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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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mjjesamor said:
Ivy i wrote the letter 'f' and the letters 'bs' a couple of times, i think you are greatly exaggerating my 'cursing'
And i do still find your tone very patronising and condescending.
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And I find your "f" and "bs" insulting and disrespectful


samhabib said:
The emboldened quoted parts (which are Ivy's words) are personal comments about 'other' members. THAT'S the HUGE difference.
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that's NOT my comments about other people - that's my comment about ME (it starts with I'm old and ends with I'm human for god's sake) - I said before that I'm doing a PhD and I say because of that I rather approach a discussion from an intelligent scientific and logical approach. And aren't some of you complaining about "my education" and "legal/business jargons" that I bring? and now you complain that I repeat what you said? that's hilarious! That (criticism) is what I'm referring to when I say "my education and experiences".

This is what I said about other members " I also think that this thread is highly intellectually intriguing and there are some wonderful people (with opposing ideas) that raise such interesting points and can motivate me to investigate and to learn more. "

I called other people "wonderful" that can raise "interesting points" and make this thread "intellectually intriguing".

Really people should read better.
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Didn't read your post, but I saw you mentioned Jason. When did he say he had nothng to do with the tracks.
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once in estate statement and once through his manager Thad. It's completely fine to speak through your representatives.
 
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About the first BN mix - yes, it sounds exactly the same. Maybe a bit lower quality, but you can't really tell. The lead vocal might've been increased a bit louder.
 
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And I just wanna point out that not only will singing in a shower change your voice to the point where fans aren't able to recognize it anymore, but sitting down while you sing isn't gonna change your voice either.

Michael was sitting down when he sang to Oprah so, that theory's out of the question.
 
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ivy said:
that's NOT my comments about other people - that's my comment about ME (it starts with I'm old and ends with I'm human for god's sake)

Really people should read better.
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I should read better? Here's your quote:

ivy said:
Personally speaking I think I have a different approach then some. First of all I'm old :p , with my education and life experience I rather discuss issues intelligently.
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That's not JUST about you. It's you compared to 'some'. Which is insulting.

Either way, it's plain to see for anyone who cares. You can delete my posts but that doesn't make that comment any better.

And then there are some fans who say that I'm insulting? But can't provide an example of a similar insult.

Back to the topic - I asked for a poster to provide a Michael Jackson song that sounds like 'All I Need' last night. Did we get one?
 
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Singing in the shower?? Really now? And, we're being berated for calling out 'bullshit' and 'nonsense' excuses?? I'm going to call it like I see it....

No, it's called looking at things for what they really are....It's called not getting duped into everything you've been told..
 
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If the vocals really are Michael's but done in bad quality then that's another reason why the cascio songs never should have made onto the album. Michael would have never released an album with bad quality vocals. Michael always released music with the best quality.
 
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I have lots of MJ stuff recorded in low quality. Still sounds like Michael like any other human being. Record something with your crappy phone and ask your friend if it still sounds like you.
 
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Sorry I guess I missed it - where's the logical explanation that "singing sitting down in a tiled shower wouldn't affect the voice"?

I just see "liars / I don't believe it", "excuses" and "wouldn't happen".

Put yourself in your "unbiased" evaluating alternatives mindset, for a moment assume that Michael indeed sang in a tiled shower sitting down and let's discuss the possible outcomes of this environment.

for example I'm sure that Bumper would mention any environment wouldn't change your pronunciation - and he'll be right.

I'm quite intrigued I must add. I especially wonder if/how to remove the reverb etc and what kind of effect would such processing have on the recording?

but sitting down while you sing isn't gonna change your voice either.
Michael was sitting down when he sang to Oprah so
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true - as far as I can tell sitting down won't change your voice , it affects the ability to do high notes

Mikaeel101 said:
And I just wanna point out that not only will singing in a shower change your voice to the point where fans aren't able to recognize it anymore,
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apparently it would make your voice have more bass, echo, blurring and reverb. I don't know how much that would cause a difference. Like I said I'm more curious about outcome of removing such "tiled shower stall" effects - in other words what if they used melodyne to correct such things what happens.
 
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analogue said:
If the vocals really are Michael's but done in bad quality then that's another reason why the cascio songs never should have made onto the album. Michael would have never released an album with bad quality vocals. Michael always released music with the best quality.
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According to some fans the Cascio songs are better than a lot of Michael Jackson's previous work.
 
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ivy said:
Put yourself in your "unbiased" evaluating alternatives mindset, for a moment assume that Michael indeed sang in a tiled shower sitting down and let's discuss the possible outcomes of this environment.
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I just did, and there is no way it will make MJ sound like another human being. I'm going to try recording myself in the same situation as Michael.
 
Arklove said:
Singing in the shower?? Really now? And, we're being berated for calling out 'bullshit' and 'nonsense' excuses?? I'm going to call it like I see it....

No, it's called looking at things for what they really are....It's called not getting duped into everything you've been told..
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I actually spent time reading a lot of musician / home recording forums. It seems like "shower vocal booth" isn't that far fetched. There's several guides to transform a shower to a vocal booth - such as adding carpets, removing tiles, mirrors, adding materials, panels etc to make the room appropriate. (none of which was done in this instance).

They state a shower vocal booth is a "disaster" in its current stage and they recommend "a closet with clothes" and "an empty room" as better sounding alternatives to a shower vocal booth.

and our home basement studio was a good sized room with soundproofing, panels on the walls with fillers inside and rugs on the walls. apparently there was a reason for it. anyway I'm quite intrigued as I said, I find this interesting.

