Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

"For the most part I hear Michael on these songs."

So when Aniram hears the vibrato, it's suddently not MJ anymore? She just said "for the most part". So yes, she said some parts isn't MJ to her. And why do you reply for others? I'm sure Aniram would be able to give a fair reply.

No, when the vibrato comes in, it isn't normal Michael anymore. But it isn't Jason Malachi either. When I listen to him sing he sounds clearer, less vibrato-y, more like Michael usually sounds.

However, in my post I said that I heard in the DEMO of Monster that the vibrato parts fade out to the point where you can't hear them in places. In others, they're brought up, but not throughout the entire song. If you listen carefully, you'll notice parts where the vocals are mixed differently and you can tell they aren't right.

Obviously some processing NEEDED to be done to these tracks to keep the volume consistent, the key and time consistent, etc. I think the vibrato could be chopped and processed, completely robotic for all we know. TO ME, it doesn't sound like Jason Malachi. The vibrato seems really messed up to me, almost inhumanly shaky sometimes...

I said in my post that you can hear this very well in All I Need, because of how clear his vocals are. Yet, All I Need is still Michael Jackson to me. A beautiful song and I don't know how anyone could hate it if they knew it was really Michael.

 

[ivy]

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actually I was thinking wasn't Sony the one that made the song decisions? And Cascio songs made the cut even though McClain didn't want them? I wonder if the contract with Sony gives them the option to select the songs and estate cannot do much about it. anyway food for thought.

 

[Pentum]

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TO ME, it doesn't sound like Jason Malachi. The vibrato seems really messed up to me, almost inhumanly shaky sometimes...

It's just not possible. I mean, when you listen to my Let Me Go - Monster comparison, it's just not possible that to you, the singer on Monster doesn't sound like the singer on Let Me Go - Jason Malachi. I don't get it.

 

[love is magical]

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actually I was thinking wasn't Sony the one that made the song decisions? And Cascio songs made the cut even though McClain didn't want them? I wonder if the contract with Sony gives them the option to select the songs and estate cannot do much about it. anyway food for thought.

Exactly. Who has the final say? Does Sony need the Estate's final approval?

 

[Aniram]

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Jason does a really good job at sounding like Michael on Let Me Let Go... Of course, it's not perfect, but it's such a safe song that even you and I could sing it... It's like showing me a Jean Walker clip and saying, "When he says 'The way you make me feel' doesn't that sound a lot like the person singing in The Way You Make Me Feel?!?! Hmmm... I think it's Jean Walker and not Michael!"

Everyone loves to use Monster as the example, but turn away from when I mention All I Need or Stay... Monster, indeed, sounds the most flat vocally, but I don't think I've even heard Michael do a song that fast in years. Have you?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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I realize there's around 20-30 websites listed however I think as everyone could tell those listing based on only a few people's (mostly owners) opinion and is not representative of the whole member base.

I remember Kapital posting a screenshot of voting from one the websites listed, it had only 76 votes and it was divided in 70-30%. Look to MJJC poll with 200+ votes and divided results so how can you take a stand (for either side) and claim that it represents everyone?

I know that several other more bigger MJ forums were asked to join but they rejected as their members didn't share a common opinion but actually was divided. It wouldn't be fair to either side to lump them into an opinion they didn't share.

ps: that petition also approaches the subject from one perspective only. what about the other fans that don't doubt and love the songs?

So put yourself in the estate's position you have a group of people that's against the songs and another group that aren't against the songs. What would you do? generally you cannot make everyone happy.

7 496 people have signed this petition. The signatures originated from 6 465 different IP addresses.

http://www.petitions24.com/?page=statistics&petition=michael

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Wow, out of the millions of Michael Jackson fans online.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Wow, out of the millions of Michael Jackson fans online.

Were you aware of this petition before today?

So thik about all those millions as well.

And it's 1000% more than what Ivy suggested.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It may have been mentioned before, but I wouldn't have clicked on it... You know my thoughts! I just posted them.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Jason does a really good job at sounding like Michael on Let Me Let Go... Of course, it's not perfect, but it's such a safe song that even you and I could sing it... It's like showing me a Jean Walker clip and saying, "When he says 'The way you make me feel' doesn't that sound a lot like the person singing in The Way You Make Me Feel?!?! Hmmm... I think it's Jean Walker and not Michael!"

