kreen;3996975 said:
[this is in reply to Birchey's post]
Well, regarding scenario 1, e.g. the absence of proof. Why are there no pictures of MJ recording those songs? Why no outtakes?
The thing is, we do know MJ was in that basement studio AT LEAST to record some lines for the Thriller 25 project. So either they DO have pictures/video of MJ in that basement studio, but it would prove nothing, since those might just be from the Thriller 25 project, and not indicate he ever recorded those 12 additional songs. Or they DON’T have any pictures/video of MJ in that basement, which still doesn’t prove he never did record with them, since we know he really did, at least for the Thriller 25 tidbits.
The other thing is that, at the height of the controvery, Eddie did register with the US Copyright Office something called « MJinstudio » or something of the sort, and it is visual material. We’ve just never seen it.
The Cascios had a ready Studio upstairs in their house. They may have used that for recording Thriller 25, would make sense rather than a "makeshift" Studio that wasn't even built according to this guy........
"I knew that Michael was helping [Eddie Cascio] build a studio at his house and that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.” ― Lenny Armuth (Eddie Cascio's college soccer coach).
The registered materail of "MJ in the studio" was a Photograph, it says so on the registration, the only photograph ANYONE has seen from Eddie is the one he showed on Oprah, now under the pressure he was not only after the album release but before from people MJ had worked with, he produced nothing else. The photo is nothing like a studio, a couple of bits of foam on the wall which would have done nothing to the sonics, Why settle for this when they had a ready studio setup upstairs?
kreen;3996975 said:
As for the absence of outtakes, I don’t know. The idea that Eddie ever said that he had lost/deleted all of those outtakes is just hearsay from one of MJ’s nephews. We don’t know if Eddie ever said that, or even if he did, he might have just been messing with the guy’s head. If anything, again, it’s fair to think he must have SOME audio of MJ in that studio : Michael did record some stuff for Thriller 25 with him, and it’s hard to imagine that, in all of the years Eddie had a studio, including the few weeks MJ spent with them in 2007, Eddie wouldn’t have SOME SORT of audio of MJ.
Eddie did claim it, everyone in "that meeting" can confirm that, I can't say much more right now but Eddie fell flat on his face when presenting a "broken" hard drive to them.
kreen;3996975 said:
As for scenario 2, that to me is another puzzling difficulty. You could walk up to Jason Cupeta’s house right now if you wanted. Same thing with Eddie, or at least his parents’ home. You and me could go out right now and have lunch at his father’s restaurant in New Jersey. All of those addresses are public. So that is part of what is difficult to understand about the « hoax theory » : how could all of those regular people, from regular walks of life, and who didn’t even know each other before hand, how could they all have managed not to spill the beans, if only inadvertently, over 4 years. Eddie, James, Jason, their wives/girlfriends, their buddies in clubs : nobody has leaked a single email, nobody has been caught on a cellphone, drunkenly boasting that « they fooled those idiots at Sony, man ».
Eddie knew of Jason Malachi, the TMZ news about the Mamacita track being MJ broke whilst MJ was at Eddies house, being that MJ was computer illiterate and somehow managed to receive this news points to Eddie or a Cascio family member being the guy who found it on TMZ. Either way they knew of it. hows that? Malachi an MJ vocal "impersonator" and Eddie finds out about him whilst he and MJ are supposed to be recording this stuff? Plus the tracks were done on a Laptop, and probably taken back and fourth from Stewart Brawleys studio for safe keeping by Eddie.
kreen;3996975 said:
So you have two « absences ». You have the absence of any evidence that would prove it is indeed MJ on the songs : no video, not outtakes, no pictures. But you ALSO have the even more puzzling absence of incriminating evidence of the hoax, which shouldn’t be so hard to come by.