Pentum said:
I just did, and there is no way it will make MJ sound like another human being. I'm going to try recording myself in the same situation as Michael.
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nobody says it will make you sound like another human being , it won't (and Jason sounds "similar yet different" right?)

there are 2 questions

1. it will cause some difference , how much is that? (I'm sure it wouldn't account to "another human being", so no need of convincing me of that. I already agree with that)

2. what will happen if we try to remove that difference/ effect with a editing software? What effect will that have on the vocals? (such as if we remove reverb from the vocals with melodyne does it distort the vocals and if yes how much?)

I'm much more intrigued about the second part. Because this is not only a "shower voice" but an "edited/highly processed shower voice".
 
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Tom said:
No way did Michael SLEEP in the Cascio basement.
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LOL, sure not. At the Cascios, a basement is only used for music recording.

Michael slept in the doghouse with his choco lab :)
 
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Interesting new info. Finally some new info to discuss about.

Thank you for being a beacon of reason, Ivy! I wish I had your stamina.
 
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You bring up very good points, Ivy. An "edited-showed voice", removing most of the echo inside the shower could potentially alter the voice.
 
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ivy said:
2. what will happen if we try to remove that difference/ effect with a editing software? What effect will that have on the vocals? (such as if we remove reverb from the vocals with melodyne does it distort the vocals and if yes how much?)

I'm much more intrigued about the second part. Because this is not only a "shower voice" but an "edited/highly processed shower voice".
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Okay, I'll be sitting here waiting for someone to do that. I'm not sure how to remove the reverb.

Still, whatever you do to the vocals you have, you will never be able to make it sound like the voice of the cascio singer.

For the believers, these vocals are seriously raped to death. Poor vocals.
 
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Pentum said:
About the first BN mix - yes, it sounds exactly the same. Maybe a bit lower quality, but you can't really tell. The lead vocal might've been increased a bit louder.
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Do you still have the original? can you post it somewhere so some people can hear the so-called "drastic difference?" or should i say "drastic sameness"
 
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I have one, which was uploaded maximum a few hours after the premiere.

If I remember corretly, they didn't "change the mix" until a day after or two?
 
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Jesta said:
An "edited-showed voice", removing most of the echo inside the shower could potentially alter the voice.
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There it is again - 'It doesn't sound like Michael Jackson hence it's Michael Jackson.'
 
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ivy said:
It seems like "shower vocal booth" isn't that far fetched. There's several guides to transform a shower to a vocal booth.
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And Eddie chose not to mention this on Oprah because...?
 
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Pentum said:
I have one, which was uploaded maximum a few hours after the premiere.

If I remember corretly, they didn't "change the mix" until a day after or two?
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ya, that's true. they didn't "change it" until after their was an uproar for a few days. Let us hear it! :)

some of the believers say that the reason they don't trust their initial reaction is because AT FIRST, it didn't sound like michael, but then when sony uploaded the "new mix" they could tell it was actually michael.

So if the "new mix" and the "old mix" turn out to be--oh, i don't know--EXACTLY THE SAME, maybe they'll be able to make a more informed decision about these tracks.
 
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I'll try messing up MJ vocals on Smile live from LWMJ using Melodyne, removing reverb, altering it, raping it.
 
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I'm so sick and tired of this whole situation.
What could make a difference (at least to me) would be an in-depth interview with Eddie Cascio where he'd explain the creative process and recording of each song in detail. He failed to do that for 16 weeks (4 months) even though there's been a lot of controversy. If the songs are real, IMO he should be fighting for his and his friends (MJ) good name. As of now, he comes off as VERY insincere and VERY vague when talking about the songs - contrary to i.e. Lenny Kravitz, Will.I.am, Akon or Neff-U. It's even more surprising when you realize he's a nobody in the music industry, while the others are well established. It should be the other way around. If I were him, I'd go everywhere to promote the music and talk about my experience of working with the KOP himself.

I'd also love to hear from John McClain. His side of the story would be priceless, especially as - and contrary to what many peps accuse him of - he's not longing for the spotlight. He didn't attend the launch party in NYC and didn't participate in the recording of this new video with producers who contributed to the album. He was against the Cascio tracks being on the album, but couldn't do anything about it. Why is that? I guess he might be dominated by Branca, who's great pals with Sony Music and the rest...
Also, I did try to contact McClain through Marvin's Room management but never heard back from them.

BTW, I find it so disgusting when Teddy Riley laughed at JM for wanting to work on songs for months. Your work Riley is beyond amazing, Michael would be so proud to know you worked on each song for "Michael" for a few hours.
 
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azsummergirl said:
ya, that's true. they didn't "change it" until after their was an uproar for a few days. Let us hear it! :)

some of the believers say that the reason they don't trust their initial reaction is because AT FIRST, it didn't sound like michael, but then when sony uploaded the "new mix" they could tell it was actually michael.

So if the "new mix" and the "old mix" turn out to be--oh, i don't know--EXACTLY THE SAME, maybe they'll be able to make a more informed decision about these tracks.
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Link: http://www.mediafire.com/?82ug1m4mjm1nnd0
 
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@samhabib, I didn't say that, stop twisting my words to fit your opinion. It sounds like Michael Jackson to me, and the fact that his vocals were recorded in a shower could explain the type of editing that went into the songs.
 
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Does anyone else find it strange that if we are to believe eddie mj slept on the floor in the basement alone for 4 months?
 
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mjjesamor said:
Does anyone else find it strange that if we are to believe eddie mj slept on the floor in the basement alone for 4 months?
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lol you feel Frank Cascio gives off gay vibes too? :p

I always knew Halperin was right!
 
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Alec said:
I can confirm this is the same version that streamed online November 8th.
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It's exactly the same vocal that's on the finished CD.

Where's AnnieRUOkay? Have you heard this? What part is different to the final version??? Can you pinpoint where the vocals alter for us???
 
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