Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Pentum]

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Cant people just accept that these tracks are Michael done in bad quality? because using the Jason comparison videos doesn't prove anything because we all hear something different

 

[mjjesamor]

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No we can't accept it larry.
Why would michael jackson record on crappy equipment sitting in a shower? Just lol! If michael jackson did do that no doubt he was only messing with some friends and he would be absolutely mortified that the result went onto an album. Abolutely mortified. So michael jackson sat in a shower with a pvc pipe singing 'they wanna see me fall coz i'm mikuul jacksuun!!!' I guess he recorded all the tracks in the shower so because they all sound like someone else.
Ivy i wrote the letter 'f' and the letters 'bs' a couple of times, i think you are greatly exaggerating my 'cursing'
And i do still find your tone very patronising and condescending.

 

[larry141094]

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No we can't accept it larry.
Why would michael jackson record on crappy equipment sitting in a shower? Just lol! If michael jackson did do that no doubt he was only messing with some friends and he would be absolutely mortified that the result went onto an album. Abolutely mortified. So michael jackson sat in a shower with a pvc pipe singing 'they wanna see me fall coz i'm mikuul jacksuun!!!' I guess he recorded all the tracks in the shower so because they all sound like someone else.
Ivy i wrote the letter 'f' and the letters 'bs' a couple of times, i think you are greatly exaggerating my 'cursing'
And i do still find your tone very patronising and condescending.

I didnt say that...

I simply said, that the quality is not MJ standard, and in a way i agree that they should not be on the album, but that does not detract from the fact that the songs are him

 

[barok232]

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No we can't accept it larry.
Why would michael jackson record on crappy equipment sitting in a shower? Just lol! If michael jackson did do that no doubt he was only messing with some friends and he would be absolutely mortified that the result went onto an album. Abolutely mortified. So michael jackson sat in a shower with a pvc pipe singing 'they wanna see me fall coz i'm mikuul jacksuun!!!' I guess he recorded all the tracks in the shower so because they all sound like someone else.
Ivy i wrote the letter 'f' and the letters 'bs' a couple of times, i think you are greatly exaggerating my 'cursing'
And i do still find your tone very patronising and condescending.

I just saw that in this "making of "michael"" video. MJ recorded in the shower? :wild: HAHAHA :doh:

By the way,

does anyone know how we call the "Michael" release of Sony's Epic records? An EPIC FAIL :cheeky:

 

[mjjesamor]

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Larry , i'm not saying you said that. I was asking questions abd trying to get across why the shower thing is just another excuse as to why michael doesn't sound like michael. Can i ask uou now can you really see michael in a shower recirding breakin news?
I mean what exactly is eddie's point? That michael tried to sabotage his own vocals and make them sound bad on purpose?

 

[larry141094]

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You realise that your going on very terrible evidence for your hypothesis,

Reasons why it's not Michael:

1. SOME of the Jacksons say it isn't (Janet has said nothing, and frankly i trust her the most)

2. He sounds different and someone claims its Jason Malachi and your ears agree with that.

3. ... oh wait, thats it

Reasons why it IS Michael on the tracks:

1. It's credited to him (thats common bloody sense)

2. 10+ people who have worked with him recently say it's him (I suppose you think that's excuses too)

3. The Cascio's are witnesses to the recordings (Honestly saying they are lying will mean we cant count the testimony of anyone, and the Jacksons have a bad track record, the Cascios were trusted by Michael more than his OWN FAMILY)

4. Jason Malachi has denied involvement with the recordings (If he's lying then to me thats just excuses, innocent until proven guilty)

5. 2 forensic audiologists conclude that the tracks are Michael (Whether they are lying does not detract from the fact that the tracks were not complete and had heavy editing)

6. Sony had no reason to spend money on 11 tracks from a family "claiming" to know Michael Jackson if the tracks were fake, Millie Vanillie is a good example of what happens to Record companies after something like that.


Coming and saying it's not him because your ears say its not, is not a valid excuse.

BTW IMO i think Behind The Mask is FAKE and has an imposter singing in it

 

[Pentum]

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Didn't read your post, but I saw you mentioned Jason. When did he say he had nothng to do with the tracks.