Everyone loves to use Monster as the example, but turn away from when I mention All I Need or Stay... Monster, indeed, sounds the most flat vocally, but I don't think I've even heard Michael do a song that fast in years. Have you?

Actually, IMO, Stay is the worst onr. The voice timbre is so off. The pronounciation is not right. The singing is mediocre. There is no element from the song that screams Michael Jackson.

I admit I have a hard time with All I Need. To me All I Need is the best one among the five leaked/released Cascio tracks.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Everyone loves to use Monster as the example, but turn away from when I mention All I Need or Stay... Monster, indeed, sounds the most flat vocally, but I don't think I've even heard Michael do a song that fast in years. Have you?

Both of those bullshit songs sound even worse than Monster. When did you think Michael Jackson became a weak-ass, limp vocalist who couldn't sing two lines together??? 'You are all I need... in my life...' - play that shit and then play 'Childhood'. And then try and tell me that the vocalists are the same people. 'All I Need'! God give me strength!

 

[Worldwide]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It's just not possible. I mean, when you listen to my Let Me Go - Monster comparison, it's just not possible that to you, the singer on Monster doesn't sound like the singer on Let Me Go - Jason Malachi. I don't get it.

Of course Monster doesn't sound like JM. and the reason why doubters think the vibrato ain't mj's. it's because the vibrato was stretched and cut & paste with melodyne, (yes you can stretch the end of a verse with it) lol.

To me the ow at the beginning of Breaking News First verse comes from "Xscape". I layered and mixed the acapella of BN on it, and it sounds exactly the same

MJ Breaking Escape.mp3

 

[ivy]

7 496 people have signed this petition. The signatures originated from 6 465 different IP addresses.

http://www.petitions24.com/?page=statistics&petition=michael

Were you aware of this petition before today?

So thik about all those millions as well.

And it's 1000% more than what Ivy suggested.

ah bumper bumper - you are better reader than that..

did I ever mention how many people signed the petition? No.

I said that we see website's names but that doesn't mean all their members agree with such stand - in other words for example MJFrance name is listed and I said most probably NOT ALL members agree on the subject.

I gave an example which I said is a "screenshot of voting from one the websites listed" - again not all of the website or everyone signed the petition- which based on 76 votes and was divided. It wasn't to show how many people signed the petition - it was to show how many people on the websites listed gave an opinion on the subject.

Then I gave the example of our own poll in MJJC with 200+ votes that's divided - we have 10,000 active users (68,000 members). So would it be fair for us to say "MJJC supports this" with only 200+ votes out of possible 10,000?

In short what I said was "such polls or such petitions is not representative of the whole member base".

Edit : this was what I was referring to. 76 votes out of 33,000 members and it's divided to 60-40%.

In the Mjhideout forum (Spanish forum) the answer about how many fans thinks the vocals are fake? IS CLEAR :

60,26 % Thinks it´s not MJ in the Cascio´s tracks.
23,08 % Thinks it´s MJ in the Cascio´s tracks.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Comparing Childhood, a song Michael said is his most honest and personal and autobiographical song ever, and All I Need, a demo among hundreds, that he wrote nearly a decade later... What?!

I'm not saying he turned into a limp singer. Of course not. I only said the vibrato really sounds off, and I think Monster sounds flat because a) it's a demo and b) it's the fastest song we've heard from him in over fifteen years. I say Michael could have sounded flat. You say there's no way Michael could have sounded flat, that they're bullshit, it's obviously Jason Malachi.

Also, don't you think Jason would have gone a little more out on these songs?

They had at least a few months to record these vocals, didn't they? To fake them? Jason's like 'Oh, I'm a little rusty...'

Sony's like 'Oh, that's fiiiiiine, Jason!!! You don't have to sound like Michael, make sure your vibrato is like a goat when you sing, that's what Michael sounded like! Good lad!'

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Comparing Childhood, a song Michael said is his most honest and personal and autobiographical song ever, and All I Need, a demo among hundreds, that he wrote nearly a decade later... What?!

