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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Aniram said:
THEY'RE FAKE!
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IvoDT said:
So, after hearing some of JM's horrible christian pop/rock song snippets and listening to some cascio tracks afterwards, I suddenly (finally?) made the connection between the two. Everytime I hear a cascio song and/or the vocals, I hear the same horrible voice trying to sing but being unable to stay on key. It seems not listening to these cascio songs for a long time and only listening to MJ songs makes me able to get a fresh look on the songs.

Yup, it took long, but I no longer feel these songs are MJ. There's too much wrong with them.

The whole reason it took so long was that I never could accept that the Estate/Sony would ever release fake songs in whatever way. But, knowing they said none will ever be released and them trying to bury the subject as fast as possible, I'm convinced even they didn't know at first that the songs weren't MJ. So yeah, thought I would let you guys know as I remember the old discussions I've had in this thread with many of you.
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Regarding the post Pentum quoted about the vaults:

There definitely are more unfinished songs in the vaults than finished. But there are still a considerable amount of releasable lying around. Between sixty and one hundred, without a doubt.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Regarding the post Pentum quoted about the vaults:

There definitely are more unfinished songs in the vaults than finished. But there are still a considerable amount of releasable lying around. Between sixty and one hundred, without a doubt.
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In MJ's own words, he litterally writes and records around 120 songs fore EACH album. I wonder where all his songs have gone.

p.s. Hi Aniram; welcome back :)
 
Willy said:
I'm starting to lose hope that the truth will see the light of the day. I mean, it's been three and a half years since the beginning of this mess and the fraudsters are fine. Time is on their side. The ATU project's failure kind of killed it for me. I will never forget about it though.
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This sad realization is one I have also come to. This will never be 'revealed' in any way. Only a few thousand people probably really care about this. The rest of the world doesn't care, or doesn't believe it. From now on until the end of time, those three songs will remain a rotten, dark blemish on MJ and the Estate's legacy and that pisses me off majorly.
 
The worst part is, I honestly don't even believe MJ had anything to do with these songs. There is 0% chance it's him singing and I don't even believe he wrote them or was even working on them. I think that perhaps the Cascios worked on these songs with the idea/hope of MJ collaborating on them and it obviously never came to fruition. They probably even got an MJ soundalike in before he died, so they could show Michael how the songs might sound (R Kelly did the same thing when he wrote songs for MJ).

It's a ****ing disgrace what they did. Fans did not overact. The worlds largest record company got an impersonator to imitate the worlds biggest pop star and tried to pass it off as the real deal. It sounds like the work of a deluded conspiracy theorist, but it actually happened. Truth is stranger than fiction.
 
MattyJam said:
The worst part is, I honestly don't even believe MJ had anything to do with these songs. There is 0% chance it's him singing and I don't even believe he wrote them or was even working on them. I think that perhaps the Cascios worked on these songs with the idea/hope of MJ collaborating on them and it obviously never came to fruition. They probably even got an MJ soundalike in before he died, so they could show Michael how the songs might sound (R Kelly did the same thing when he wrote songs for MJ).

It's a ****ing disgrace what they did. Fans did not overact. The worlds largest record company got an impersonator to imitate the worlds biggest pop star and tried to pass it off as the real deal. It sounds like the work of a deluded conspiracy theorist, but it actually happened. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Honestly, I will sometimes be watching/listening to Michael and having a good time, and then I think of these songs and what has been done and I feel SO sad :(
 
MattyJam;3986683 said:
The worst part is, I honestly don't even believe MJ had anything to do with these songs. There is 0% chance it's him singing and I don't even believe he wrote them or was even working on them. I think that perhaps the Cascios worked on these songs with the idea/hope of MJ collaborating on them and it obviously never came to fruition. They probably even got an MJ soundalike in before he died, so they could show Michael how the songs might sound (R Kelly did the same thing when he wrote songs for MJ).

It's a ****ing disgrace what they did. Fans did not overact. The worlds largest record company got an impersonator to imitate the worlds biggest pop star and tried to pass it off as the real deal. It sounds like the work of a deluded conspiracy theorist, but it actually happened. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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It doesn't sound deluded, this kind of thing actually happen. Not long ago after two or three decades of career a singer confessed that he was not singing on the majority of his album. Check this out:


In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of "Ça plane pour moi," on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. "Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of 'Ça plane pour moi' is Lou Deprijck's voice," stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Bertrand#Legal_issues
 
BUMPER SNIPPET;3986687 said:
It doesn't sound deluded, this kind of thing actually happen. Not long ago after two or three decades of career a singer confessed that he was not singing on the majority of his album. Check this out:


In 2010, an expert appointed by a court stated that the voice of Lou Deprijck, the composer/producer of "Ça plane pour moi," on a record from 2006 is the same voice as on the original 1977 recording. "Today it appears from the report of the experts that the voice of 'Ça plane pour moi' is Lou Deprijck's voice," stated the newspaper La Dernière Heure on Monday, 26 July 2010. Plastic Bertrand previously disputed the allegation, but on 28 July 2010 the singer finally revealed that he is indeed not the singer of any of the songs in the first four albums released under the name Plastic Bertrand.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_Bertrand#Legal_issues
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Yes, but that's some random person no-ones heard of. This is Michael Jackson we're talking about here. He has the most famous singing voice in the world.... how on earth they thought they were going to get away with it is beyond me.