 

[samhabib]

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Somehow this is supposed to be politer than me using the term 'bullshit'??? 'I rather discuss issues intelligently' because of 'my education'? Get over yourself! That's ruder than anything I've ever posted. 'With my education'??? Hilarious. If your education leads you to believe Michael Jackson is on those tracks, you can keep it.

The 'wrong mix' excuse is complete bullshit because the vocals were exactly the same. Pentum's got the 'original mix' and guess what? The vocals are identical. That's when a 'logical explanation' becomes an 'excuse'. When it's found out to be nothing more than a cover-up.

So Michael is recording in the shower, now??? What is that about? Who's going to believe that? In the shower?

And AnnieRUOkay adds nothing to the debate other than the occasional condescending post telling people how to debate. She rarely offers her own opinion. And we now know her own opinion has gone through one huge paradigm shift without an explanation. So work that one out, if you can.

Excuses. That's all I've heard. A whole series of them. Yet the audio still sounds the same. Funny that.

Just read the emboldened quoted parts again. And compare that to my posts. My posts are in relation to the discussion. The emboldened quoted parts (which are Ivy's words) are personal comments about 'other' members. THAT'S the HUGE difference.

Is that clear now? Good.

 

[mjjesamor]

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The link to that video where eddie says michael recorded in the shower isn't working. I could do with a laugh... Anyone know where i can watch it? I wonder was eddie pressing the buttons in the shower too?

 

[samhabib]

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The link to that video where eddie says michael recorded in the shower isn't working. I could do with a laugh... Anyone know where i can watch it? I wonder was eddie pressing the buttons in the shower too?

In the shower. While sitting down.

Are we supposed to believe that the greatest vocalist of the last century would sit down and record 12 songs - be more productive than he had been in about 10 years - knowing that his diaphragm would be compressed? Maybe people forget what kind of a vocalist Michael Jackson was?!?

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He was a master.

And we're supposed to believe he recorded 12 demos sitting in a shower? You need a legal education to believe that one?

 

[mjjesamor]

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Yep sam the excuses...or shall i say 'reasons' are getting more and more ridiculous.

 

[Pentum]

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He said he recorded background vocals in the shower and the actual songs in the room - am I correct? Eitherway, nothing he recorded is in the Cascio songs.

Eddi Cascio in this new intereview: You know... I had what I had and got the job done.

 

[if.it.aint.broke.break.it]

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Yes, and the next album will be called The Household Sessions, where Michael records one song in every room in the house.

No we can't accept it larry.
Why would michael jackson record on crappy equipment sitting in a shower? Just lol! If michael jackson did do that no doubt he was only messing with some friends and he would be absolutely mortified that the result went onto an album. Abolutely mortified. So michael jackson sat in a shower with a pvc pipe singing 'they wanna see me fall coz i'm mikuul jacksuun!!!'

I'm waiting for the next excuse where Michael fell in the shower, someone random wanted him to fall over, and he shouted as he fell "Cos I'm Michael Jackson!!!''. That hee-hee cracks me up every time. It's so bad I shouldn't even laugh but I do.

He'd be absolutely disgusted at this piece of tripe. I know he would and anyone who knows how he recorded his music - not with PVC pipes, not with Melodyne, not with Autotune - would find the excuses just mindblowing. And, uh, why would you have a PVC pipe just randomly lying around in a bathroom? You wouldn't.

Cant people just accept that these tracks are Michael done in bad quality? because using the Jason comparison videos doesn't prove anything because we all hear something different

You can hear what you like - everyone hears differently. But from what I'm hearing, Michael is nowhere on those tracks except for maybe 10% of the entire three. Hee-hees, owwws and little ad-libs. That's it. Nowhere else.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Hahahahaha! This Cascio makes me laugh man! "In the shower" now? Looooooool. He never mentioned that on Oprah.

What did he sing exactly in the shower? "I'm siiiinging in the rain...?"


Lol, lol, lol.

Can you imagine MJ singing in the shower with a pvc pipe. Michael must have done some serious plumbering job in their house.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Cascio's studio:

 

[samhabib]

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He never mentioned that on Oprah.

