Michael - The Great Album Debate

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On a personal note, the only drawback of the article is that it dates back to 14th NOVEMBER 2010!!! I must add that I'm still waiting for that proof as claimed by the article

I remember calling this possibly a "publicity stunt" due to this information. (if they were able to provide proof then they would have been fueling the controversy intentionally) However now I don't think such "proofs" exists. aa look biased myself were able to accept an alternative perspective other than I started with.
 
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@worldwide, even in that DIY acapella of Monster the vocals sound pasted together as in the BN acapella.

To me the words "walls" and "fall" sound like they are sung separately and then merged with the existing words to "form" a sentence.

That's because the song was cut and paste from various takes together, they selected the best ones I think then merged them together.

Heres diy acapella for part of the second verse
Monster 2nd verse part diy acapella.mp3

I think i can hear Michael singing the background effect (the oh oh oh oh) while hes saying everywhere you seem to turn there's a monster, and at 16 seconds to 19 seconds I can hear Michael sing a background vocal effect through a PVC pipe. So I think they weren't lying when they said he sang background effects through a pipe lol

But they gunnin for the money so they fake it makes me lol a bit.
 
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Like I said it wasn't a perfect legal example. I don't know if there's a specific law about it either. If we were to go with simple math 51% would be enough to be considered as lead hence the word "technically". I guess I should have been more clear.

I said the point wasn't about determining percentages (as it's not a perfect example like I mentioned). The point is if required can we put our beliefs, opinions aside and decide based on a set of predetermined rules?

In other words if the law said "51% is satisfactory" can you put aside " I have to feel him or he has to sing this line" aside and say "yes it's 51% and therefore it's him"? - This is all hypothetical of course.

again I want to express that this is not a debate about the "vocal controversy" or I'm not offering any explanation (in other words I'm not saying Michael sing 51% hence it's okay) - all are hypothetical examples-, it's simply about "bias" that we all have.

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In a court of law objective scientific tests such as DNA, fingerprint, forensic audiologist reports will have more weight than other kinds of evidence because they would use predetermined methods and "do the math" and come to a conclusion. They wouldn't have " I think" , "I believe", "I hear", "I feel" attached to them - hence "objective".

The next will be "educated opinions" based on the level of knowledge and credibility.

If, and only if, the predetermined rule or law said "50.1% is satisfactory" and it's proven with hard evidence that Michael was in 50.1% of the song, I'd sadly set aside my "I don't feel him" argument and accept the song becasue of what the law said.

But still, I don't understand how am I bias if I only want to feel enough of Michael Jackson on a Michael Jackson song? :scratch:
 
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If, and only if, the predetermined rule or law said "50.1% is satisfactory" and it's proven with hard evidence that Michael was in 50.1% of the song, I'd sadly set aside my "I don't feel him" argument and accept the song becasue of what the law said.

But still, I don't understand how am I bias if I only want to feel enough of Michael Jackson on a Michael Jackson song? :scratch:


Hello :)
 
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That part makes me :puke:


am watching UFC now. Jiu Jitsu's my favoite technique, as I did it when I had time, I have green belt.
 
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I remember calling this possibly a "publicity stunt" due to this information. (if they were able to provide proof then they would have been fueling the controversy intentionally) However now I don't think such "proofs" exists. aa look biased myself were able to accept an alternative perspective other than I started with.


Speaking about being biased, why do we have a biased title to this thread? None of the doubters want the controversy to continue, but to find out the truth.
 
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am watching UFC now. Jiu Jitsu's my favoite technique, as I did it when I had time, I have green belt.

Ah, good for you! ;) Kick ass Bumper!

EDIT: I KNOW you saw I typed 'kiss' first lol
 
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I do have conviction however I'm also humble. I just don't go around and say "I'm right and you are all wrong" or belittle people by naming their posts "excuses or nonsense" or comment about their hearing or act like I'm perfect without error. I think I'm a bigger person for acknowledging "they have a valid point", they raise "interesting points" and what they argue is "possibility" even though I strongly disagree with their opinions. I'm in a place in my life that I can say "I don't agree with you but I respect you" and mean it.*



well Porte doesn't sound like Michael and I don't think that he's trying to sound like Michael.*
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see below*

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just read what you wrote above quote- you have a bias about a song not being 100% Michael. Technically speaking 51% means lead vocals, almost equal distribution of vocals (around 50%) means duet, less than 50% means "featuring", however you do not consider such as "MJ songs" as it doesn't satisfy your requirements.*

Assume this was a lawsuit (won't be a perfect example) and the judge said "if the vocals account to 51% you must conclude that he sang the lead". Now you might believe a lead vocal needs to be 80-90% - and that's fine. However a non biased determination would require putting your personal belief aside and comparing it to 51%.*

again this is not about counting percentages and showing one side to be correct or not. My point is solely based on bias. Even though samhabib liked to deny the human nature - all of us are biased in every subject due to our beliefs and personal experiences. But the question is can we put our bias aside? For example in law a jury isn't a group of non-biased people , it's a group of people that can put their bias, beliefs, opinions aside and can decide based on a written set of rules and directions.

This is just your latest line of excuses. 'Bias'?!? It's just complete nonsense. It's just complete, irrelevant nonsense.*

What are you hearing? That's what matters. Like I mentioned earlier, the discrepancy between these tracks and legitimate Michael Jackson tracks is absolutely huge! So huge that to believe it's Michael you have to believe in a million and one excuses.

Here's a test for you. Point out the parts where 'James Porte' is singing on these tracks for us. As you're able to decipher which part he's singing. Please... tell us what parts he sings???
 
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Ah, good for you! ;) Kick ass Bumper!

EDIT: I KNOW you saw I typed 'kiss' first lol

Did you mean kick ass? :D
LMAO!!!!!!!!
 
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dammit!!! :no: I just keep shooting myself in the foot now...

Ok, I'm DONE in here...lol

Both feet
 
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Hey, that wasn't even my interpretation...I didn't figure that out myself ;)

I didn't say that, I was just setting the mood referring to your previous post :D
 
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I didn't say that, I was just setting the mood referring to your previous post :D

Well, I'm in a mood, but not THAT mood ;) Now, you're just getting me mad....:western:
 
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Well, I'm in a mood, but not THAT mood ;) Now, you're just getting me mad....:western:

You started it :cheers:
 
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Uhh, no my friend...YOU did...I've got my eye on you :ninja:

I never mentioned:
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............... Is this for real? lol
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

............... Is this for real? lol

In this thread anything is possible, that's the beauty of it :cheeky:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So? Your ridicule provoked me....I was trying to compliment you!! :lol:

Thanks for the compliment. :D
 
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am watching UFC now. Jiu Jitsu's my favoite technique, as I did it when I had time, I have green belt.
:D:D:D

I'm a 2nd dan black belt. JJ rules.
 
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This is just your latest line of excuses. 'Bias'?!? It's just complete nonsense. It's just complete, irrelevant nonsense.*

I'll just quote the above and bold some parts. I'm sure you'll be able to get what I'm trying to say.
 
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This thread now has me running just to escape it
 
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