Or perhaps the estate knew exactly what they were doing all along. I mean, Michael was a 10 track album and by including one remix and three fake songs, they only had to use six legitimate MJ outtakes for the record, leaving more songs to be used for future projects. The estate are obviously very concerned about spreading his unreleased work out as thinly as possible, that's why we're getting an eight track album this time round.
 
MattyJam said:
Yes, but that's some random person no-ones heard of. This is Michael Jackson we're talking about here. He has the most famous singing voice in the world.... how on earth they thought they were going to get away with it is beyond me.

Or perhaps the estate knew exactly what they were doing all along. I mean, Michael was a 10 track album and by including one remix and three fake songs, they only had to use six legitimate MJ outtakes for the record, leaving more songs to be used for future projects. The estate are obviously very concerned about spreading his unreleased work out as thinly as possible, that's why we're getting an eight track album this time round.
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He's not that random. He's a celebrity too. Of course I am not comparing him to MJ, all I am saying is that suspecting an imposter is not delusional.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
In MJ's own words, he litterally writes and records around 120 songs fore EACH album. I wonder where all his songs have gone.
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Michael never said he recorded around 120 songs per album; he said he wrote that many.

In any case, that was a major exaggeration. It would be more accurate to say that he worked on around 120 songs per album, given that he often revisited songs from earlier sessions.

MattyJam said:
Or perhaps the estate knew exactly what they were doing all along. I mean, Michael was a 10 track album and by including one remix and three fake songs, they only had to use six legitimate MJ outtakes for the record, leaving more songs to be used for future projects. The estate are obviously very concerned about spreading his unreleased work out as thinly as possible, that's why we're getting an eight track album this time round.
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When the songs were bought, Branca was ecstatic that they had twelve new completed recordings from as recent as 2007. He was deafened by the idea of having more post-trial tracks, which they are majorly lacking for numerous reasons. He genuinely believed the songs were Michael when the album was put together, and he continues to uphold that belief today. Whether or not his opinion changed and he's trying to save face by saying it didn't is unknown.

They don't have any solid evidence (i.e., admissions from those involved in the production of the songs) that the songs are fake. Of course everyone is convinced they are, but as far as court evidence goes, they had nothing when the songs were released and they have just as much today.
 
MattyJam said:
The worst part is, honestly don't even believe MJ had anything to do with these songs. There is 0% chance it's him singing and I don't even believe he wrote them or was even working on them. I think that perhaps the Cascios worked on these songs with the idea/hope of MJ collaborating on them and it obviously never came to fruition. They probably even got an MJ soundalike in before he died, so they could show Michael how the songs might sound (R Kelly did the same thing when he wrote songs for MJ).

It's a ****ing disgrace what they did. Fans did not overact. The worlds largest record company got an impersonator to imitate the worlds biggest pop star and tried to pass it off as the real deal. It sounds like the work of a deluded conspiracy theorist, but it actually happened. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Yea, I always figured that's exactly how it went down. I doubt Michael had any form of participation with these songs. I certainly don't believe he sang them, and I seriously doubt he even had a hand in writing them, other then the real writers, using certain lyrics and themes from his past songs. With that said, I just don't see what was going through Eddie & Co's mind, that led them from point A, making the songs in hopes that Michael liked them and worked on them, to point B, passing them off as legit Michael Jackson songs. That part will always confuse me a bit.
 
WhoIsIt89;3987253 said:
Yea, I always figured that's exactly how it went down. I doubt Michael had any form of participation with these songs. I certainly don't believe he sang them, and I seriously doubt he even had a hand in writing them, other then the real writers, using certain lyrics and themes from his past songs. With that said, I just don't see what was going through Eddie & Co's mind, that led them from point A, making the songs in hopes that Michael liked them and worked on them, to point B, passing them off as legit Michael Jackson songs. That part will always confuse me a bit.
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Simple: profit, money, fame, promising résumé. I don't see any other reasons.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Michael never said he recorded around 120 songs per album; he said he wrote that many.

In any case, that was a major exaggeration. It would be more accurate to say that he worked on around 120 songs per album, given that he often revisited songs from earlier sessions.



When the songs were bought, Branca was ecstatic that they had twelve new completed recordings from as recent as 2007. He was deafened by the idea of having more post-trial tracks, which they are majorly lacking for numerous reasons. He genuinely believed the songs were Michael when the album was put together, and he continues to uphold that belief today. Whether or not his opinion changed and he's trying to save face by saying it didn't is unknown.