Probably because the studio audience would have thrown rotten tomatoes at him for trying to insult their intelligence.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Probably because the studio audience would have thrown rotten tomatoes at him for trying to insult their intelligence.

Lol. Eddie is hilarious, he really is. How did he even come up with such an idea? Lol!

 

[Tony R]

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Hahahahaha! This Cascio makes me laugh man! "In the shower" now? Looooooool. He never mentioned that on Oprah.

What did he sing exactly in the shower? "I'm siiiinging in the rain...?"


Lol, lol, lol.

Can you imagine MJ singing in the shower with a pvc pipe. Michael must have done some serious plumbering job in their house.

Singing in the shower? Bobby Ewing is James Porte's manager?

There's a definite Dallas theme going on.

Are we gearing up for a 'Who Shot JM?' cliffhanger?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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Yes, and the next album will be called The Household Sessions, where Michael records one song in every room in the house.

In other words, they must have 12 different rooms.
Mmmmwwwuahahahaha; I'm in hysterics!

I'm waiting for the next excuse where Michael fell in the shower, someone random wanted him to fall over, and he shouted as he fell "Cos I'm Michael Jackson!!!''. That hee-hee cracks me up every time. It's so bad I shouldn't even laugh but I do.

He'd be absolutely disgusted at this piece of tripe. I know he would and anyone who knows how he recorded his music - not with PVC pipes, not with Melodyne, not with Autotune - would find the excuses just mindblowing. And, uh, why would you have a PVC pipe just randomly lying around in a bathroom? You wouldn't.

What? YOu don't have a pvc pipe next to your shower? But, but... everyone has it. It sounds so obvious.

Look for example, the other day I ordered a few, I am very happy with them. It's for my personal collection. I sometimes use them when I want to sing.

You can hear what you like - everyone hears differently. But from what I'm hearing, Michael is nowhere on those tracks except for maybe 10% of the entire three. Hee-hees, owwws and little ad-libs. That's it. Nowhere else.

Well, Porte was credited as well as Michael, so it's legit. Besides, the audiologists told you that your ears are malfunctioning, so you must hear Michael, it can't be otherwise.

 

[Pentum]

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Didn't read your post, but I saw you mentioned Jason. When did he say he had nothng to do with the tracks.

Well?

 

[Worldwide]

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No we can't accept it larry.
Why would michael jackson record on crappy equipment sitting in a shower? Just lol! If michael jackson did do that no doubt he was only messing with some friends and he would be absolutely mortified that the result went onto an album. Abolutely mortified. So michael jackson sat in a shower with a pvc pipe singing 'they wanna see me fall coz i'm mikuul jacksuun!!!' I guess he recorded all the tracks in the shower so because they all sound like someone else.
Ivy i wrote the letter 'f' and the letters 'bs' a couple of times, i think you are greatly exaggerating my 'cursing'
And i do still find your tone very patronising and condescending.

"we" as in ALL MJ fans everywhere on the planet, or "we" meaning just yourself and a couple of other members here. Seriously some of you need to be taught some manners, you don't need to asslick, but you don't need to insult other people as well.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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You realise that your going on very terrible evidence for your hypothesis,

Reasons why it's not Michael:

1. SOME of the Jacksons say it isn't (Janet has said nothing, and frankly i trust her the most)

2. He sounds different and someone claims its Jason Malachi and your ears agree with that.

3. ... oh wait, thats it

Reasons why it IS Michael on the tracks:

1. It's credited to him (thats common bloody sense)

2. 10+ people who have worked with him recently say it's him (I suppose you think that's excuses too)

3. The Cascio's are witnesses to the recordings (Honestly saying they are lying will mean we cant count the testimony of anyone, and the Jacksons have a bad track record, the Cascios were trusted by Michael more than his OWN FAMILY)

4. Jason Malachi has denied involvement with the recordings (If he's lying then to me thats just excuses, innocent until proven guilty)

5. 2 forensic audiologists conclude that the tracks are Michael (Whether they are lying does not detract from the fact that the tracks were not complete and had heavy editing)

6. Sony had no reason to spend money on 11 tracks from a family "claiming" to know Michael Jackson if the tracks were fake, Millie Vanillie is a good example of what happens to Record companies after something like that.


