Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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You're welcome. There's plenty more where that came from

I can't wait. :wild:

 

[Aniram]

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If Samhabib and Bumper quit posting in this thread, what would happen? Would it end? Or would love is magical and Arklove continue to speak to one another? Perhaps... Tsukiji and Pentum...

I noticed Bumper posted a comment the other day about how Jason Malachi said he could sound exactly like MJ if he wanted to. Well, obviously he can't if these doubters claim it sounds 'nothing like MJ'.

For some reason Jason's voice sounds even more trained than these tracks,... Plus, Jason had been recording in a professional studio for years, why suddenly is he using this "goat" vibrato when he was toning it down a lot? When you listen to his stuff on Critical, his vibrato is not as "goat"-like, and I think that sound on the album could be because of the weird enhancing they had to do to keep consistent volume and key and time.

For the most part I hear Michael on these songs. However, I have always admitted that the vibrato is off. Something like that is going to obviously stand out to everybody... All we can do is go by what we hear.

When I heard the demo of Monster from TAK or whoever, I hear that the lead vocals fade out too early in a lot of parts and in the final version they are enhanced and the vibrato is brought up louder and could be possibly dragged out.

All I Need is such a beautiful song, and the vibrato parts almost seem robotic to me, like they are added... They have a strange echo and weirdness to them, unlike anything I've heard Jason do or Michael do.

So I'm thinking this could be some sort of weird processing that the industry could have and we don't know about? Keep in mind that they're using the latest technology. Maybe it was the only way...

Again, I state, I hear Michael Jackson in these songs, and it only sounds off during the vibrato parts, which I explained a couple reasons why they might sound that way(not excuses). He does sound a little flat in Monster, but I think Jason Malachi would have put a lot more of his heart into it if he was REALLY trying to sound like Michael Jackson and there'd just be more energy.. It sounds very rough demo to me. The effect on the vocals sometimes makes my ears ache... Too much processing perhaps? Still, I hear Michael Jackson.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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If Samhabib and Bumper quit posting in this thread, what would happen? Would it end? Or would love is magical and Arklove continue to speak to one another? Perhaps... Tsukiji and Pentum...

I noticed Bumper posted a comment the other day about how Jason Malachi said he could sound exactly like MJ if he wanted to. Well, obviously he can't if these doubters claim it sounds 'nothing like MJ'.

Obviously he can as it is on an official album of Michael Jackson.

He does sound a little flat in Monster, but I think Jason Malachi would have put a lot more of his heart into it if he was REALLY trying to sound like Michael Jackson and there'd just be more energy.. It sounds very rough demo to me. The effect on the vocals sometimes makes my ears ache... Too much processing perhaps? Still, I hear Michael Jackson.

It's absolutely not Michael's voice timbre, that's why it sounds flat.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

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If Samhabib and Bumper quit posting in this thread, what would happen? Would it end? Or would love is magical and Arklove continue to speak to one another? Perhaps... Tsukiji and Pentum...

We're the last bastion. You can count in Tony R and Tom as well as AnnieRUok and Ivy and some others who regularly pop in.

 

[Aniram]

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I know, but they usually just pop in to counter something one of you guys is saying anyway!

 

[ivy]

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I know, but they usually just pop in to counter something one of you guys is saying anyway!

I'll try to get a new hobby

 

[Aniram]

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It's fine, you guys, haha! I was just kidding. I enjoy reading everyone's opinions it just does seem a bit redundant after bit.

 

[Tom]

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We're the last bastion. You can count in Tony R and Tom as well as AnnieRUok and Ivy and some others who regularly pop in.

Woo I got a mention :wild:

 

[azsummergirl]

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I love the post where someone broke out what parts and percentages of BN are michael, and which aren't. i've seen this in the forum before.

to me, it sounds like the ENTIRE song is sung by one person. That one person is clearly the same person who sings on the other cascio tracks, monster, and kyhu, and the unreleased track stay. they sound like exactly the same person.

these songs are not 50.1% michael jackson. they're not 16% michael jackson. they're 0% michael jackson. for me, he's not on these tracks.

You guys feel that these songs are cut and pasted with some parts michael, some parts impostor? really? doesn't it seem to make more sense that maybe the impostor is just better at singing some parts of the song than others? he can just get closer to michael with certain lines, that's all. it's not "mixed in with real mj vocals." that theory just seems ridiculous to me. it's all or nothing, black or white. it's him or it's not cuz it's the same person on every track. and whoever it is, it's not michael jackson.

 

[Mikaeel101]

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Regadless of the autheticity of these vocals, I wonder what the Estate are thinking about all the commotion on the MJ forums.