They don't have any solid evidence (i.e., admissions from those involved in the production of the songs) that the songs are fake. Of course everyone is convinced they are, but as far as court evidence goes, they had nothing when the songs were released and they have just as much today.
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This is still being used as an excuse to clear the Estate's name from this act. When in reality, the bigger issue is, they don't have any amount of solid evidence that proves the songs are real. Zilch, nada, zero, nothing...
 
Thanks the whole Cascio things lots of fans are now saying that the entire Michael album is fake.
 
WhoIsIt89 said:
This is still being used as an excuse to clear the Estate's name from this act. When in reality, the bigger issue is, they don't have any amount of solid evidence that proves the songs are real. Zilch, nada, zero, nothing...
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They don't have evidence either way. They have the master recordings of all twelve songs, as well as opinions and personal feelings from those involved. That doesn't prove they are real, and it doesn't prove they are fake. As I've said, the argument that "most people think they aren't real" isn't going to hold up in a court atmosphere, and isn't grounds for removal from the catalog. They need HARD EVIDENCE that they are fake, not just opinions. I want them removed too, trust me, but I'm being fully logical.

The estate has no evidence that the songs are fake. They also have no evidence that the songs are real. That's essentially the point I'm trying to get across.

analogue said:
Thanks the whole Cascio things lots of fans are now saying that the entire Michael album is fake.
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I've never heard anyone accuse the entire album of being fraudulent. In any case, I have spoken to fans who were dead set that Best of Joy and Hollywood Tonight were fake, which is utterly ridiculous to me.
 
So I was wondering, Jason supposedly admitted it was him on the tracks on facebook, was that a real account? Was it him, or was his account hacked or something? I'm sure this has already been answered but this is a very large thread :D
 
SmoothGangsta said:
So I was wondering, Jason supposedly admitted it was him on the tracks on facebook, was that a real account? Was it him, or was his account hacked or something? I'm sure this has already been answered but this is a very large thread :D
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His real account. He then claimed it was hacked.
 
Haven't been in this thread for a while so I haven't read most of the posts in here, but I do have a quick question for everyone..

I firmly believe that the vocals on the Cascio tracks are NOT those of MJ but most likely JM..

However, I've still not deleted the tracks from my iphone.. They are still in the album for "Michael" not because I like them or listen to them, but I just wanted the album to feel complete with the full track list of released songs..

But I think I'm ready to finally delete them.. Never liked KYHU and still remember when the original leaked with the cut and pasted vocals from Earth Song, then suddenly the official version didn't have those.. Haha!

As for Monster, it just seemed like such a cheap song in the first place, and 50's rap want even that great although I was excited to hear it the first few times.. And the vocals were clearly off..

Now as for Breaking News, I'm not gonna lie I kinda liked that song and even listened to it quite often the first week it was released.. I liked the beat and it did sound like a song MJ would maybe do (thematically speaking).. But I knew right away it wasn't MJ.. Still I almost wanted it to be just because I enjoyed the song so much at first.. And I could vividly picture a music video for it in my head every time I heard it..

Anyways.. In rambling now.. All I'm trying to say is that is it weird if I still haven't removed the songs from the album playlist in my phone yet? I think I will
 
So in 4 years has Jason Malachi not been interviewed and asked directly the question?

Also does the Estate/Sony know they are fake songs and want to know the truth and would take the Cascio's to court if they had proof? Or do they not know / not bothered or embarrassed and want to just forget about it?
 
SkyWalk said:
So in 4 years has Jason Malachi not been interviewed and asked directly the question?

Also does the Estate/Sony know they are fake songs and want to know the truth and would take the Cascio's to court if they had proof? Or do they not know / not bothered or embarrassed and want to just forget about it?
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I think Jason just kinda disappeared until recently when some new song snippets from him leaked. Other people in this thread can probably answer better. I would like to think if they had proof they would do something about it, I think people at Sony definitely think they're fake.
 
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Don't the Estate/Sony own the songs? Or do the Cascio's still own them? I'm not sure how it works but if the Estate/Sony own the songs can they not just take them off MJ's discography?

Perfect scenario would be Estate/Sony take the songs off MJ's discography makes a formal apology that they made a mistake in releasing those songs and re-release Michael album replacing those songs!!!!!

We wish.
 
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SkyWalk said:
Don't the Estate/Sony own the songs? Or do the Cascio's still own them? I'm not sure how it works but if the Estate/Sony own the songs can they not just take them off MJ's discography?
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After having sold a million or two copies? Ummm not a good idea. They prefer forgetting all about them than re-create all the fuss again.
 
SkyWalk said:
Don't the Estate/Sony own the songs? Or do the Cascio's still own them? I'm not sure how it works but if the Estate/Sony own the songs can they not just take them off MJ's discography?
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They won't do that. They need proof they are fake. They can't just remove 3 songs with what seems like no valid reason to do so. Obviously them being fake is a damn good reason, but like I said there's no concrete evidence they're fake. It's easier for them to just forget about it
 
I here what your saying. But if I were The Estate and I knew the songs were fake I would simply take them off and give my reasons and apologies as to why - only of course there were no legal reason not to do so. Easier said then done I know.
 
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