Coming and saying it's not him because your ears say its not, is not a valid excuse.

BTW IMO i think Behind The Mask is FAKE and has an imposter singing in it

LOL! So Janet said nothing and for you it means that she think it is Michael singing? What if she says it is not him? Will you still hear Michael on those tracks or will you start trashing Janet as well?

It's not because someone doesn't say anything that the person agrees with the official statement.

Didn't read your post, but I saw you mentioned Jason. When did he say he had nothng to do with the tracks.

Never lol. Jason posts videos of himself on youtube singing a cappella, but is unable to post a video saying it is not him on those tracks.

Well?

I'm afraid that you're going to wait for a long time before you get your answer.

 

[Worldwide]

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Never lol. Jason posts videos of himself on youtube singing a cappella, but is unable to post a video saying it is not him on those tracks.

I'm afraid you need to do your research, firstly, he did not post them himself, other people did. And those videos are 2 years old, videos posted in 2008 on Yahoo videos. That's if you bothered to even check. Lmao. HA!

 

[barok232]

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"we" as in ALL MJ fans everywhere on the planet, or "we" meaning just yourself and a couple of other members here. Seriously some of you need to be taught some manners, you don't need to asslick, but you don't need to insult other people as well.

That's what you think? "Michael" hardly sold two million copies worldwide (hey, like your username!) because "a couple of members" boycotted?

With all due respect, you must be a new fan who has never experienced the pandemonium an MJ release brings

 

[mjjesamor]

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Just watched the video. Some lovely parts. I cried when neff-u played the tape of michael talking. I must say though the commentary at the start made me want to throw up. As for eddie... Could he be any more vague? I just get a bad feeling when he talks. As on oprah eddie offered absolutely zero evidence that michael recorded an album in his studio. I cringed when i heard the imposter sing the absolutely ridiculous line 'killin up the life...' iI get the impression from eddie that he spent many many years pestering michael to record with him. I had to lol when eddie referred to 'other great producers' as if he were one himself.
When say 'we' obviously i refer to the many thousands of fans all over the world that do not accept that these tracks are authentic. You know the 7 thousand plus that signed the petition... Hardly an insignificant amount.

 

[Pentum]

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I'm afraid you need to do your research, firstly, he did not post them himself, other people did. And those videos are 2 years old, videos posted in 2008 on Yahoo videos. That's if you bothered to even check. Lmao. HA!

Actually, the first video is posted on yahoo is from "Jason". Might be Jason Malachi himself, the address seems to be correct too.

The other video is obviously a video he wanted to surface on the interenet. "Just to clear up all the doubts", something he should do again.

 

[Worldwide]

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Actually, the first video is posted on yahoo is from "Jason". Might be Jason Malachi himself, the address seems to be correct too.

The other video is obviously a video he wanted to surface on the interenet. "Just to clear up all the doubts", something he should do again.

^ Still they were not posted on youtube by him

 

[if.it.aint.broke.break.it]

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In other words, they must have 12 different rooms.
Mmmmwwwuahahahaha; I'm in hysterics!

Nah they've got 12 bathrooms and that's it.

What? YOu don't have a pvc pipe next to your shower? But, but... everyone has it. It sounds so obvious.

Look for example, the other day I ordered a few, I am very happy with them. It's for my personal collection. I sometimes use them when I want to sing.

There ya go! I have a machine that puts my voice through melodyne when I sing, melodynes my harmonica and then I'm happy with the new songs so I destroy the masters, making sure I submit them to the copyright office on the 26th!!!

I also make sure to have a goat vibrato while I'm at it.

Well, Porte was credited as well as Michael, so it's legit. Besides, the audiologists told you that your ears are malfunctioning, so you must hear Michael, it can't be otherwise.

I hear Michael, man. I hear him. I hear him so well. He's there. He's there...Sony told me so. Ah they're so full of shit.

Eddie is tripping himself up.

 

[Pentum]

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^ Still they were not posted on youtube by him

Yes, but meant, at least one of them, to surface.

 

[Tom]

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No way did Michael SLEEP in the Cascio basement.