I guess the main questions to answer now are the following :
1- What is it exactly that Eddie Cascio registered with the Copyright Office 48 hours after MJ’s death? Jason Malachi’s voice, already? But he didn’t know MJ was going to die, so why would he have an impersonator singing those songs already? Or maybe he did register audio material with MJ’s voice on it. But is it what eventually appeared on the album?
He registered a series of Songs he wrote for Michael, lets look at this again...................."and that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.” ― Lenny Armuth (Eddie Cascio's college soccer coach).
kreen;3996975 said:
2- Why did the Jacksons not pursue any legal action regarding those songs, when we know that they believe they are fake, and that they don’t like the Estate, and even think they’re illegitimate? Why was Prince Jackson not brought before a judge to say, “I was there with my dad in that summer in 2007, and I don’t recall him ever mentioning he was recordings new songs with Eddie Cascio”. How hard is it to prove someone didn’t actually record 12 songs in a studio, when you live with them?
Because it wasn't their place too, it was for the Estate too, and we know what bully tactics Branca can push on people and we know Branca was a massive supporter of this. The kids have spoken, I know what they have said about the issue and I know what they will do once they have the Estate.
kreen;3996975 said:
3- What of those forensic tests that were supposedly done? Unless one believes that the Estate/Sony purposely and knowingly released 3 fake songs (which I don’t believe at all), one must assume that they really did do what the Estate’s statement says they did : they hired a couple of « music forensic experts » and got some tests done. And they must have been satisfied with the results. But what were the results?
There were no tests done, the statement released was a lie from the first sentence to the last, proof of this will come in due course.See during my course case, once my Lawyer read that statement by Weitzman first thing he said was "Who are these experts" if they are not named the document does not matter, simple as.
kreen;3996975 said:
So what can be done about all of this? Aside from the illegal (hacking into Eddie/Jason’s computers, stalking them to get some incriminating statements from them), what could be done, it seems to me, is :
1- Contact the people listed in the Estate’s statement as having confirmed the Cascio singer is MJ and ask them if it is still their opinions now. I see Damien Shields is in contact with Brad Buxer and Michael Prince. What do they think now? Is it MJ or not?
2- Raise money and hire a lawyer. I refuse to believe that millions of MJ fans can’t raise enough money to get something going.
3- Get some scientific comparisons done on our part. And publish those results.
4- With the backing of a lawyer or of an expert’s opinion, pressure the Estate into giving more information about the songs.
All been looked into, a couple of avenues are open but hopefully in time (its always time, I know) but this stuff will come out. You'll find out if MP and Brad have spoke on the case very soon I hope.
kreen;3996975 said:
If there are 3 fake MJ songs on iTunes right now and the Estate knows it, no more product from them should be bought until that mistake is fixed. A boycott of the sort, especially when they’re promoting a new product like Xscape, might be just noisy enough for them to be forced to finally settle this one way or another.
It would have been perfect if, in the lead up to the release of Xscape – meaning right now – we could have come up with a forensic comparison disproving the songs are authentic. It would have made an impact.
See, if we didn't make the noise we did, if we didn't keep this background buzz, so the folks from Sony and Angelikson who lurk in this thread (want Angeliksons username they used in 2010/2011?) didn't see that5 they can't get away with it again, we might well have seen Burn Tonight, Water and Soldier Boy on Xscape!
But as for evidence or witness testimony we have at the time these events were going on in 2007 I come back to this one last time.
"I knew that Michael was helping [Eddie Cascio] build a studio at his house and
that he was writing some songs for Jackson. I thought it was great that Jackson was helping him.” ― Lenny Armuth (Eddie Cascio's college soccer coach).
Eddie wrote Michael songs, Michael passed before ever touching them, Eddie knew of Malachi and knew he had already fooled TMZ and alot of the world. Stewart Brawley was blacklisted by Michael as he leaked Xscape, Michael never wanted to work with him again, but he had the vocals they needed to "complete" their fakery and was hired by Angelikson, not the estate or sony, this trio worked together to **** over anyone they could for profit, no morals, no nothing.