We were all supposed to be excited and pumped for Michael's new album in over 10 years, but no, all we did was waste 2 months discussing how pittiful his vocals sound.

Sad... just sad.

 

[Aniram]

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This thread is quite controversial indeed... :|

 

[Aniram]

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@Mikaeel101: They're probably just counting their dollars and have moved on to the next project to make money off of. / sarcasm

 

[Moon__Walk]

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Regadless of the autheticity of these vocals, I wonder what the Estate are thinking about all the commotion on the MJ forums.

We were all supposed to be excited and pumped for Michael's new album in over 10 years, but no, all we did was waste 2 months discussing how pittiful his vocals sound.

Sad... just sad.

I know, Its absolutely terrible...

 

[azsummergirl]

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ok i listened to the acapellas of monster. i haven't listened to monster in weeks because i hate hearing it. all i can say is:
a) it's still an imitator
b) "mama say mama got you in a zig zag" makes me cringe. ughghggh, i feel like i need to drown that out of my brain.

have the acapella versions swayed anyone's opinion? either way?

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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I love the post where someone broke out what parts and percentages of BN are michael, and which aren't. i've seen this in the forum before.

to me, it sounds like the ENTIRE song is sung by one person. That one person is clearly the same person who sings on the other cascio tracks, monster, and kyhu, and the unreleased track stay. they sound like exactly the same person.

these songs are not 50.1% michael jackson. they're not 16% michael jackson. they're 0% michael jackson. for me, he's not on these tracks.

You guys feel that these songs are cut and pasted with some parts michael, some parts impostor? really? doesn't it seem to make more sense that maybe the impostor is just better at singing some parts of the song than others? he can just get closer to michael with certain lines, that's all. it's not "mixed in with real mj vocals." that theory just seems ridiculous to me. it's all or nothing, black or white. it's him or it's not cuz it's the same person on every track. and whoever it is, it's not michael jackson.

I'm thinking about this from a doubters perspective, It's not that complicated to mesh false vocals with real ones. Some doubters and believers can agree on one thing, parts of these songs ARE Michael, legitimately, the problem is, according to doubters, majority of the song, isn't him. The theory isn't ridiculous at all, in fact, that would be something one can say that Sony, The Cascio's, or whoever you blame, would do. Wouldn't that be the thing that would help put the vocal analysis results, in Sony's favor? Wouldn't that make it easier for them?


I don't believe Malachi can sound identical to Michael, in any circumstance. There's nothing to support it, sure you have his own statement, BUT, that's equal and in the same class as Thad Nuden/Malachi's denial claim, isn't it? If you don't believe that, I don't see how you can believe he can sound identical to Michael, solely because he said so.

 

[love is magical]

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If Samhabib and Bumper quit posting in this thread, what would happen? Would it end? Or would love is magical and Arklove continue to speak to one another? Perhaps... Tsukiji and Pentum...

We're the last bastion. You can count in Tony R and Tom as well as AnnieRUok and Ivy and some others who regularly pop in.

I know, but they usually just pop in to counter something one of you guys is saying anyway!

I'll try to get a new hobby

Woo I got a mention :wild:

Tom, the gifs.... whew....

@ bumper and alanna, look at the gifs to see what 2000 watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, too strong really mean... :wub:

if sam, bumper, ivy, alanna and company stop posting, i'll have a serious withdrawal issue. so, guys, don't stop till you get enough...

keep partaayyyyinggggg.....

 

[ivy]

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good point.

There's something I cannot wrap my head around either (and I wrote this before)

According to doubters:

Either Cascios faked the vocals and fooled Sony/musicians/experts or Sony fake the vocals and bought everyone or this is a huge scheme that everyone is in together. They came up with the perfect fraud that cannot be proven for certain.

Yet the vocals used are so obviously not Michael for people with functioning ears, a good majority of the people can see this, vocals show Jason's trademarks and the lyrical content is questionable. It other words songs from all perspectives are crap.

when you add them all together the main argument is that "They pulled the perfect fraud with such an obviously imperfect product". To me this is such an oxymoron, a paradox that I cannot really understand.

I mean I saw Jason being quoted saying that "if he tries to sound like Michael we wouldn't be able to tell". Okay fine so then is the argument that whoever hired Jason, paid him a good amount of money to buy his silence but yet said "dude don't try to sound like Michael we'd like people to be able to listen to songs and say it's Jason". If Cascios had the ability to fool a lot of people and/or if Sony has the means to do whatever they want , why wouldn't they be able to come up with a better fake? Why would we have low quality recordings with copy paste from tracks with snorts etc? Were they saying "ehh forget that we are committing fraud, we don't have to care about the quality, let's add little things there that would spark debates/conspiracy"?

wouldn't "a better, almost perfect fake" be more logical as they had the ability and means? better fake, less to none suspicious people , no controversy, higher sales, not tainted future albums?