Translation: All I Need doesn't sound like a Michael Jackson song, hence, it is a Michael Jackson song.

Unreal! When is this going to end? When are you going to stop clutching at straws???

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Your translation is horrendous. You are twisting words again, samhabib... What the hell?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Sony's like 'Oh, that's fiiiiiine, Jason!!! You don't have to sound like Michael, make sure your vibrato is like a goat when you sing, that's what Michael sounded like! Good lad!'

Translation: 'I know it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson, Sony know it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson, hence, it's Michael Jackson'.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Stop, really, it's pathetic. You're twisting what I said to fit your bias. I was being obviously sarcastic and you take it literally?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Stop, really, it's pathetic. You're twisting what I said to fit your bias. I was being obviously sarcastic and you take it literally?

No. You're claiming that All I Need can't be compared to ANY other Michael Jackson song in existance but that doesn't mean it's not a Michael Jackson song?!? Think about that for a minute. Why can't you compare All I Need to any other Michael Jackson song... why is that?????

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well, I was simply pointing out that I think Childhood was sang with all of his heart and soul, one of his most beautiful and creative melodies ever, and no, I don't think All I Need is as good as Childhood, but it doesn't mean All I Need isn't a beautiful song! And it doesn't mean it's not Michael Jackson or that it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson! See my point???? They're completely different songs from completely different times in his life.

 

[mjjesamor]

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Hi Aniram.
Here is a little reminder of how Jason's vibrato sounds just singing in his living room....
Isn't it a mad coincidence that Jason's natural vibrato here sounds exactly the same as the one you describe in 'monster' as as really messed up and almost inhumanly shaky sometimes? ... It's incredible how here Jason sings exactly like the voice on 'fakin news'. Amazing, i mean what are the chances statistically that this is a total coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006P1H73GnQ

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well, I was simply pointing out that I think Childhood was sang with all of his heart and soul, one of his most beautiful and creative melodies ever, and no, I don't think All I Need is as good as Childhood, but it doesn't mean All I Need isn't a beautiful song! And it doesn't mean it's not Michael Jackson or that it doesn't sound like Michael Jackson! See my point???? They're completely different songs from completely different times in his life.

Just one song. Just point me to ONE song that Michael Jackson ever recorded that sounds like that bullshit song. Just one song. Name it?

 

[Tony R]

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Just one song. Just point me to ONE song that Michael Jackson ever recorded that sounds like that bullshit song. Just one song. Name it?

Breaking News?

 

[Aniram]

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I have heard that Jason Malachi acapella a thousand times... I don't hear the same vibrato? :/

I can say bullshit, too!!!

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I have heard that Jason Malachi acapella a thousand times... I don't hear the same vibrato? :/

I can say bullshit, too!!!

One song. One Michael Jackson song that sounds like All I Need?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The point is that All I Need is an unreleased rough demo from a really random period of time.

Childhood was right after/during the time Michael had trained and rehearsed and spent hundreds of hours on Dangerous and HIStory!

What other song sounds like Cheater or Fall Again? I think each era had a very unique, definable sound, while still remaining Michael Jackson. I don't think he usually wrote music that sounded the same as music he wrote before.

 

[mjjesamor]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I have one word for you Aniram. Denial.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The point is that All I Need is an unreleased rough demo from a really random period of time.

Translation: "I can't find one Michael Jackson song that sounds anything like All I Need"

Are you seeing this?!?!

What other song sounds like Cheater

Dangerous and Streetwalker to name two of the top of my head.

or Fall Again?

Someone Put Your Hand Out

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

What a lovely contribution to the thread.

samhabib, those are all stretches. Streetwalker I'll accept(a b-side from the same exact session), but Someone Put Your Hand Out and Fall Again? No way in hell... But like I said, you prove my point that each era has a unique sound. You chose songs that sound similar from the same era. Ha!

edit: btw, if you were about to bring up how Dangerous is not from the same era as Cheater, I know it's reworked from Streetwalker. However, Cheater sounds absolutely NOTHING like Dangerous. What set of ears are you using?

 

[Arklove]

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SPYHO and Fall Again are VERY similar, what set of ears are YOU using? And, they're not from the same era.