album gave me so much to look forward to last year. The anticipation filled up the void left after Michael's passing. For me, it's a kind of escapism. I tried to forget about the reality. I looked at it as Michael's 11th studio album.

Now, I realize there is no more 11th studio album. Invincible was the final one. Everything is going to be cash-in attempts from this point on. Everything becomes uglier. I never like the sound "posthumous album"; although, I find myself reminding myself a lot these days that this album is indeed a posthumous album, just to lower my expectation.

 

[Tom]

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or he came up with one that just happened to actually exist.

LOL! That reminded me of "It doesn't sound like Michael so it has to be Michael" :lmao:

And why are you so intent on putting MJ down all the time??

 

[Arklove]

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I also enjoy the other seven songs, particularly Best of Joy and Much Too Soon. To me, Best of Joy is sacred.

The reason I said I have more sadness because it will forever change my perception of a Michael Jackson album going forward. Before the Breaking News fiasco, I was like a child so eager for my Christmas present. You know, you waited and waited and counted days and imagined what the album would sound like. I had butterflies in my stomach when I heard the Breaking News snippet before the inital streaming. Then, reality hit. I finally realized the magic is gone for good.

Will I be as excited next Christmas? Will I look forward to my present as much? I don't think so. It's sad because of the loss of innocence and the loss of anticipation.

This album gave me so much to look forward to last year. The anticipation filled up the void left after Michael's passing. For me, it's a kind of escapism. I tried to forget about the reality. I looked at it as Michael's 11th studio album.

Now, I realize there is no more 11th studio album. Invincible was the final one. Everything is going to be cash-in attempts from this point on. Everything becomes uglier. I never like the sound "posthumous album"; although, I find myself reminding myself a lot these days that this album is indeed a posthumous album, just to lower my expectation.

The voice in the Cascio tracks is so foreign to me...It's like a different language I can't understand...lol...I was quite excited to hear BN....When I heard the voice though, my stomach churned...I was up the entire night (I heard the song at 10 pm that Sunday night)...and was a zombie all day at work...That entire week was just a mess....I couldn't believe what I was hearing and I was just disgusted...I didn't even hear Monster until I bought the album; I had only heard a small snippet before and it sounded nothing like Michael and I couldn't listen to it when the entire thing was leaked...When I heard it on the album, it was literally BN all over again....KYHU..same thing...It was like a blow to the head three times in a row....Complete opposite of what I felt hearing the 3 REAL leaked tracks....I mean, the feeling I had listening to those songs...THAT'S the feeling you should have when listening to an unheard Michael Jackson song....

Best of Joy has become one of my all time favourite Michael songs....It is that classic MJ magic....So unique, full of heart, and joy....:wub:

This all could have been done right.....It's a shame what is going on...

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I was quite excited....

interesting

 

[Arklove]

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interesting

:nono:

 

[Worldwide]

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But he did hack it, that's how he got all the unleaked JM stuff + screenshots? Even told me how. So what's up, WW?

I'm talking about this Fake Jason on youtube, facebook and twitter. He's not making himself "believable", as in he is a fail troll. Have you seen his english?

"OK,You Know Me
I'm a singer, songwriter, and a big fan of Michael Jackson
always loved his music since childhood I'm here
also you can find me on facebook "

and

"If you want you can add me, comment me, send me some message, I'll answer all...thanks "

Over here in the UK we would call him a "freshie", a non english speaker. When I placed the messages on Facebook and his website, a lot of people were convinced it was Jason himself posting. But with this guy, you can instantly tell it's a fake account

 

[love is magical]

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I stand corrected. But it's not in any of the dictionaries I've ever used, and I'm a translator, so either MJ used a very rare word, or he came up with one that just happened to actually exist.

Besides, it's well-known that MJ made a ton of grammatical mistakes all the time. He said "Sometime" instead of "Sometimes", and "The Place Without No Name" is a terrible double negative. He was also a terrible speller.

Are you seriously telling us that a word can be found on Merriam-Webster is not on any "dictionaries" you've ever used?

I wonder what dictionary you use. The Cascio dictionary?

It's not uncommon to see grammatical errors in song-writing. I don't know how you based your conclusion that Michael Jackson was a terrible speller. The amount of hand-written notes, lyrics, letters from Michael is minimal.

What's your point anyway? Let's say Michael was a terrible speller. Is there any correlationship between skill as a song writer and ability to spell correctly?

The guy was super intelligent. You can tell he's very well read by the way he talked.

The song writing of KYHU is just confusing. A woman working two jobs while looking for a job. "Killing up" the life of birds and trees and sucking up the air down under. Wishing love will come here today. It seems the song-writer combined three different songs into one. Which other Michael Jackson song was that lousy?

What's the issue with make-up words anyway? Isn't "google it" a make up term? Language is ever changing and revolving. The important issue is whether the song carries a message and whether the song is meaningful.

If Michael Jackson only wrote Will You Be There, I would still regard him a great song writer.

Geez... it seems you get a kick knocking down Michael.

 

[Pentum]

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I'm talking about this Fake Jason on youtube, facebook and twitter. He's not making himself "believable", as in he is a fail troll. Have you seen his english?

"OK,You Know Me
I'm a singer, songwriter, and a big fan of Michael Jackson
always loved his music since childhood I'm here
also you can find me on facebook "

and

"If you want you can add me, comment me, send me some message, I'll answer all...thanks "

Over here in the UK we would call him a "freshie", a non english speaker. When I placed the messages on Facebook and his website, a lot of people were convinced it was Jason himself posting. But with this guy, you can instantly tell it's a fake account

I know his a fake, both Twitter and youtube (havent seen facebook). He even blocked me on his youtube channel today.

Listen to his "voice" video - "You think the voice is Michael, you think the voice is Michael". It's suppose to be Jason singing that, but it sounds like some chinese guy trying to "sing" English. "Jo tink dis voice is maaaikal".

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