 

[Arklove]

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Woo I got a mention :wild:

Tom, the gifs.... whew....

@ bumper and alanna, look at the gifs to see what 2000 watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, too strong really mean... :wub:

if sam, bumper, ivy, alanna and company stop posting, i'll have a serious withdrawal issue. so, guys, don't stop till you get enough...

keep partaayyyyinggggg.....

I won't stop posting...I love you guys too much :heart:

And, the gifs.....:naughty: Michael, you NAUGHTY boy :shifty:

hahaha...look the guy in the second gif...FAIL! :wtf:

:lol:

 

[love is magical]

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good point.

There's something I cannot wrap my head around either (and I wrote this before)

According to doubters:

Either Cascios faked the vocals and fooled Sony/musicians/experts or Sony fake the vocals and bought everyone or this is a huge scheme that everyone is in together. They came up with the perfect fraud that cannot be proven for certain.

Yet the vocals used are so obviously not Michael for people with functioning ears, a good majority of the people can see this, vocals show Jason's trademarks and the lyrical content is questionable. It other words songs from all perspectives are crap.

when you add them all together the main argument is that "They pulled the perfect fraud with such an obviously imperfect product". To me this is such an oxymoron, a paradox that I cannot really understand.

I mean I saw Jason being quoted saying that "if he tries to sound like Michael we wouldn't be able to tell". Okay fine so then is the argument that whoever hired Jason, paid him a good amount of money to buy his silence but yet said "dude don't try to sound like Michael we'd like people to be able to listen to songs and say it's Jason". If Cascios had the ability to fool a lot of people and/or if Sony has the means to do whatever they want , why wouldn't they be able to come up with a better fake? Why would we have low quality recordings with copy paste from tracks with snorts etc? Were they saying "ehh forget that we are committing fraud, we don't have to care about the quality, let's add little things there that would spark debates/conspiracy"?

wouldn't "a better, almost perfect fake" be more logical as they had the ability and means? better fake, less to none suspicious people , no controversy, higher sales, not tainted future albums?

I actually never believe Jason Malachi or any other impersonator can sound identical to Michael Jackson. Jason or whoever can sound really close but none of them can sound identical to Michael Jackson as there was, is and always will be only one Michael Jackson.

Pentum mentioned about the snort. IMO, the snorting is part of that singer's breathing pattern. So, it doesn't matter how many times he's asked to re-record the vocals, he'll keep making that snort involuntarily. As unstable as Teddy has become, Teddy is right on one thing - nobody can scream like Michael. The ad libs from Earth Song is so distinctive. Michael's phrasing is so skillful. Michael's falsetto is so unique. The way Michael conveyed emotion is like no other. Sam's post about Remember The Time is so spot on. The song doesn't sound particularly challenging. But, it's just goddamn difficult to sing along. Michael Jackson was one truly talented exceptional vocalist. Actually, can't nobody sing like Michael Jackson. That's why so many of us are doubting the Cascio tracks. The sparks and the trademarks of Michael Jackson vocals are so alarmingly absent from the Cascio tracks. `

I'm a doubter. Until now, I still have no idea what truly happened. What I know is there there is something really off about those songs.

 

[love is magical]

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I won't stop posting...I love you guys too much :heart:

And, the gifs.....:naughty: Michael, you NAUGHTY boy :shifty:

hahaha...look the guy in the second gif...FAIL! :wtf:

:lol:

i know... lol... what the f*&k is he shaking? his man boobs?

 

[ivy]

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@love is magical

I understand that but then how could this be the "perfect fraud"? How would they fool experts and musicians and with so obvious differences why couldn't it go to trial? I'm just thinking out loud about this paradox.

ps: do you realize that Jacksons had a twitter rant for a week and then gave up their fight for Michael's legacy (or moved on to other stuff) and we are the only ones left discussing this? Man I really need a new hobby I guess

 

[love is magical]

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@love is magical

I understand that but then how could this be the "perfect fraud"? How would they fool experts and musicians and with so obvious differences why couldn't it go to trial? I'm just thinking out loud about this paradox.

ps: do you realize that Jacksons had a twitter rant for a week and then gave up their fight for Michael's legacy (or moved on to other stuff) and we are the only ones left discussing this? Man I really need a new hobby I guess

Nope. I don't know about the Jacksons twitter. Actually, I don't follow anyone's twitter. I'm no fan of twitter. h34r:

You need a new hobby once Sam stops posting. lol...

 

[azsummergirl]

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I'm thinking about this from a doubters perspective, It's not that complicated to mesh false vocals with real ones. Some doubters and believers can agree on one thing, parts of these songs ARE Michael, legitimately, the problem is, according to doubters, majority of the song, isn't him. The theory isn't ridiculous at all, in fact, that would be something one can say that Sony, The Cascio's, or whoever you blame, would do. Wouldn't that be the thing that would help put the vocal analysis results, in Sony's favor? Wouldn't that make it easier for them?


I don't believe Malachi can sound identical to Michael, in any circumstance. There's nothing to support it, sure you have his own statement, BUT, that's equal and in the same class as Thad Nuden/Malachi's denial claim, isn't it? If you don't believe that, I don't see how you can believe he can sound identical to Michael, solely because he said so.

i don't believe a single note of this song is sung by michael jackson. besides the cut/paste hees and aooows, etc.

I agree that having real michael vocals would make vocal analysis results more in sony's favor. too bad they didn't have any. they haven't even shown us their results anyway, so who knows.

i don't believe malachi can sound identical to michael jackson. he's proved that. no part of the cascio tracks sounds identical to michael jackson to me. SOME parts sound more similar to michael than others. can jm sound SIMILAR to michael? sure. that's what he does. but i don't think michael's anywhere on this track.

and that's the difference between the doubters and believers anyway. i don't believe jason can sound similar to michael based on what he's SAID, i believe he can sound similar based on my EARS. i trust myself. similar, not identical.

im just saying, it's less of a stretch to believe that mj's nowhere on this track than to believe that it's him for a few words, then an impersonator, then michael again, because the entire song sounds like it's sung by the same person. a person who's not michael. and because it sounds identical to the voice on all of the other cascio tracks.

oh, and love_is_magical you should totally get on twitter it's pretty much the greatest web site ever, besides youtube and maybe wiki. it feeds my internet addiction.
much love. good night

 

[Mikaeel101]

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"If Jason really tried, we wouldn't be able to tell."

Yea okay. I'd love to hear Jason try and hit the notes Michael was hittin on Earth Song, I'd love to see him try.

Keep bein quiet Sony, keep bein quiet Jason. I don't know when, but this whole things gonna blow up eventually. Eventually Sony Execs are gonna have to do interviews where they talk about the next album and address this contraversey before moving on to the next one. There's no way their gonna ignore die hard fans like this, it's immature and silly.

 

[ivy]

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You need a new hobby once Sam stops posting. lol...

naah I already have an alternative for Sam.

Tell me that you won't stop and Bumper is disappointing me - no long posts anymore and Tom and Arklove those gifs (Especially the second one) is really making it hard for me to focus on the subject at hand. It makes me confused and think that I'm at the manhood thread

 

[Arklove]

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naah I already have an alternative for Sam.

Tell me that you won't stop and Bumper is disappointing me - no long posts anymore and Tom and Arklove those gifs (Especially the second one) is really making it hard for me to focus on the subject at hand. It makes me confused and think that I'm at the manhood thread

An alternative for Sam? You'll have to get through us first

Oh, those gifs....You can't ignore the force :fear:

 

[love is magical]

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alanna, we need to crawl back to the manhood thread. if we keep drooling over the force, we gonna drive away the guys... h34r:

 

[Pentum]

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For some reason Jason's voice sounds even more trained than these tracks,... Plus, Jason had been recording in a professional studio for years, why suddenly is he using this "goat" vibrato when he was toning it down a lot? When you listen to his stuff on Critical, his vibrato is not as "goat"-like

The goat vibrato is all over Critical. Don't force me to make a goat-compilation. The goat vibrato may be a little worse on the first album, Relevation. The vibrato is - IDENTICAL - to the one in the Cascio songs.

and I think that sound on the album could be because of the weird enhancing they had to do to keep consistent volume and key and time.

You are right about the weird enchancing on some of the songs on the album. Songs like Critical and How I Do has this weird thing going on. Like in "Stay".

For the most part I hear Michael on these songs. However, I have always admitted that the vibrato is off. Something like that is going to obviously stand out to everybody... All we can do is go by what we hear.

That must suck for you to think "I am listening to Michael Jackson right now with some parts not being Michael, but another person trying to sound like him, woho!".

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Aniram never said some parts aren't Michael, he/she said the vibrato is off. Again, that can be due to the melodyne/autotune, and the processing, logical reasoning, but it'll be interpreted as nothing more than an "excuse".

 

[Arklove]

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alanna, we need to crawl back to the manhood thread. if we keep drooling over the force, we gonna drive away the guys... h34r:

naw....the boys have way too much fun in here, me thinks